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I think it should go two routes:

Iggy re-signs: We try again except this time build a team where big flaws don't actually stand out (ie shooting)
Iggy walks: Blow it up. Lawson is the only one that should be "safe".

Anywho, George Karl, Andre Miller, Corey Brewer out is a must. Karl has had 4 different teams with Denver now, and only one got out of the first round. Miller is also the same, never been out of the first round and it's obvious why, his pounding the shot off the clock and then shooting at the last 5 seconds doesn't work and he is arguably the worst defender in the league. Brewer is just an awful basketball player. Can't think of who I want to replace Karl right now. Perhaps Brian Shaw or Stan Van Gundy.

Shooters are a must in free agency. I like what Fournier brings and would trade/waive Dre and use Frenchy as the backup PG. Kyle Korver or Martell Webster at the top of my head would be fantastic additions. Heck, I'll get excited if Hamilton tears up the summer league and preseason again.

Also the last two playoffs showed that McGee should be a starter on this team.

Personally I do not see karl being fired, he has the built in excuse with the Gallo injury. I wish they would fire him and bring in someone willing to play the young guys but I do not see it, so I would build my roster based on that idea.

Personally I think the Nuggets should let Iggy walk.

I would keep Lawson, Gallo, fournier, McGee, Hamilton, Koufos, Q. Miller

Resign both Stone and Mozgov for depth and to push Koufos and McGee and Stone as cheap depth to push the backup PG.

Trade everybody else or let them walk, upgrade your starting PF, sign a decent backup PG like Collison and draft another SG/SF.

Forcing Karl to develop Hamilton and Fournier while Gallo is out, forcing him to play Q. Miller as his stretch 4, and forcing him to continue developing McGee.

By the time Gallo gets back you should have a much better idea of what you have in Fournier, Q Miller, and Hamilton, as well as the rookies you drafted. Worse case scenerio you get a good draft pick in 2014, best case these guys develop like I think they should and the Nuggets are a better more skilled team by the time the playoffs role around next year.

sounds like Brewer is out already

"Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 33m
RT @copoke05: Iggy back or not?--->>>I believe so. the only guy i know won't be back is brewer. great guy. energy player. they moving on"

KidNine wrote:sounds like Brewer is out already

"Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 33m
RT @copoke05: Iggy back or not?--->>>I believe so. the only guy i know won't be back is brewer. great guy. energy player. they moving on"

Probably just speculation like what you see in this thread.

How much would Tony Allen command in the Free Agency?

Build from defense first. Iggy + Allen at the perimeter.

eathb_au wrote:How much would Tony Allen command in the Free Agency?

Build from defense first. Iggy + Allen at the perimeter.

I would expect Allen to get a minimum of the MLE, but I disagree totally on building with those 2 on the perimeter, neither one is a good outside shooter, allowing the defense to continue to pack the paint. If anything that makes the current Nuggets problem even worse.

Korver In
Brewer (or Iggy) out

André Miller out
Pg bakcup (Nate? Bynum? Agustin?)

McGee out (and other 'c')
Horford in (yes yes, i know is only a Dream)

Karl OUT
i like D'antoni.......

Trade #1
Denver Trades: Andre Miller

Memphis Trades: Tony Wroten, 2nd round pick

Why: Denver gets a young athletic point guard to play behind Lawson and Memphis gets a veteran point who fits the grind it out style that the grizzlies play. Both team benefit as with the addition of Miller, the Grizzlies gain depth and with the addition of Wroten, Denver no longer has to play two different kinds of basketball.

Trade #2

Denver Trades: Kosta Koufos, Jordan hamilton

Dallas trades: S&T O.J Mayo

Why: Dallas gets back a solid rotational big on a good deal and Denver gets a much needed scorer off the bench. Denver lets Corey brewer go and signs O.J in the emergency chance that Iguodala decides to leave. Dallas also receives Jordan Hamilton, who is locked in for 2 more years and has shown potential to be a legitimate scorer in this league.

youngthegiant wrote:Trade #1
Denver Trades: Andre Miller

Memphis Trades: Tony Wroten, 2nd round pick

Why: Denver gets a young athletic point guard to play behind Lawson and Memphis gets a veteran point who fits the grind it out style that the grizzlies play. Both team benefit as with the addition of Miller, the Grizzlies gain depth and with the addition of Wroten, Denver no longer has to play two different kinds of basketball.

Trade #2

Denver Trades: Kosta Koufos, Jordan hamilton

Dallas trades: S&T O.J Mayo

Why: Dallas gets back a solid rotational big on a good deal and Denver gets a much needed scorer off the bench. Denver lets Corey brewer go and signs O.J in the emergency chance that Iguodala decides to leave. Dallas also receives Jordan Hamilton, who is locked in for 2 more years and has shown potential to be a legitimate scorer in this league.

both of those are not all that good for the Nuggets. It also leaves them weak at backup PG and center.

Josh Kroenke has confirmed that George Karl will stay out the remainder of his contract.

The only choice is to remove his favorites now. Miller and Brewer.

Interesting article from kizla, who seems to be the only reporter in the state of Colorado to say what we all think of Karl. Personally I do not like Kizla, but at least someone is saying something about the coaching for the Nuggets.
http://www.denverpost.com/lunchspecial/ ... ets-hassle

You think the Broncos would give John Fox the chance to lose in the opening round of the playoffs eight times in his nine years at the helm?

No way. Fox would lose his job. And have no complaint.

I understand the cancer battles, and the fact that Karl is a smart guy who can be charming, but I have never seen a group of reporters and analyst support a coach as much as I do with Karl. It is like all the reporters are battered wives justifying why the world has been so bad to their guy and how nothing is his fault, after all he is such a good guy.

I knew the Nuggets were not going to fire karl, but this lack of criticism from everybody over the years has just reached a point of ridiculous, it is easy to see that Karl was out coached and made horrible decisions throughout the series once, yet only Kizla has the balls to say anything.

Igoudala comments on his future.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/201 ... nver/8811/

I'm guessing Iggy is worth as much as Lawson, so something around $48M for 4 years.

Assuming we don't re-sign Brew, that would put us 7M below the luxury tax, giving us the full MLE to play with. I think we can spend that on a sharp shooter like Korver. A post big would be nice too, but I think the likes of Millsap would commend more than the MLE.

I would also be looking to trade Dre for a stop gap SF just to start for Gallinari until he's back (or if he comes back). I've always liked Mbah a Moute defensively but not sure how he is on the offensive end.

I personally think that the stop gap SF is already on the roster.

Unless Iggy & Brewer both leave or you trade one of the SG/SFs on the roster and 1 of those 2 leave there is no way I look for another SG/SF. The only way to make Karl really develop the young guys is too not give him any options, like the Nuggets did with Nene and Faried. They have 2 good outside shooters on the bench make him play them. Keeping it as is with only resigning Iggy makes Karl start Chandler or fournier with Iggy at the 3, and leaves a handful of minutes open for Hamilton and Q. Miller to fight over until Gallo gets back.

What I would look to do with Miller is to send him to Sacramento with Chandler and Randolph for Jason Thompson and Marcus Thornton along with a future pick of some sort. gives you an experienced big with an offensive game and an ability to hit mid range shots, while also giving you a gunner for SG, allowing Fournier and Thornton to battle for starting SG with Iggy sliding to the 3 until Gallo gets back. Then if Hamilton and Fournier develop you can move one of your bigs, and Thornton for draft picks and expiring contract or an upgrade elsewhere.

Then I would use the MLE to sign Darren Collison for something like a 3yr $10 million deal. He is a very good backup PG that can be a spot starter in the case of injuries, but is not a guy who should be a full time starter, he also excels in offenses like the Nuggets and is a decent outside shooter to help spread the floor.

Draft a euro big that will stay in Europe for a year or two.

Resign stone and Mozgov and your team is still young with good upside while you stay under the tax.

Until Gallo got back you would have a lineup of
Lawson/ Collison/ Stone
Fournier/ Thornton/
Igoudala/ Hamilton/ Q. Miller /(Gallo injured)
Faried/ thompson
McGee/ Koufos/ Mozgov

Once Gallo comes back and gets up to speed you can give some combo of the minutes to thornton, Hamilton, and Fournier the minutes that Brewer and Miller (when on court with Lawson) split last year plus the random scrap minutes, leaving them 38 mpg or so to battle for.

Sacramento with Chandler and Randolph for Jason Thompson and Marcus Thornton along with a future
pick of some s

Sorry but i can understand why Thompson & Thornton could be a good improvement over Randolph & Wilson.

Randolph showed that he can play (maybe not 25 minutes but 10-12 of course), and Wilson can plays at 3&4 (and he is a good scorer when the team run in the offense)

Of course, their salaries are perfect for any team, including Denver

darivo wrote:

Sacramento with Chandler and Randolph for Jason Thompson and Marcus Thornton along with a future
pick of some s

Sorry but i can understand why Thompson & Thornton could be a good improvement over Randolph & Wilson.

Randolph showed that he can play (maybe not 25 minutes but 10-12 of course), and Wilson can plays at 3&4 (and he is a good scorer when the team run in the offense)

Of course, their salaries are perfect for any team, including Denver

Randolph is a terrible defender, and lowers the BBIQ of the entire team, Chandler is a solid player, but he is injury prone, he is streaky at best with outside shooting, and just a couple of months ago he reportedly almost asked for a trade. Thompson and Thornton bring exactly what the team needs in spreading the floor, with Thompson being a good rebounder, a future pick would also be nice.

It'd be nice to hang on to Chandler but I do understand why someone would think trade due to his injury history. But I think more than Lawson is safe.

Gallinari, Faried, Lawson absolutely need to stay
I'd keep the young guys... Fournier & Hamilton
Koufos is a bargain so I see no reason to move him.
Chandler, when healthy, is really nice as well.
Hopefully the Nuggets don't jump into the 50s (million) to sign Iggy. We need shooting @ the 2.
McGee either needs to start and get big minutes or he needs to be moved. Sit down with Karl & hash it out.
IMO Iggy off the books & Andre Miller & McGee on the block.
Clear cap space and draft well again this summer. Hope Gallinari can eventually get back to his old self.
Next season should be about opening up cap space and seeing what we got.
This forces Karl to play the kids. Including 2 new rooks next year if they deserve it.

keep masai, fire karl.

that's all i care about.

I want to see this team get one more shot at being a successful playoff team before we decide to blow it up. After all we did set the record for most franchise wins this season. First things first, it's obvious Karl is going nowhere next season, so we will have to put up with him at least one more year. Second we need to become a better defensive team; that starts with trading Andre Miller for a young up and coming point. Third, Karl needs to start Mcgee. I'm tired of him getting benched for every mistake while veterans like Miller continue to play even though they are hurting the team. If Mcgee becomes half of what he is capable of being, then he becomes a huge asset for this team. Fourth, forget about Brewer.....We need a bonafide bench scorer who is consistent and can shoot the 3, being able to create their own shot would be a bonus. Fifth, re-signing Andre Iguodala is a must, something around a 3 year 40 million dollar deal would be a good deal for both sides, although it is rather high. Overall this team needs to retool it's weaknesses, the biggest ones are 3pt shooting and defending the 3 point line.

Cap Situation

Mcgee 10.8
Gallinari 10.1
Chandler 6.3
Kosta Koufos 3.0
Ty Lawson 10.8
Anthony Randolph 1.8
Fournier 1.4
Faried 1.4
Hamilton 1.2
Quincy Miller 0.5
Julyan Stone 1.0
Andre Iguodala 13.0(projected)

Total: 61.3

Of course this would be without having Miller, Brewer, and Mozgov. Which leaves us about 8.7 to make someone an offer, but it is actually lower since we would acquire salary in any Andre Miller trade and we would need to sign a rookie, unless we trade the pick in a weak draft. So realistically we have 6 million to sign someone, which is MLE. Although if Iguodala decides to leave then it opens up a lot of cap-room. Some guys I like that might be making around this money are...

Free Agent targets
Gerald Henderson
Omri Casspi
O.J Mayo(My personal favorite target)
Brandon Rush
Francisco Garcia
Tyler Hansbrough
Chauncey Billups
Tony Allen
Samuel Dalembert
Xavier Henry
Dorell Wright
Nick Young
Wesley Johnson
Toney Douglas
Tyreke Evans(Only if Iguodala leaves)
Randy Foye

If iggy gets an offer over 4/48 this off season I say let him walk and sign tyreke evans for the same money or less iggy is 29, tyreke is what 25? He is an underated defender/ althought not in the same class as iggy, but has better handles and shoots a touch better at the three point line, he might rebound a little worse but we arent bad at rebounding anyways. Plus he can run the back up point spot with the second unit allowing us to get rid of miller, and he has more potential than iggy, all the while opening up some money to sign a deadly three point threat and opening up some playing time for our younger players fournier/hamilton.