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Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:08 am**

Simmons and Lowe recently said this on Grantland....

Wait, we're done? I guess we're done. An Iguodala/Timofey Mozgov package from Denver makes the most sense; the Nuggets could easily replace Iguodala's minutes with Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari, and Gasol would fit in pretty nicely with everything Denver is doing. Lawson, Chandler, Gallinari, Faried and Gasol at crunch time? Yikes. For the Lakers, Iguodala solves the "Who's guarding [fill in the best perimeter player]?" issue, allows them to play smaller, gives them some much-needed speed and sets up a dramatic "Who can make a more absurd underbite face after a big shot?" contest between Kobe and Iggy. Everyone wins. Why can't that trade happen, Zach Lowe?

Lowe: It could. You can bet Denver has thought about it, and they clearly need another consistent big man. That's why I called them my favorite unlikely Josh Smith destination. Gasol for Chandler/Iggy would also save them a bit of money, both this year and next, and that matters to the Nuggets. Denver has had a lot of roster turnover in the last couple of years, and they'd probably prefer to cool off a bit and let these guys develop. But stick another competent big man here, and this team could be really, really dangerous. Dropping Iguodala would really hurt them defensively, though. It's an interesting proposition, but unless Denver sees something more from Gasol in the next few weeks, they'd be wary. And Iggy doesn't solve the Lakers' perimeter shooting issues, though he could take minutes from Clark/Jamison.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8872264/lakers

I'm actually for this deal...but not one with Iggy/Chandler. The Nuggets don't have a post-up big man right now but they had one in Nene for several years and I don't think the adjustment would be too difficult. Gasol would help a lot in the half court and the teams free throw shooting, hell he'd be one of the teams better shooters. I still think we could push the pace with him, just make sure his usual spot is in the paint, where he belongs.

He's under contract this year and next at 19 mil, not far off the 17ish mil Iggy gets in that time frame.

Agree or Disagree?

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:44 am**

I could see Iggy and Mozgov, but I agree you cannot do Iggy and Chandler.

I still want them to find an outside shooter that Karl is going to play though.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:31 pm**

After last nights display of perimeter D with iggy,chandler,gallo in the lineup together I dont want anything to do with this. I would rather us just move mozgov for a 3 point shooter and see where this team goes this year.

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:52 pm**

Agreed

I don't do this because our bigs are fine

Bring in a shooter and fix the wings then see if we do this trade

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:07 pm**

is very bad thing get Gasol. he is slow as a grandpa, and this team needs a constant player movement.

Are you sure that Gasol can bring us something better than Kostas-McGee or Mozgov?
Is softer than our centers on defense......

I can explore a trade who involves Iggy, McGee or Lawson, but never to get Gasol.

No way to trade Chandler. He showed us yesterday what he can do from the bench

Posted: **Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:34 pm**

Iggy might have a decent night or two with perimeter defense but he's far from the stopper some of you make him out to be. He wasn't even in the game to guard Durant at the end. Gasol is a top 5 big-man, Iggy isn't even a top 10 SG.

Gasol's post game is better than all three of our current centers combined.

Hamilton, Fournier and Brewer could cover the minutes at the 2...Miller normally closes out games anyways.

Trading Moz for a shooter won't net you a better player than Hamilton....therefore he won't play.

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:52 pm**

I disagree with your hole post basically. Gasol WAS a top 5 big man, now he's a bench scrub on a sub .500 team making 19 million dollars a year who moves super slow, doesn't sound real appealing to me, he was sucking before howard came back from injury too. When has karl ever relied heavy on a post game from any of his teams any way? I also disagree with your post about hamilton being better than whoever we get back therefore he won't play, have you seen how much karl plays veteran players? You can't tell me if we got back a jj redick or anthony morrow that he wouldn't get more minutes than hamilton right away. Don't get me wrong I think hamilton will be a good player but your whole post isn't taking account for the head coach of this team. I'm all for trading iggy, just after the season is over and not for gasoll, I want to see what this team can do for the whole year before we make more major moves.

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:39 pm**

Would you guys do a Wallace/Humpries plus a first for Iggy/Mozy?

Team Brooklyn FYI...

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:04 pm**

I've been a bit hard on Pau Gasol in past posts but I don't think some posts above are exactly accurate. Gasol hasn't aged that much in just a few months. Gasol also does have a decent history of staying healthy. All the drama and the fact that they have no clue how to use Gasol has lowered his value.

If Gasol joined the Nuggets he would start at the 5. This would mean less minutes for Koufos/McGee and probably would lead to a trade over the summer. Come playoff time is when Gasol's presence could really benefit the Nuggets. The Nuggets need to learn to execute in the 1/2 court... and Gasol's post game would be a big help to the Nuggets. He is also a good passer. I would be against sending Chandler but Iggy/Moz is worth a discussion.

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:05 pm**

CalamityX12 wrote:Would you guys do a Wallace/Humpries plus a first for Iggy/Mozy?

Team Brooklyn FYI...

I would laugh the Nets off the phone, both Nets players are significantly overpaid and underperforming, with Wallace having a long term contract, and you want a guy one year removed from being an all star and an expiring? Also a pick that cannot even be sent until 2016 is of very little interest to me at this point.

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:20 pm**

The Rebel wrote:
CalamityX12 wrote:Would you guys do a Wallace/Humpries plus a first for Iggy/Mozy?

Team Brooklyn FYI...

I would laugh the Nets off the phone, both Nets players are significantly overpaid and underperforming, with Wallace having a long term contract, and you want a guy one year removed from being an all star and an expiring? Also a pick that cannot even be sent until 2016 is of very little interest to me at this point.

little interest?

how about now!

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:05 am**

patrol345 wrote:You can't tell me if we got back a jj redick or anthony morrow that he wouldn't get more minutes than hamilton right away. Don't get me wrong I think hamilton will be a good player but your whole post isn't taking account for the head coach of this team.

I disagree. I don't think Karl is going to hand over minutes to a guy like Redick or Morrow or Courtney Lee. If he was willing play just any three point shooter, Hamilton wouldn't be rotting on the bench right now.

Someone I could be interested in is Jason Terry. I've always hated the guy but he's struggling in Boston and could probably be had for pretty cheap. I think Karl would actually play him and I could see him being effective for 10-15 minutes a night off the bench. I wouldn't trade anything more than Mozgov for him though.

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:41 am**

RRFB wrote:
patrol345 wrote:You can't tell me if we got back a jj redick or anthony morrow that he wouldn't get more minutes than hamilton right away. Don't get me wrong I think hamilton will be a good player but your whole post isn't taking account for the head coach of this team.

I disagree. I don't think Karl is going to hand over minutes to a guy like Redick or Morrow or Courtney Lee. If he was willing play just any three point shooter, Hamilton wouldn't be rotting on the bench right now.

Someone I could be interested in is Jason Terry. I've always hated the guy but he's struggling in Boston and could probably be had for pretty cheap. I think Karl would actually play him and I could see him being effective for 10-15 minutes a night off the bench. I wouldn't trade anything more than Mozgov for him though.

Courtney lee and Redick are actually solid if not good defenders, where you got that they weren't I don't know. Morrow though I don't see ever getting off the bench. As for Terry, he was pretty much done last year, he has been pretty terrible this year, and his defense has never been good. Given his contract I would not give up crap for him.

for comparison on defense from my synergy sports which uses game video to study each possession and comparing them to Corey Brewer who we know can get minutes due to his defense and hustle.
http://www.mysynergysports.com/
Corey Brewer gives up .85 ppp and .68 ppp in isolation

Courtney Lee gives up .83 ppp and .66 ppp in isolation,
JJ Redick gives up .86 ppp and .61 ppp in isolation
Jason Terry gives up .95 ppp and .77 ppp in isolation
Morrow is the same as Terry giving up .95 ppp and .77 ppp in isolation

In your list I can see both Lee and Redick getting minutes, they are relatively the same as Brewer defensively but both bring a ton to the offense with their outside shooting, Morrow and Terry are only slightly better then Fournier at the moment, meaning they would probably struggle to get on the court at all. Out of all of them I gladly would take lee even with the down year on both ends that he has had so far, Redick would be my 2nd choice, but I could see the case for him being the better option. The other 2 can stay where they are if you ask me.

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:33 am**

patrol345 wrote:I disagree with your hole post basically. Gasol WAS a top 5 big man, now he's a bench scrub on a sub .500 team making 19 million dollars a year who moves super slow, doesn't sound real appealing to me, he was sucking before howard came back from injury too. When has karl ever relied heavy on a post game from any of his teams any way? I also disagree with your post about hamilton being better than whoever we get back therefore he won't play, have you seen how much karl plays veteran players? You can't tell me if we got back a jj redick or anthony morrow that he wouldn't get more minutes than hamilton right away. Don't get me wrong I think hamilton will be a good player but your whole post isn't taking account for the head coach of this team. I'm all for trading iggy, just after the season is over and not for gasoll, I want to see what this team can do for the whole year before we make more major moves.

I'm not going to debate you about Gasol right now, i'm going to go at the Hamilton comment....

Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying and/or you're mixing things up. A counter to my proposed trade was to just trade Mozgov for a shooter, I said that any shooter we got for Mozgov (only) wouldn't play because they wouldn't be better than Hamilton. Do you think that Mozgov alone would net JJ or Morrow? If you gave me the choice between adding Gasol or JJ i'd take JJ but it's not that simple. Mozgov will probably get traded...but he alone will not bring back anyone that GK would add into the rotation, the rotation is set unless a rotation player is traded.

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:48 am**

i'd do the iggy/moz for pau deal if i knew gasol was gonna come here with something to prove, a chip on his shoulder for being benched/shunned in LA...etc. even if he's too old to be an all-star type anymore, he can still be a big impact player in the right situation if his hearts in it.

but i don't have a crystal ball, and i'm betting he wouldn't have that drive. or it wouldn't be for long.

(and he has a 15% trade kicker, so he'd be getting paid ~21 million)

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:56 pm**

The way I look at it is if we can't get out of the first round with this talent this year... then I say it is time for George Karl to move on. If we do a big blockbuster deal right now Karl will be able to point to all the moves from the Melo trade on as excuses. But in theory against OKC, SanAn, & Memphis adding Pau Gasol helps us in a series.

Karl already has the illness card that makes it harder to fire him. Add another trade and he has another excuse. Replace Karl with a double headed coaching monster like Skiles and David Blatt as the head assistant and let's see what they can get out of this roster next year.

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:33 pm**

Out of curiosity, would anyone here be happy with Steve Novak for Mozgov?

Posted: **Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:06 pm**

Doubt that since the last position Denver needs is SF, one that has 4 years on his contract

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