Trade ideas ??

[skywalker33]

Well, since we are in the rebuild mode, how about throwing ideas out

How about this one:

CHI trades Derrick Rose and Tony Snell
DEN trades Ty Lawson and Wilson Chandler

Rose is a big risk but may be a big reward. Big contract and healthy issues, plus his recent clash with Jimmy Butler will be an incentive to work this. Snell helps replace WC

Lawson must go, he's driving his value down with his social media stupidity and will need a change of scenery. Bulls will need a replace PG and Lawson is above average. They also get WC who can defend, provide versatility and support to Butler.

Let's hear yours...

[psimanic1]

Ty, Foye, filler for McLemore, #6...
Faried, filler for Ross, #20
Chandler to CHI for #22, Snell
Gallo, filler to IND for #11(or BOS for 2 1st round picks this year)
JJ Hickson to HOU for #32

[The Rebel]

No way in hell I would trade Lawson AND Chandler for Rose, that is crazy. The guy cannot stay healthy and is on a max deal.

As for Lawson driving down his value, according to who the trade board? Fact is Nuggets players are and always have been underrated on this board, shown by everytime they make a deal and people are shocked at how much they got back.

I also would not trade Gallo at this point.

I think the Nuggets and Kings work out a deal, Karl wants some of his old guys and the Kings need to improve soon or people will start getting fired.

I would do Lawson, Chandler, and Faried for Collison, McLemore, and their pick with a future pick thrown in.

[Powder Blue]

Only way someone would take Rose is if they had one year to make a run and thought he was the missing link, No way he or the Nuggets want to come together.

If we could get that 6 pick for Ty I'd be ecstatic. Imagine getting both SJ and MH! what would you guys have to argue about all summer?

[skywalker33]

Better yet, imagine Russell and Herzonja

[skywalker33]

Ty, Foye, filler for McLemore, #6...
Faried, filler for Ross, #20
Chandler to CHI for #22, Snell
Gallo, filler to IND for #11(or BOS for 2 1st round picks this year)
JJ Hickson to HOU for #32

The only one I'm not crazy about is the Gallo trade, but I'd jump on any of the others

[Powder Blue]

I'd like the Nuggets to go all-in trying to get the 6th or maybe even the 4th pick for Ty and whoever. The Knicks having a worse pick helps us out because we have the rights to swap first's with them next year. Knowing that they won't be nearly as prone to tank because it won't benefit them in the 2016 draft.

[skywalker33]

On the TRADE forum saw Lawson and #7 for Calderon and #4....I'd do this, would give us a strong building block to join with Nurkic, $-5M more in cap space as well as throw some intrigue into the draft for next year (does it raise or lower our win total or the Knicks ? )

[Powder Blue]

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

[A_dub06]

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

Let's be realistic, how much better is Lawson than Mudiay or collision for that matter? Mudiay is unproven but his potential alone outweighs the current production of Lawson, and Collision isn't that much worse not to mention half the price. So from the Knicks perspective, they are better on paper after the 2015-16 season keeping their pick or waiting for a better trade offer. The Knicks aren't winning it next year regardless of whatever phil has up his sleeve and Sacramento are not gift wrapping their pick for Lawson without yours going back in return.

Lawson isn't even a top 10 point guard, chandler/gallinari aren't valued as high anywhere outside of Denver and faried is a high energy rebounder.... Without your 7th attached no way do you come out with #4 or #6.


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[The Rebel]

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

Let's be realistic, how much better is Lawson than Mudiay or collision for that matter? Mudiay is unproven but his potential alone outweighs the current production of Lawson, and Collision isn't that much worse not to mention half the price. So from the Knicks perspective, they are better on paper after the 2015-16 season keeping their pick or waiting for a better trade offer. The Knicks aren't winning it next year regardless of whatever phil has up his sleeve and Sacramento are not gift wrapping their pick for Lawson without yours going back in return.

Lawson isn't even a top 10 point guard, chandler/gallinari aren't valued as high anywhere outside of Denver and faried is a high energy rebounder.... Without your 7th attached no way do you come out with #4 or #6.


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LOL, if you have to ask how much better Lawson is than Collision, and say Lawson is not a top 10 PG than your opinion holds no sway, as you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

Here is an article showing that Lawson was the 7th most productive player on offense last year. Not PG, but player.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... he-nuggets

Here is an article showing that Lawson was 9th in wins above replacement despite having half his team quit and not even both try for months
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2373 ... in-the-nba

So please do not come in here proving your ignorance about Lawson and the other Nuggets, we have better things to do.

[A_dub06]

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

Let's be realistic, how much better is Lawson than Mudiay or collision for that matter? Mudiay is unproven but his potential alone outweighs the current production of Lawson, and Collision isn't that much worse not to mention half the price. So from the Knicks perspective, they are better on paper after the 2015-16 season keeping their pick or waiting for a better trade offer. The Knicks aren't winning it next year regardless of whatever phil has up his sleeve and Sacramento are not gift wrapping their pick for Lawson without yours going back in return.

Lawson isn't even a top 10 point guard, chandler/gallinari aren't valued as high anywhere outside of Denver and faried is a high energy rebounder.... Without your 7th attached no way do you come out with #4 or #6.


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LOL, if you have to ask how much better Lawson is than Collision, and say Lawson is not a top 10 PG than your opinion holds no sway, as you obviously do not know what you are talking about.

Here is an article showing that Lawson was the 7th most productive player on offense last year. Not PG, but player.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... he-nuggets

Here is an article showing that Lawson was 9th in wins above replacement despite having half his team quit and not even both try for months
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2373 ... in-the-nba

So please do not come in here proving your ignorance about Lawson and the other Nuggets, we have better things to do.

Steph curry
Chris Paul
John wall
Kyrie Irving
Derrick rose
Jeff Teague
Mike Conley
Russell Westbrook
Eric Bledsoe
Damian Lillard

That's 10 point guards that are all better than Lawson not to mention the debatable players.

Lawson is clearly better than collision, I didn't deny that. But the value of the #6 pick is much greater than the difference between the two in production especially when collision comes at half the price

Advanced stats are very important when assessing players but they need to be used in combination with other stats and compiled data. I'm sorry but using 2 advanced stats doesn't substantiate your claim.

7th most productive player..... That's great and all, but he scored 15ppg. Lawson is a good player, but he's far from the asset your making him out to be. This is a point guard heavy league, I don't think the league has ever been this saturated in talented point guards.

Lawson: 15.2ppg 9.6apg 3.1rpg 1.2spg 2.5 t/o 43.6 fg% 34.1 3pt% 35.5mpg

Collision: 16.1ppg 5.6apg 3.2rpg 1.5spg 2.5 t/o 47.3 fg% 37.3 3pt% 34.8mpg

Now obviously looking at the stats Lawson is the better floor general, making 3.3apg more while have the same amount of turnovers as collision. But if you're going to tell me that Lawson is worth not only collision but a #6 let alone a #4 pick which is blatantly delusional, I'm going to tell you give me some of whatever you're smoking! It's not realistic for New York when Mudiay could turn out to be the next John Wall and he's 8 years younger helping their prosperity, or Sacramento which would be giving up their pick for 3.3 more assists and this is Boogies team so Ty's leadership is nowhere near as important.

Ty is a good player and he's definitely a top 15 point guard but you're dreaming of you actually believe people outside of Denver hold him in the same regard. I'm a Pistons fan and I could show you articles about how Jennings after smith was waived started producing at a top ten point guard level, but I'm also aware of his history/reputation and I know that his value to any team outside of Detroit is neutral if not slightly negative.

Also, neither of your links work







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[Powder Blue]

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

Let's be realistic, how much better is Lawson than Mudiay or collision for that matter? Mudiay is unproven but his potential alone outweighs the current production of Lawson, and Collision isn't that much worse not to mention half the price. So from the Knicks perspective, they are better on paper after the 2015-16 season keeping their pick or waiting for a better trade offer. The Knicks aren't winning it next year regardless of whatever phil has up his sleeve and Sacramento are not gift wrapping their pick for Lawson without yours going back in return.

Lawson isn't even a top 10 point guard, chandler/gallinari aren't valued as high anywhere outside of Denver and faried is a high energy rebounder.... Without your 7th attached no way do you come out with #4 or #6.


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So you're arguing my trade but not taking into account all that I said would be offered. No I don't think Ty alone can pull the 4th or 6th but Ty + player (Chandler) +/- late 2016 first could. The only two PG's clearly better than Ty in the east are are Wall and Irving...No way Teague is and Rose might be better on two days rest.

I'm sure you wouldn't have valued Mozgov all that high either but the Nuggets snagged two mid-late 1st's for him.

[NEM]

Would you guys do 5th for faried?

[skywalker33]

Would you guys do 5th for faried?

Absolutely

[A_dub06]

Only way someone would take Rose is if they had one year to make a run and thought he was the missing link, No way he or the Nuggets want to come together.

If we could get that 6 pick for Ty I'd be ecstatic. Imagine getting both SJ and MH! what would you guys have to argue about all summer?

I'd like the Nuggets to go all-in trying to get the 6th or maybe even the 4th pick for Ty and whoever. The Knicks having a worse pick helps us out because we have the rights to swap first's with them next year. Knowing that they won't be nearly as prone to tank because it won't benefit them in the 2016 draft.

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

Let's be realistic, how much better is Lawson than Mudiay or collision for that matter? Mudiay is unproven but his potential alone outweighs the current production of Lawson, and Collision isn't that much worse not to mention half the price. So from the Knicks perspective, they are better on paper after the 2015-16 season keeping their pick or waiting for a better trade offer. The Knicks aren't winning it next year regardless of whatever phil has up his sleeve and Sacramento are not gift wrapping their pick for Lawson without yours going back in return.

Lawson isn't even a top 10 point guard, chandler/gallinari aren't valued as high anywhere outside of Denver and faried is a high energy rebounder.... Without your 7th attached no way do you come out with #4 or #6.


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So you're arguing my trade but not taking into account all that I said would be offered. No I don't think Ty alone can pull the 4th or 6th but Ty + player (Chandler) +/- late 2016 first could. The only two PG's clearly better than Ty in the east are are Wall and Irving...No way Teague is and Rose might be better on two days rest.

I'm sure you wouldn't have valued Mozgov all that high either but the Nuggets snagged two mid-late 1st's for him.

You mean these offerings? Yes, I have taken them into consideration and I disagree for the reasons I have listed previously.

Jeff Teague has played well this season and his stats are less favourable due to the difference in minutes played, Jeffs 30.5mpg to Lawsons 35.5mpg. If you adjust Jeffs stats per 36 minutes they paint a much clearer picture with I believe due to the fact he plays on a balanced contending team make Teague's superior.

18.8ppg 8.3apg 3rpg 2spg .5bpg 3.3 t/o 86%ft 34.3 3pt% 46%fg

I'd take Teague over Lawson at the moment as I think Teague is purely playing better right now. Teague is also one year younger and $4.5m cheaper per season at a low $8m per.

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[skywalker33]

Only way someone would take Rose is if they had one year to make a run and thought he was the missing link, No way he or the Nuggets want to come together.

If we could get that 6 pick for Ty I'd be ecstatic. Imagine getting both SJ and MH! what would you guys have to argue about all summer?

I'd like the Nuggets to go all-in trying to get the 6th or maybe even the 4th pick for Ty and whoever. The Knicks having a worse pick helps us out because we have the rights to swap first's with them next year. Knowing that they won't be nearly as prone to tank because it won't benefit them in the 2016 draft.

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

Let's be realistic, how much better is Lawson than Mudiay or collision for that matter? Mudiay is unproven but his potential alone outweighs the current production of Lawson, and Collision isn't that much worse not to mention half the price. So from the Knicks perspective, they are better on paper after the 2015-16 season keeping their pick or waiting for a better trade offer. The Knicks aren't winning it next year regardless of whatever phil has up his sleeve and Sacramento are not gift wrapping their pick for Lawson without yours going back in return.

Lawson isn't even a top 10 point guard, chandler/gallinari aren't valued as high anywhere outside of Denver and faried is a high energy rebounder.... Without your 7th attached no way do you come out with #4 or #6.


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So you're arguing my trade but not taking into account all that I said would be offered. No I don't think Ty alone can pull the 4th or 6th but Ty + player (Chandler) +/- late 2016 first could. The only two PG's clearly better than Ty in the east are are Wall and Irving...No way Teague is and Rose might be better on two days rest.

I'm sure you wouldn't have valued Mozgov all that high either but the Nuggets snagged two mid-late 1st's for him.

You mean these offerings? Yes, I have taken them into consideration and I disagree for the reasons I have listed previously.

Jeff Teague has played well this season and his stats are less favourable due to the difference in minutes played, Jeffs 30.5mpg to Lawsons 35.5mpg. If you adjust Jeffs stats per 36 minutes they paint a much clearer picture with I believe due to the fact he plays on a balanced contending team make Teague's superior.

18.8ppg 8.3apg 3rpg 2spg .5bpg 3.3 t/o 86%ft 34.3 3pt% 46%fg

I'd take Teague over Lawson at the moment as I think Teague is purely playing better right now. Teague is also one year younger and $4.5m cheaper per season at a low $8m per.

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Just curious, did you come over to add to the conversation or just troll ?

[A_dub06]

Only way someone would take Rose is if they had one year to make a run and thought he was the missing link, No way he or the Nuggets want to come together.

If we could get that 6 pick for Ty I'd be ecstatic. Imagine getting both SJ and MH! what would you guys have to argue about all summer?

I'd like the Nuggets to go all-in trying to get the 6th or maybe even the 4th pick for Ty and whoever. The Knicks having a worse pick helps us out because we have the rights to swap first's with them next year. Knowing that they won't be nearly as prone to tank because it won't benefit them in the 2016 draft.

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

So you're arguing my trade but not taking into account all that I said would be offered. No I don't think Ty alone can pull the 4th or 6th but Ty + player (Chandler) +/- late 2016 first could. The only two PG's clearly better than Ty in the east are are Wall and Irving...No way Teague is and Rose might be better on two days rest.

I'm sure you wouldn't have valued Mozgov all that high either but the Nuggets snagged two mid-late 1st's for him.

You mean these offerings? Yes, I have taken them into consideration and I disagree for the reasons I have listed previously.

Jeff Teague has played well this season and his stats are less favourable due to the difference in minutes played, Jeffs 30.5mpg to Lawsons 35.5mpg. If you adjust Jeffs stats per 36 minutes they paint a much clearer picture with I believe due to the fact he plays on a balanced contending team make Teague's superior.

18.8ppg 8.3apg 3rpg 2spg .5bpg 3.3 t/o 86%ft 34.3 3pt% 46%fg

I'd take Teague over Lawson at the moment as I think Teague is purely playing better right now. Teague is also one year younger and $4.5m cheaper per season at a low $8m per.

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Just curious, did you come over to add to the conversation or just troll ?

No no, I just wanted to have a discussion on his topic. I have better things to do with my time than indulge in such boring affairs such as trolling.


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[Powder Blue]

Only way someone would take Rose is if they had one year to make a run and thought he was the missing link, No way he or the Nuggets want to come together.

If we could get that 6 pick for Ty I'd be ecstatic. Imagine getting both SJ and MH! what would you guys have to argue about all summer?

I'd like the Nuggets to go all-in trying to get the 6th or maybe even the 4th pick for Ty and whoever. The Knicks having a worse pick helps us out because we have the rights to swap first's with them next year. Knowing that they won't be nearly as prone to tank because it won't benefit them in the 2016 draft.

I'd like to get the 4th or 6th AND keep our 7th. I'd think Lawson + a player or the low firsts we own next year could swing that. Knicks are going to be in win now mode, same as the Kings.

Let's be realistic, how much better is Lawson than Mudiay or collision for that matter? Mudiay is unproven but his potential alone outweighs the current production of Lawson, and Collision isn't that much worse not to mention half the price. So from the Knicks perspective, they are better on paper after the 2015-16 season keeping their pick or waiting for a better trade offer. The Knicks aren't winning it next year regardless of whatever phil has up his sleeve and Sacramento are not gift wrapping their pick for Lawson without yours going back in return.

Lawson isn't even a top 10 point guard, chandler/gallinari aren't valued as high anywhere outside of Denver and faried is a high energy rebounder.... Without your 7th attached no way do you come out with #4 or #6.


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So you're arguing my trade but not taking into account all that I said would be offered. No I don't think Ty alone can pull the 4th or 6th but Ty + player (Chandler) +/- late 2016 first could. The only two PG's clearly better than Ty in the east are are Wall and Irving...No way Teague is and Rose might be better on two days rest.

I'm sure you wouldn't have valued Mozgov all that high either but the Nuggets snagged two mid-late 1st's for him.

You mean these offerings? Yes, I have taken them into consideration and I disagree for the reasons I have listed previously.

Jeff Teague has played well this season and his stats are less favourable due to the difference in minutes played, Jeffs 30.5mpg to Lawsons 35.5mpg. If you adjust Jeffs stats per 36 minutes they paint a much clearer picture with I believe due to the fact he plays on a balanced contending team make Teague's superior.

18.8ppg 8.3apg 3rpg 2spg .5bpg 3.3 t/o 86%ft 34.3 3pt% 46%fg

I'd take Teague over Lawson at the moment as I think Teague is purely playing better right now. Teague is also one year younger and $4.5m cheaper per season at a low $8m per.

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Ty also dogged it most of the year playing for a coach he didn't like and a team that wasn't competitive.

[skywalker33]

You mean these offerings? Yes, I have taken them into consideration and I disagree for the reasons I have listed previously.

Jeff Teague has played well this season and his stats are less favourable due to the difference in minutes played, Jeffs 30.5mpg to Lawsons 35.5mpg. If you adjust Jeffs stats per 36 minutes they paint a much clearer picture with I believe due to the fact he plays on a balanced contending team make Teague's superior.

18.8ppg 8.3apg 3rpg 2spg .5bpg 3.3 t/o 86%ft 34.3 3pt% 46%fg

I'd take Teague over Lawson at the moment as I think Teague is purely playing better right now. Teague is also one year younger and $4.5m cheaper per season at a low $8m per.

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Just curious, did you come over to add to the conversation or just troll ?

No no, I just wanted to have a discussion on his topic. I have better things to do with my time than indulge in such boring affairs such as trolling.


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And yet here you are, adding nothing

Seen Lawson and the 7th for 4 and Calderon, what do you think of that ? I like it although I'm not crazy about Jose, but would need a backup of while Mudiay gets up to speed. Plus gets rid of a headcase-in-the-making