Brewer question

[scottcarman]

Why do so many fans just assume that we won't sign him next year. I think it is very likely that we could sign him and work it under the luxury tax. I think he has been a pretty valuable part of the team and I would like him back if we can get him. I think the Nuggets should basically offer right up to the expected tax threshold in order to keep him.

Mozgov on the other hand, has not been an active part of the team so I can accept that he may leave in free agency.

[eathb_au]

Because we can do so much better.

And if we're going to have someone come off the bench and shoot as much as Melo, then we might as well get someone who is actually good offensively

[The Rebel]

To resign Brewer without any trades and stay under the tax that means you have to draft a big, resign Stone to be the 3rd PG, and then get him to take a 50% paycut despite him having by far the best season of his career.


Does that sound reasonable to you?

[DaFan334]

I could see Karl making a big push for him to be brought back, but it will be tough with Hamilton, Fournier, and maybe Miller pushing for minutes and the Luxury Tax hanging over the teams head. From what I saw from The Association with the Denver Nuggets TV Show last year, Karl seemed to love Corey's hustle and play to the extent that at one point in time he called Brewer the heart of the team. His hustle is definitely infectious and he tends to really push the fast break. He may get a bit of heat from some fans for his poor shooting, but he has made some huge shots and been pretty solid from some spots on the floor (40+% from the left corner). He could definitely limit his shots and have better selection. I think a lot of his return will probably have to do with if Iguadala stays or leaves.

[Ice32]

To be honest, I think CBrew is gonna take the best offer he gets - but maybe Masai has a plan? Brewer seems to like Denver, he's got a role here, GK loves him, and he will get 20-25 mins guaranteed. But Iggy's decision plays a role in Brewers future here.

But maybe there is a team out there that could use his talent and offer him more money? But how many systems are there similar to Denver's that Brewer would flourish in? He has worked on his game alot, he seems to be knocking down the corner three with confidence and his top of the key jumper has improved. If he cuts down his three point attempts and works on his mid-range game (coming off screens and shooting 15 footers) then he is valuable to any club.

Teams that come to mind are:

Houston - plenty of money and need a defensive SF
Atlanta - lots of money and reunited with Horford
San Antonio - Popovich could turn Brewer into a Bruce Bowen type
Jazz, NOLA, Cavs, Pistons, Clippers all have plenty of salary cap.

[scottcarman]

Let’s look at the basics for next year:
10 guys on contract (McGee, Gallo, Chandler, Dre Miller, Koufos, Lawson, AR, Fournier, Faried, Hamilton) (51.9 Million)
Iggy has player option at 15.9 but there has been some discussion about him taking an extension for less ~12M/year – 67.8 M
Stone QO of 1 Million – 68.8 Million

Mozgov and Brewer capholds
QMiller – sign for league min?
2 picks this year.

So if Iggy decides to resign for 3/36 and Stone resigns for QO. Then the Nuggets would have 12 players at 64.9. Luxury tax around 70-72M. It seems like there could potentially be 4-5M for either Mozgov or Brewer in Sign and Trades or just as extensions. You also are assuming that there aren’t any trades that would result in a few million savings. It’s just my opinion that Brewer has been valuable for this team, and his cost is well worth his production.

[The Rebel]

Let’s look at the basics for next year:
10 guys on contract (McGee, Gallo, Chandler, Dre Miller, Koufos, Lawson, AR, Fournier, Faried, Hamilton) (51.9 Million)
Iggy has player option at 15.9 but there has been some discussion about him taking an extension for less ~12M/year – 67.8 M
Stone QO of 1 Million – 68.8 Million

Mozgov and Brewer capholds
QMiller – sign for league min?
2 picks this year.

So if Iggy decides to resign for 3/36 and Stone resigns for QO. Then the Nuggets would have 12 players at 64.9. Luxury tax around 70-72M. It seems like there could potentially be 4-5M for either Mozgov or Brewer in Sign and Trades or just as extensions. You also are assuming that there aren’t any trades that would result in a few million savings. It’s just my opinion that Brewer has been valuable for this team, and his cost is well worth his production.

I said up front based on no trades and staying under the tax. AS for your assumptions here.

Q. Miller is already under contract for a 2nd year minimum deal paying. Given his current production in the D-league I doubt they cut him this year, meaning he has a contract for just $788,000 or so.

I am not so sure that Iggy opts out, and if he does I am also not so sure that he is going to take a $12 million a year deal for 3 years, reading other teams boards fans seem to think he is going to be their teams number 1 free agent target meaning if he opts out it could easily be a bidding war resulting in a longer deal that probably pays more then $12 million per year.

On the 1st round pick the cap hold is going to be somewhere around a million a year or so.

Meaning you are dependent on Iggy opting out of a very large payout to resign for what will probably be less then market value, in order to sign a guy to a multi-million dollar contract that is realistically projecting to be fighting for the 8th or 9th spot in the rotation.

Now if the plan is to trade one of Gallo, Chandler, or Iggy or if Iggy opts out and leaves, then looking at resigning Brewer makes sense. Without one of those happening you have 6 other guys on the roster that are naturally sg/sfs including 2 1st round drafts picks taken in the last 2 drafts, not to mention a 2nd round pick that was projected to be a 1st round pick last year, all of which have shown some kind of potential and bring something different to the team. Depth is nice, but spending a bunch of money for more depth in your strongest position while ignoring other needs is not a good way to go about things, you have already had 3 guys in the last few months bitch about lack of playing time, how long do you want to deal with that kind of stuff?

Now truthfully what I would like to see happen is to trade some combo of Faried, A. Miller, and one of Gallo, Chandler, or Iggy for a big upgrade at PF and a young quality backup PG, and then you can resign Brewer as your 6th man off the bench and start the other two of top 3 sg/sfs, with Hamilton, Fournier, and Q. Miller fighting for that 9th man type role off the bench, with the idea that maybe in the next couple of years they can either replace Brewer or put the team in the position to trade one of the 2 starters.

[The Rebel]

Anybody still think that the Nuggets should resign Brewer for what will probably be close to the MLE, with the way Fournier looked tonight. The Nuggets have some young talent at the 2 and 3, maybe time to get them some minutes and let them develop.

[eathb_au]

Absolutely not. Kyle Korver, OJ Mayo (unrealistic) and Martell Webster would be my offseason targets but even if we cannot land any of them, I would rather let Hmilton/Fournier fight for the last rotation spot than re-sign Brew.

It's not his talent, it's that this team can and needs to cover up its flaws.

On a side note, I would be ok with keeping Brewer if Andre Miller was traded for another backup PG that's a good shooter.

[scottcarman]

Of course I still want Brewer. He has been an above average player playing critical minutes and we are only paying him 3Mill. Or would you ask this same question when he scored 6 pts in the last 14 seconds to single handedly win that game? Seems like selective memory. No, he is not the best player in the league, but has filled his role admirably, and he isn't paid much.

[pickIBL]

I'm not on board with bringing brewer back & if the FO did it I would consider that to be a real head scratcher. First we have two young wings of our own. That and we have some DPs... I'd rather just draft Karasev or sign Sonny Weems for a lot less.

But I'd much rather see the FO focus on moving McGee. The best off season move would be to ship McGee to Golden State and send a 1st rounder to Utah for the rights to Ante Tomic. That would be brilliant IMO.

[RRFB]

Brewer is far more important to this team than people here like to admit, kind of like Harrington last season. I'd be okay with bringing him back on a cheap contract around 3yr/10mil. He's is in the perfect situation here, I can't imagine him being nearly as productive on any other team in the league, so I think he'd be willing to take less money to stay here. Ultimately, I'd like Karl to get his minutes down to somewhere around 15 per game but he's still a great fit either way and I wouldn't mind having him back for the right price.

[The Rebel]

Of course I still want Brewer. He has been an above average player playing critical minutes and we are only paying him 3Mill. Or would you ask this same question when he scored 6 pts in the last 14 seconds to single handedly win that game? Seems like selective memory. No, he is not the best player in the league, but has filled his role admirably, and he isn't paid much.

Selective memory and you bring up one game?

What about those games he had o fers?

You want to have an honest discussion let's do it.

Brewer's stats for the season.
In 24 mpg played he averages 11.7 ppg on 42.9% shooting with 29.5 from 3, 2.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.4 steals, and 1.2 turnovers per game. I don't see much remarkable with that.

With advanced stats
he puts up
TS% of .506 which is considerably below league average.
a usage of 23.3% meaning he uses more possessions when he is on the court then any other Nugget that gets regular playing time.
his ORTG is 12th on the team, only 3 guys on the team are worse on that end.
his DRTG is 8th on the team.
his win share percentage is 11th at .092, .1 means the team is breaking even with him on the court.
the offense is 2.5 points per 100 possessions worse with him on the court.
The defense is 1.2 points per 100 possessions worse with him on the court.
his simple rating is -0.9 which means he is a net negative for the team.
6 of the 7 top lineups for the Nuggets that have below a 50% win percentage include Brewer.

So please tell me how that one game makes up for the fact that the team is worse when he is on the court for both ends, even with all his cherry picking run outs, his advanced show that he is a below average player, and he is going to want an extension that is probably going to be for more money and more years then they should be willing to spend considering the picks they have used for young players they need to develop.

[The Rebel]

Brewer is far more important to this team than people here like to admit, kind of like Harrington last season. I'd be okay with bringing him back on a cheap contract around 3yr/10mil. He's is in the perfect situation here, I can't imagine him being nearly as productive on any other team in the league, so I think he'd be willing to take less money to stay here. Ultimately, I'd like Karl to get his minutes down to somewhere around 15 per game but he's still a great fit either way and I wouldn't mind having him back for the right price.

Why would a guy who is going to be 27 next season take less money and less years to stay with a team like the nuggets? It is not as if he is going to get another large contract at 30 that will allow him to make up the money, more then likely when he starts losing his athleticism he will be out of the league as he does not have a ton of ball handling or shooting skills and so he will be of little use to a team after that.

Also the Harrington comparison is not the same. Harrington was a much better scorer, he was also a net positive on the floor with the offense and defense both being better with Harrington on the court then off. Harrington was underrated, Brewer is overrated by some.

[RRFB]

Because he clearly likes playing here and would prefer to stay. There's no better situation for him in the NBA than the one in Denver. He has a coach that loves him (almost to a fault) and a system that highlights his strengths. Obviously if he gets an offer from another team that blows ours out of the water (which doesn't seem likely), he's going to take it. But I don't think it's a stretch at all to think he would turn down a couple extra million dollars to stay here.

Don't get me wrong, if we can get a guy like Korver instead, I'd be all over it. But bringing Brewer back on a reasonable contract isn't the worst thing that could happen.

[corona]

i think he's fantastic at upping the pace and playing with contagious energy when the team's lacking it against sub .500 teams.

but his strengths as a player are mostly mitigated by good teams with smart players who scout him, know how to get back on defense, know not to get backcut, know to leave him open from 3, know how to give a passfake to get him out of position and beat him backdoor....etc. meaning his impact vs. charlotte in december isn't the same as his impact vs. san antonio in april.

if we got him for the contract he's on now, and karl played him situationally instead of with an infatuation...then it's good. but i'd give up his runout points and chaotic defense for a legit 40% three point shooter any day.

[The Rebel]

Because he clearly likes playing here and would prefer to stay. There's no better situation for him in the NBA than the one in Denver. He has a coach that loves him (almost to a fault) and a system that highlights his strengths. Obviously if he gets an offer from another team that blows ours out of the water (which doesn't seem likely), he's going to take it. But I don't think it's a stretch at all to think he would turn down a couple extra million dollars to stay here.

Don't get me wrong, if we can get a guy like Korver instead, I'd be all over it. But bringing Brewer back on a reasonable contract isn't the worst thing that could happen.

a couple of extra million when the guy has made $18.5 million is not easy to walk away from especially when you consider after taxes, and agent/management fees he has really only received about half of that which in NBA terms is not much money. $2 million even over 3 or 4 years is a ton of money when you are a bench guy like Brewer is, is more then enough to get him to change teams. Personally if he was going to sign for $2-2.5 million a year then I am okay with the Nuggets bringing him back as the 8th man, I just think he gets much closer to $4 or 5 million a year from a team desperate for a 6th man type of guy.

Here is a list of teams with more then MLE type money to spend this summer, Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Indiana, Milwaukee, minnesota, New Orleans, Philly, Phoenix, Portland, San Antonio, and Utah all have or can have more then the MLE to spend. Here are the teams with the full non taxpayer MLE to spend this summer Denver, Memphis, OKC, Orlando, Sacremento, Toronto, Washington. Meaning there are 22 teams with the full ability to pay guys like Brewer $5 million a year, out of that list I could see Atlanta, Cleveland, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Phlly, San Antonio, OKC, Memphis, Toronto, and Washington needing either a SF that can be the 4th or 5th starter type, or a 6th man. All it takes is 2 teams to want him more then everybody else and he is making $4-5 million a year.