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NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:23 am
by eathb_au
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Sunday, April 28, 7:30 PM (MST) - TV: TNT

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BENCH: Andre Miller, Corey Brewer, JaVale McGee, Kosta Koufos

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BENCH: Carl Landry, Draymond Green, Festus Ezeli

KEY MATCHUP:
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INJURY REPORT:
Denver: Gallinari - ACL
Golden State: Lee - Hip

I guess our games comes down to Andre Miller. How often can the Warriors expose his terrible defense? How many minutes will George Karl overplay Miller? How often will Miller kill the offense and decide to play hero ball and ignore other players? By all means the series isn't over, but the Warriors are big favorites to taking out the series now.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:05 am
by hcollantes
L.A.?

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:58 pm
by mcmurphy
I don't understand why George Karl doesn't start Lawson-Iguodala-Chandler-Faried-KK.

Immediately after the Gallo's injury GK start Miller-Iguodala-Chandler-Faried-KK and won with Houston and SAS. Also the bench is better for Fournier (less pressure on the rookie) and we could diminish the role of Miller.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:24 pm
by corona
i wonder why karl doesn't do a lot of things.

i wonder why when miller checks in the game, he's always picking up steph curry.....and then steph curry scores or miller requires so much help defense that the entire team starts scoring.

seriously. why would the teams slowest & worst defender ever be on other teams best scorer on purpose?

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:52 am
by manchambo
It's really hard to believe how terrible Igoudala can be at times. If there's one person this team should be able to rely on, it's him. So things get tough and he just starts throwing the ball away.

I really hope he opts out.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:55 am
by RRFB
Unbelievable. I wish this was the last game of the series so we didn't have to suffer through another game of this garbage.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:32 am
by The Rebel
Can someone tell me where the **** Fournier is? the Nuggets need his shooting desperately, and I would much rather have him guarding Curry or Thompson then either Miller or Brewer.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:37 am
by eathb_au
How does Karl not see Miller's deficiencies?

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:55 am
by dis4ryan
Not to pile it on but I want to apologize for defending Miller in game 1. He's cancer.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:26 am
by Powder Blue
I'm disgusted right now

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:29 am
by Teens On Acid
i don't know if i've ever felt so disappointed. Our play was horrible. just garbage. it LOOKS like they just don't care and aren't taking this series very seriously at all. We're here watching, we see the mistakes, surely the coaching staff can see the same things we do? make adjustments damn it. It still sickens me to watch George Karl let the opposing teams go on runs without calling time outs and making subs. going to need a miracle to get this to 7 games, but at this point, i don't believe the team as a whole deserves to win.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:27 am
by pickaxe
I just wonder ......ally oops, tip in boards, hustle play. ........that's what the team does, in addition to all the other run n gun stuff. Not that terrible perimeter defense or transition defense or turn the ball over then let them chuck a three defense .......isn't important.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:29 am
by pickaxe
If Koufos is playing no better than Mozgov did in regular season, why not run Mozzy and Koufos out there alternating and thus at least giving team more fresh energy?

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:30 am
by pickaxe
Or did the team stack up on bigs for no reason? I know Gallo's out, but that's why the team is stacked in bigs. At least make Bogut run into Mozzy a few times instead of making JaVale look like an exhausted Birdman.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:31 am
by pickaxe
Plus Mozzy hasn't been humiliated yet. Maybe he'll bring an added dimension of pissed-off-edness.

Couldn't be anymore ineffective, technically.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:15 am
by eathb_au
While I don't think Koufos is playing particularly well, he plays his best basketball next to Faried.

Karl's reputation for poor lineups and adjustments is being exposed more than ever. His answer to beating small ball is to go even smaller. Except that moves away from our strength of rebounding and using our athleticism to run the floor with 7" bigs, and that the Warriors are much better when they go smaller and we are much worst when we are small.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:53 pm
by corona
corona wrote:i wonder why karl doesn't do a lot of things.

i wonder why when miller checks in the game, he's always picking up steph curry.....and then steph curry scores or miller requires so much help defense that the entire team starts scoring.

seriously. why would the teams slowest & worst defender ever be on other teams best scorer on purpose?

notice i said this before the game.

and it was exactly the teams downfall in the middle of the 3rd.

it seriously has to be the most idiotic, dumbest, worst coaching move of all time. put your slowest, most laterally inept, oldest wing defender on the other teams best player....who also happens to be the (future) best shooter in the history of the game.

as masai, or the kroenke's...how is that not inexcusable?

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:39 pm
by ChuckS
Being new to the board I hope everyone here has great tolerance for dissenting opinion, because some things just mystify me.

Having watched every game, and having reviewed every player's production, I question a few who seem to be placing the blame almost totally on Miller. Yes he shot poorly in game three, and yes Curry exploded with him in last night. But in the second quarter he particularly was important in reducing the GS lead to two points. But when he came out they immediately brought the lead back up to 12 in the last three minutes of the half. Without claiming Dre is good, bad, or mediocre, it seems to me that GS is pretty damn explosive, and thus far seemingly unstoppable, regardless of who is on the floor. I agree with "Corona" on this point, except I will not blame Dre for having been put on Curry (not that he did -- but others have it seems). On the plus side Miller is shooting the same excellent 47% he shot during the season while scoring 7 more points in the same minutes. He is one of only four players on the squad who has increased his production in the playoffs. And, I think it is important, that we would definitely be zero and three without him.

I think some have forgotten that this is still a team game. Let me preface the rest of this by stating I am not a hater, and particularly like almost every player on this team. I personally think the loss of Gallo has us in a gun fight without a gun, but cannot complain too much because their loss of Lee is also significant. But let us look for blame other than to a 25 minute sub.

My biggest disappointment has been Chandler, who I believe should be the second best scorer without Gallo. He has been invisible in this series. He is shooting 33% and is three points down from his regular season average and far from his "glory" games late in the year. Also disappointing, considering the way he finished the season, has been Fournier, who has done nothing, with 35% shooting and no threes. I expected a playoff surprise, explosive, scorer.

The biggest problem may be our bigs. Their scoring is down a collective nine points, with a puny average of only 3 boards/per each. They seem totally intimidated by Bogut. In that regard I second the opinion of those who are wondering about using Mosgov. I'm surprised he did not play more this season because I thought he was good last year, and with the Knicks, and very good in the Olympics. He's probably too rusty to chance now, though.

As I said above, only three others on the team have exceeded their season numbers. Lawson has been exceptional, up six points at an excellent 49%. My only slight disappointment has been his three point shooting or lack of such, but that would just be icing. He has been the second best player in the series, almost winning one game by himself. If you can forgive his seven turnovers last night, Iguodala also has been quite good. He is shooting 51/40% and leading the team in rebounds with 7, one more than both centers. He has also kept Thompson from exploding and done a decent job on Curry when Klay is out of the game. I would put him on Curry a little more at crucial parts of the game. He won't stop Steph completely if he's hot, but we have no other alternative than Brewer. And no! Fournier is no where near the defender that Corey is. Speaking of that, I particularly always liked Brewer and think he has been unfairly the second most crucified player on the team. He is averaging three points above his season average, so in spite of 39% shooting, I place him among the only four on the team meeting expectations.

I'm placing Farried right after the top four. I think considering his injury layoff he has played adequately if not totally up to his standards. He still has gotten 7 boards per game.

In summary, I think there have been bigger problems in this series than those most often addressed.

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:55 pm
by darivo
Wilson is running every defense to get 2vs1 to the ball.

he is doing a very extreme physical defensive work.

Is incredible to see how Denver is starting their defense at the half court when the entire season they left open 3pt and got focus inside paint...

GS can win their 2 games at home, but never like this. Denver is a broken team with a dying coach

Re: NBA Playoffs: Nuggets (1-2) @ Warriors (2-1) G4

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:44 am
by corona
ChuckS wrote:Having watched every game, and having reviewed every player's production, I question a few who seem to be placing the blame almost totally on Miller. Yes he shot poorly in game three, and yes Curry exploded with him in last night. But in the second quarter he particularly was important in reducing the GS lead to two points. But when he came out they immediately brought the lead back up to 12 in the last three minutes of the half. Without claiming Dre is good, bad, or mediocre, it seems to me that GS is pretty damn explosive, and thus far seemingly unstoppable, regardless of who is on the floor. I agree with "Corona" on this point, except I will not blame Dre for having been put on Curry (not that he did -- but others have it seems). On the plus side Miller is shooting the same excellent 47% he shot during the season while scoring 7 more points in the same minutes. He is one of only four players on the squad who has increased his production in the playoffs. And, I think it is important, that we would definitely be zero and three without him.


sorry, aside from the first hot game he's 11/31 from the floor (35%), with 10 assists in 3 games, and 10 turnovers.

he's done nothing but pound the ball into the court on offense, throw up terrible flailing shots in the paint after spending the entire shot clock posting up/backing down. it slows the game down too much, gets the nuggets offense out of rhythm. has all season.

and on defense he's absolutely worthless. incomprehensibly bad. he's too slow and short to help & recover on 3 point shooters. he's too slow to guard anyone on the warriors...particularly their best player.

but that's on karl for his lineups and defensive assignments.

we may not have won the first game without him. but at least if we didn't, karl and andre wouldn't view him (and himself) as heros, and continue down the destructive path of playing him way too many minutes....which definitely lost game 3 and led directly to the big run in game 4.