Anyone else think?

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I started wondering...
and I've been a huge Andre Miller fan since he came to Denver a couple years back.
Anyways I was wondering, can this be a PG that will just get better with time?
just like Steve Nash.
I can almost see us signing miller for another 3-5 years.
I love Ty too, but I can still see Andre still running this team for a few years.

Discuss? maybe I'm crazy.
Maybe i think we can get a nice star for Ty. and keep Andre and help develop a different PG.

[Ice32]

Dre will be 39 when his 3 yr deal is up, I think he would retire then, but who knows. He is perfect for the bench PG role and locker room leader. Alot of fans don't appreciate the little things he does, they just look at his bad defense and FG%. I think he is HOF worthy when you consider how long he has played for and how many games he has missed (6 games), up there in assists. I would love to see him finish his career in Denver and hopefully win a Championship.

[Maf]

I can't see Miller starting, playing 35 minutes and chasing Westbrooks, Parkers, Rondos... of the league. But I love him as our back up. His lob passes are great. But most I like when Andre goes posting up. That's what kids should be watching.

[RRFB]

I don't think it's a bad idea. Our offense seems to run smoother (especially in the half-court) with Andre at the point, and it would probably get Karl to finally start McGee. If we're able to package Lawson and Faried for an elite big man like Aldridge or Kevin Love, I'd probably pull the trigger.

There's no doubt that Lawson has been a major disappointment so far this season. His constant turnovers in the clutch have crippled our chances in numerous close games, and every game we play, it becomes more apparent that he doesn't have the mentality to take that next step that we all were hoping for.

I love Lawson and I hope/think he will eventually break out of this funk, but our front office has to be second guessing that contract right now. And given our track record of trading players that recently signed extensions, I'm sure Masai has at least put some thought into it.

[pickIBL]

With the way the new CBA works I think more and more teams are going to be rewarded for "smart" building and having cores that stick together. So less and less do I think about big trades for the Nuggets. If anything right now the team needs to just keep growing from within and focus on player development.

I would be fine with Miller sticking around with the Nuggets as long as he can play like this. 25 minutes a night is really the max his is good for chasing these speedsters around. The true art of playing contending basketball is to be able to play at all paces. Right now Ty Lawson has only one gear and he is not great at getting the team to execute in the 1/2 court.

If we move Lawson I think it really sets us back as the core (Gallinari, Lawson, Faried, McGee) needs to remain together and improve every season.

While everyone is trashing the upcoming draft I hope the FO is doing their homework because there are moves to be made.

Iguodala is going to be wanting a big payday and I'm not so sure the Nuggets should give it to him. I also expect that at some point they will try and move Wilson Chandler.

I don't think we need to trade for a big name or anything. The right moves in this draft coming up could be nice for us long-term.

First Michael Carter-Williams at PG for Syracuse should be high on the radar. I think he will wind up in the top ten when it comes draft day. Poythress for Kentucky has looked really good on the wing. And I happen to also really like Alex Len playing his first full year for Maryland. Adding those type of names is what makes sense for Denver long term.

Sergey Karasev is another name to watch out for from Russia. He is way more ready to go than Fournier. Judging by what the Nuggets saw in him it is a safe bet that they like Karasev.

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I think with how the season is going, i think it's possible to trade Lawson, Gallinari, Mozgov, and Wilson Chandler.
for either draft picks, cap space, or a star or 2 to rent for the season. And the reason i started this thread because i think andre miller will just get better with age. I can still see him running this team at his age even if we have to sacrifice his defense, the suns did it with nash, and i can assure you andre's d is better than nash's.

[pickIBL]

Ah yes basketball stars age like a fine wine. Let's just waive Gallinari and Lawson and give Andre Miller the deal Magic got with the lakers... a 25 year deal. With a spot open thanks to waiving Gallinari we could sign Alex English.

[scottcarman]

I think the Nuggets are just waiting to try and swing a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1. I think there are a few players that could become available over the next 1.5 years and the Nuggets could put together a competitive offer. I think we have to hope that Wilson Chandler starts showing positive signs. His value will remain low if he can't demonstrate that he is back. It also makes any Gallinari trade risky.

perhaps:
Lawson/McGee for Deron Williams
Faried/Gallinari for Kevin Love
Iggy/Faried for LMA
Dre/McGee for Pau Gasol

Also, I hope the Nuggets are angry at their shooting against Portland. It's one thing to have an off night and another to have multiple record breaking futility. That was a winnable game and home court advantage might come down to a single game. If they aren't angry about that night then maybe they aren't the right players for this team.

[scottcarman]

I don't think anyone on the Nuggets is untouchable in trade either.

Here are my thoughts on trade value and value to the Nuggets from highest to lowest:
Gallinari - He is still young and advanced stats tend to show that the team plays better basketball with him on the court. He is the closest that the Nuggets have to a consistent go to guy, but in reality he is probably better suited as the third best player on the team. It's hard to tell if his inconsistency is partially due to having a lot of injuries. I would try to keep Gallo out of any trades, but would trade him for a star.

Faried - He drives me crazy and I am not in love with him like most of this board. Even though he definitely produces, so does his opposing player. His contract is insanely reasonable for several more years. It would shock almost everyone if he is not a solid contributor in this league for a long time, and he has a high probability of becoming an all star.

Iggy - I love his all around game. He shuts his opposing player down and the team plays better when he is on the court. He reminds me of Scottie Pippen. He is the glue guy that can be the second best player on a championship team.

Lawson - a young pg that will probably always be above average but not great. PG's can show a lot of improvement in their first few years as they learn, but Lawson has been in the league for a while now and he either needs to make that jump to be a top 5 PG, or the Nuggets need to accept that he will always probably be slightly above average.

Koufos- Love his contract. Love his defense. The team plays better with him on the court. He is one of the foundation pieces that every good team needs.

McGee - McGee is similar to Faried in that he puts up great numbers but his opposing player usually does also. McGee loses value because he should be playing more based on the value of his contract, but George won't let a guy that continually makes mental errors turn this into a circus. He could have significant trade value for teams needing a C.

Brewer - Having a great year, suited best as a 7th or 8th man that can change games based on intensity and defense. Exp, cheap contract for a useful player. Could be used as filler with slight positive value to make trades work.

Mozgov - Proven in international and NBA that he can be a solid backup center in the NBA. He just doesn't get any minutes behind Koufos, McGee, Faried. Teams needing bulk and a backup center could use him.

Chandler has no value until he can play, JHam, Fournier, QMiller don't have any real value and are seen as end of bench type guys, but I like their potential.

[pickIBL]

Jordan Hamilton definitely has trade value. I can see plenty of struggling teams out there looking for someone cheap that can score the ball and develop as part of a young core.

I've always been a proponent of buying low and selling high. The ideal time to trade a guy is when he is playing above his head. Right now the trade value of Demarcus Cousins is in the crapper. I've watched the NBA long enough to know there is nothing about Cousins that really scares me away from him. We've had players on the Nuggets that have done horrible things. Cousins brings a skill set you just can't find in the NBA, he's cheap, and he's young. There is no reason for the Nuggets not to ask about him.

[scottcarman]

I'm not buying that Hamilton has value to anyone except Nuggets fans impressions of him. I agree that he appears to have talent and he seems to have taken Karl's often up front approach with rookies in stride. From most of the reports that I have heard he dedicated himself this summer and realizes that his defense IQ needs to get better. He seems to be putting in the work. But who really knows.

But to other fans around the league, they see him as a SG that can't get minutes despite the Nuggets desperately needing shooting which is supposedly his specialty. I put him at 8th or 9th most valuable on the Nuggets team even when I include his rookie contract. I see him as contract filler at best, but his contract is so small that it doesn't really even provide much use for that. He is the most valuable to the Nuggets and I think the potential to develop him in house would be far more beneficial.

You are probably a Karl hater also and will claim that his PER is actually darn good and he deserves minutes. This is true, but PER is only part of the story. His opposing players usually produces an even higher PER and the team has player worse when he is in the game then when he is not.

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My point exactly...Andre Miller starting, and killing it at 73 years old.