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This has been pretty obvious since July but now the cat is out of the bag. I've felt like if the Nuggets can get decent value back out of Faried they are more than happy to move him. I'll be sad to see him go but I saw it coming. What do the Nuggets get back?

Would you guys deal Faried and Miller for DeRozan?

I personally want to keep DeRozan, but I love Faried... and Masai does as well. DeRozan has significantly improved himself in the post and he's hitting 3s... I think he would be a great fit running with Lawson and opening 3s for Gallinari.

You guys have a glut of talented big men, and really no need for Miller with Nate... Toronto can use a backup PG vet like Miller.

I'll give you Kevin Love for Faried/Gallinari/1st Round Pick.

I disagree that the "cat is out of the bag". If I've learned one thing from all the time I've wasted on RealGM, it's that any article beginning with "Sources:", is more than likely a bunch of ****. This sounds like a lot of speculation to me and it probably all started with Bill Simmons doing just that.

That said, I don't have a problem with shopping Faried. I think Hickson is capable of everything Faried does plus he can stretch the floor. I also think Chandler is really going to boost his value by the time Gallinari comes back. We might have an opportunity to package either of them with Faried for a potential star.

ballislife wrote:Would you guys deal Faried and Miller for DeRozan?

Hell no. Do not want DeRozan and his contract. You can probably have Miller for free though.

I came on here to post about that Zach Lowe blurb...

1.3 Mil= Faried's Salary, 9.1 mil= remaining Iggy TPE, $66 Mil=Current cap number, 71 mil= Luxury tax

Lets discuss a Faried trade. Faried makes 1.3 Million this year and we are over the cap.

Option 1: Trading ONLY Faried means we can only bring back 1.3 Million in salary. Who the hell are we going to get for Faried that's better for this team and only makes 1.3 Million?

Option 2 is to use the TPE created in the Iggy trade. I did my research and the TPE is 9.1 million so we could trade Faried to team X and then team X trades us their player as long as that player doesn't make over 9 million. Doing this could put the Nuggets over the tax, no way they wanna pay the tax this year.

Option 3 and probably what they would prefer to do would be to package Faried with a higher paid player (Andre Miller 5.5 Mil) and bring back one player serviceable player.

While I wouldn't cry to see him go I'd want a damn good player in return. From what i've read and seen so far this whole damn roster needs ANOTHER make-over to fit Shaw's style.

Wolves21 wrote:I'll give you Kevin Love for Faried/Gallinari/1st Round Pick.

Done

Faried brings a certain energy and drive to the game that not many players can replicate, players feed off that. I think trading him would be a mistake.

I think trading Faried is the opposite of what we're trying to build when we traded Melo.

Though I'm always open to trading him (or any other player on the roster) in a packaged deal for an All Star that can make us better.

I agree the article seems to be a lot of speculation.

However I would not be opposed to a deal with Faried going out as part of a package where the Nuggets get an upgrade somewhere.

Hey lets trade our young stud pf who cost 1.3 million because he doesn't play well with our 11 million dollar 3 years older worse player. Makes since to me. Unless it brings back a lotto pick or klove that's the dumbest thing to do ever. Maybe we will get another darell arthur type return. Smh.

The best deal so far in my view would be to hold out til Jan and do a 3 team deal. Send Faried and Mozgov to Boston for the 2014 1st and some sort of 2nd rounder. Send that 2nd rounder to Cleveland for the rights to Sasha Kaun. Look to trade Dre for a big or take advantage of the D-League until Ivan Johnson gets done playing in China this year.

This sort of deal would make this season a transition year for Denver which makes sense with Gallo out right now. Still a good chance to be playoff bound and see what happens.

2014 1st Denver
2014 1st Boston
2014 1st NYK
2014 2nd Denver
2014 2nd Portland
Joffrey Lauvergne (looks good w/ Partizan so far)
Sasha Kaun (got best of Pekovic... playing extremely well right now, very friendly buyout... coach will like him and know how to use him)

Plus Lawson, Gallo, McGee, Chandler, Fournier, Hamilton, Q Miller, and Hickson... Randolph (guaranteed) Arthur (PO)

agree the article seems to be a lot of speculation. However I would not be opposed to a deal with Faried going out as part of a package where the Nuggets get an upgrade somewhere.

I'm sorry but a statement like the one above, is pretty meaningless if you are unable to provide at least some inkling of what you might consider a NEEDED upgrade.

It is amazing to me how many of the posters here apparently have little or no problem with blowing up just about all of last year's 57 win, youngest team in the NBA ( minus Andre Miller) especially given the decisions already made by JoshBoy II to "improve" the team.

As the roster stands right now, just what position do you think needs upgrading most? I assume that SG would be the first choice of most, followed by PF.

In the first case, there are VERY FEW top notch SGs in the league and they are definitely not available. And, anyway, just why would you choose to give up on the 21 year old Fournier who clearly could turn into a quality SG?

In the second case, I would not disagree that a quality PF would be a worthwhile upgrade but there are nearly as few of those around as top flight SGs. Besides, what then was the point in going out and overcrowding the position with Hickson and Arthur?

In reality, the MOST likely position that will prove to need an upgrade by the trade deadline will be center by which time, unfortunately, McGee may have clearly shown that he is NOT a quality starting NBA center.

As for the other poster who is willing to trade Faried for a draft choice, one can only advise that he should choose another sport to follow. Maybe, one like bowling, which requires a bit less mental acuity.

CWebb2491 wrote:Faried brings a certain energy and drive to the game that not many players can replicate, players feed off that. I think trading him would be a mistake.

Exactly. Plus when you get Faried's VALUE and are just itching to pull the trigger on a trade, when will we ever hold onto a quality player like Faried? You trade and how do you know you're not going to have to make yet another trade at an ever higher cost? I know you always have got to be looking down the road but we're barely out of the gates with this crew...and it isn't costing the team anything to hang onto him long enough to find out how far this team can go WITH him.

ujirifan wrote:

agree the article seems to be a lot of speculation. However I would not be opposed to a deal with Faried going out as part of a package where the Nuggets get an upgrade somewhere.

I'm sorry but a statement like the one above, is pretty meaningless if you are unable to provide at least some inkling of what you might consider a NEEDED upgrade.

It is amazing to me how many of the posters here apparently have little or no problem with blowing up just about all of last year's 57 win, youngest team in the NBA ( minus Andre Miller) especially given the decisions already made by JoshBoy II to "improve" the team.

As the roster stands right now, just what position do you think needs upgrading most? I assume that SG would be the first choice of most, followed by PF.

In the first case, there are VERY FEW top notch SGs in the league and they are definitely not available. And, anyway, just why would you choose to give up on the 21 year old Fournier who clearly could turn into a quality SG?

In the second case, I would not disagree that a quality PF would be a worthwhile upgrade but there are nearly as few of those around as top flight SGs. Besides, what then was the point in going out and overcrowding the position with Hickson and Arthur?

In reality, the MOST likely position that will prove to need an upgrade by the trade deadline will be center by which time, unfortunately, McGee may have clearly shown that he is NOT a quality starting NBA center.

As for the other poster who is willing to trade Faried for a draft choice, one can only advise that he should choose another sport to follow. Maybe, one like bowling, which requires a bit less mental acuity.

a simple "could you elaborate" to Rebel's post instead of your continued an unwarranted attacking nature and belittlement of the Nuggets board members while posturing your self importance would do you wonders. We might even begin to engage you in a serious discussion.

Minus the attacks, Uriji's last post actually makes a lot of sense. Why discard the huge advantage the Nuggets get keeping Faried as-is? He's young, makes the fans happy, hard worker, entry level price, wears down the opponent instead of vice-versa. There's just not a lot of supporting argument for parting with Faried so early on in his career.

I'd prefer to trade Lawson.

If Shaw want a more traditional team starting with a PG who's a good or great passer/leader who could feed our bigs in the right spots and on time is a much better plan.

a simple "could you elaborate" to Rebel's post instead of your continued an unwarranted attacking nature and belittlement of the Nuggets board members while posturing your self importance would do you wonders. We might even begin to engage you in a serious discussion.

Really?

I'm sure that the moderators - what an accurate term, 'everyone be excruciatingly nice, politically correct and moderate, for gosh sake' - will ban me from the board when they get enough complaints from posters such as yourself.

Until then, I am not going to pretend that someone who thinks trading Faried for a future draft choice is deserving or either respect or consideration given his obvious lack of bball knowledge.

And, I don't know exactly what you mean in saying that I am "posturing my self-importance" but I feel confident that it was meant as a demeaning slur that should be considered unacceptable on this board. LOL.

ujirifan wrote:I'm sure that the moderators - what an accurate term, 'everyone be excruciatingly nice, politically correct and moderate, for gosh sake' - will ban me from the board when they get enough complaints from posters such as yourself.

Yea and conservatives are really big on "conservation". Nice try but your analogy doesn't work at all. Compared to a lot of boards where forum owners or bored "basementers" moderate like crazy you pretty much get left alone around here.

If you get kicked outta here it is because you continued to break the rules and ignore the warnings. If you think it is anymore than that then your ego is overly inflated.

If you attack and troll you'll find it hard to strike up conversation and debate.

You need to use some common sense and realize that we are having a trade debate here because legit sources suggest that Faried is being shopped. This isn't a fan idea.

ujirifan wrote:

agree the article seems to be a lot of speculation. However I would not be opposed to a deal with Faried going out as part of a package where the Nuggets get an upgrade somewhere.

I'm sorry but a statement like the one above, is pretty meaningless if you are unable to provide at least some inkling of what you might consider a NEEDED upgrade.

What is a needed upgrade? Do we have the best player in the league at any position? If you answer no then any and every position can be upgraded, but you want to go through them, fine. Our starting PG had his head coach texting him daily to remind him to actually be aggressive and play hard nightly last year, Our starting SG is a journeyman combo guard who's only skill is shooting, our top 2 SFs have been out most of the preseason and are both injury prone 3rd or 4th tier guys, our PF cannot hit a jumpshot and gets beat often on defense but hey at least he hustles, and our starting center, well now he is a special case, he has asthma and is limited to minutes he can play at a top level at altitude, and he is still trying to develop his game on both ends, despite being in the NBA for 5 years at this point.

That is not even starting on the bench, our bench consists of a journeyman scorer and a very old guy who does not have a jumpshot or play defense (and I have heard some call him our best actual player) for backup PG. Our backup SG is a virtual 20 year old rookie who got cut from the French national team this summer and has not been able to beat out a guy with 1 nba quality skill, on top of our previously mentioned backup injury prone SF, we have 2 more guys who are virtual rookies, that have yet to show they actually deserve NBA minutes. Of course we are stacked with value at PF, we have a guy who is a double double machine unfortunately he does not play defense (and he may be our starter), his seeming backup is a very good defensive player that does not seem to have the ability to stay healthy, and of course behind him is the enigma Anthony Randolph, the guy who puts up pretty stats until he gets pressure on him, and do not ask him to play defense. That leaves our backup center, a big bruising stiff, yep no need to upgrade there either.

So to answer your question once again, where does this team not need an upgrade?

ujirifan wrote:It is amazing to me how many of the posters here apparently have little or no problem with blowing up just about all of last year's 57 win, youngest team in the NBA ( minus Andre Miller) especially given the decisions already made by JoshBoy II to "improve" the team.

I thought this team was done when they lost Ujiri, fired Karl, and Igoudala took off? Add in the fact that the Nuggets have lost half of their games without Gallo the last 2 years and he is out for a month or two, and what do you want to have happen. You cannot have it both ways, if this team is done why not blow it up?

By the way how many banners do you get for 57 wins, and a 1st round exit? Last I checked not one. Either the goal is to win a championship or it's not, this team as built was not going to win a championship, as shown by the way the entire was outplayed in the playoffs last year, so you either upgrade or blow it up.

ujirifan wrote:As the roster stands right now, just what position do you think needs upgrading most? I assume that SG would be the first choice of most, followed by PF.

Sure an upgrade at SG would be nice, or even a PF, but I would prefer a better center over PF, or even take an upgrade at PG, hell for that matter how about a good healthy SF.

ujirifan wrote:In the first case, there are VERY FEW top notch SGs in the league and they are definitely not available. And, anyway, just why would you choose to give up on the 21 year old Fournier who clearly could turn into a quality SG?

How do you know who is available? Are you sitting in the Nuggets front office making the calls? Also why would that be giving up on Fournier? he cannot seem to beat out Foye so obviously he is not ready to be a starter, and he may never be.

ujirifan wrote:In the second case, I would not disagree that a quality PF would be a worthwhile upgrade but there are nearly as few of those around as top flight SGs. Besides, what then was the point in going out and overcrowding the position with Hickson and Arthur?

So you think that a quality PF is a need, but do not understand why they brought in the best 2 they could get? Why not overcrowd the position and make them compete for minutes? the way Faried is treated by some Nuggets fans is a travesty, especially since long term Nuggets fans got to watch 2 very good borderline great PFs like a healthy Antonio Mcdyess and Laphonso Ellis.

ujirifan wrote:In reality, the MOST likely position that will prove to need an upgrade by the trade deadline will be center by which time, unfortunately, McGee may have clearly shown that he is NOT a quality starting NBA center.

So that is 3 positions that you agree with me that needs an upgrade, so what is the problem again?

ujirifan wrote:As for the other poster who is willing to trade Faried for a draft choice, one can only advise that he should choose another sport to follow. Maybe, one like bowling, which requires a bit less mental acuity.

Are these not your posts?

ujirifan wrote:I would say that, given equal good or bad fortune on the injury front, the Grizz are most - and quite - likely to match last season's success, the Clips have a decent chance to do so and the Nuggets have just about zero likelihood of such an occurrence.

Yes or no?

ujirifan wrote:

REALLY????????????

Taking a 57 win team with - minus Andre Miller - THE YOUNGEST roster in the NBA, firing the coach, letting the GM, WHO WAS STILL UNDER CONTRACT, - allegedly because they were such good buddies he wouldn't stand in Ujiri's way rather than because he wanted unfettered control of all basketball decisions - leave and being well on his way to a major demolition of the roster.

Yeah. That's shows patience. Sorry, but that simply shows his arrogance.

I am sure I can dig up more, but I think it is pretty obvious this team is taking a step back, and you think threw everything away, so why not trade a hustle PF with limited skill outside of his hustle for a pick in what appears to be the draft of the decade?

Also by the way I am warning you now to stop with the personal insults, you are getting way out of hand

ujirifan wrote:

a simple "could you elaborate" to Rebel's post instead of your continued an unwarranted attacking nature and belittlement of the Nuggets board members while posturing your self importance would do you wonders. We might even begin to engage you in a serious discussion.

Really?

I'm sure that the moderators - what an accurate term, 'everyone be excruciatingly nice, politically correct and moderate, for gosh sake' - will ban me from the board when they get enough complaints from posters such as yourself.

It is funny the Nuggets board is one of the most lenient boards on realgm, but you are right, keep up with the attacks and you will be banned.

ujirifan wrote:Until then, I am not going to pretend that someone who thinks trading Faried for a future draft choice is deserving or either respect or consideration given his obvious lack of bball knowledge.

It is still funny to me how you think you are the only one who knows about basketball, and for months have been talking about how screwed the Nuggets are, but do not see the logic in trading a guy who took a step back last year, and who's only skill is that he hustles harder then anybody else. If the Nuggets are so screwed what is wrong with traded a rich mans reggie evans for a good draft pick?

ujirifan wrote:And, I don't know exactly what you mean in saying that I am "posturing my self-importance" but I feel confident that it was meant as a demeaning slur that should be considered unacceptable on this board. LOL.

Funny you complaining about slurs and insults, you have insulted just about everybody on this board, but do not like it when someone makes a comment that you cannot figure out exactly what it means?