Nuggets need to make moves!

303_Nuggets · Post #1 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 4:33 am

There's a little over a month left in the trade line and the Nuggets haven't even been a whisper in a trade rumour. We need to make moves!

Post #2 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 4:45 am

For what?

skywalker33 · Post #3 » by **skywalker33** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:34 am

And why ? What would you suggest ? :-?

303_Nuggets · Post #4 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:09 pm

Why not? They are I'm need of ahooters. With Will Barton being their best offensive player, and scorer, the Nuggets need shooters. They didn't get anything from the Lawson deal and if anything Foye, and Chandler need to go. Also Faried is slowing down the development of Jokic. What the Nuggets need is a name! Not an elite level, but a name that will spark this offense. Malone has done a decent job in making us a better defensive team, but offensively, we are struggling.

Post #5 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:15 pm

Barton is not their best scorer Gallo is, Foye may have some value as an expiring shooter but he will not bring back much, Chandler is not going to bring back crap right now. Names can be made in the playoffs as the young players improve and get there. No reason to jump the gun so you get some impressive name that just screws up what you are building now.

303_Nuggets · Post #6 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:45 pm

This is true names can be made in the playoffs, but the first step is getting there. That's the hard part. Gallo to many is considered the best scoring g threat that the Nuggets have, but I feel as Barton is more of a consistent scorer. Gallo makes over 70% of his points from the stripe. Foye would add a veteran scorer to a team. I like where the Nuggets are heading, I would just like to see the Kroenke's open the check book and get a name. TBH I would even like to see them go after a name like DeRozen. Or even add players like Hassan Whiteside, and Deng in a package deal.

Post #7 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:52 pm

Funny you say Barton is consistent after the last 2 games, he is not consistent and being able to draw fouls is a great thing as it forces the other team into foul trouble while still getting points.

Derozan is a terrible fit for this team, teams already pack the paint so why get a SG that is terrible at outside shooting.

Deng is past done, why add him to a young team.

Whiteside is just dumb, why add a big that will be a free agent next year, that does not come with bird rights, and that will only get in the way of a young front court that needs time to develop?

Those are the type of moves that set teams back and kill any long term chances at building a winning team, if the Nuggets go get any of those guys it would be the dumbest move they have made since they hired Shaw.

303_Nuggets · Post #8 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 5:57 pm

Hiring Shaw was dumb. You bring valid points. The question is player/ free agent would want to join a young developing team?

Post #9 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 6:20 pm

No the question is why worry about who wants to join such a young team that has young players at 4 of the 5 positions that need time to develop? Give it a year and see what you have, if you find a great deal for someone like Faried than you move him, if not you stay where you are at and let them grow together.

303_Nuggets · Post #10 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 6:28 pm

True. Faried is a nice asset but I feel like he's holding player such as Nurkic and especially Jokic. Jokic I believe was a steal for the Nuggets. There were plenty of players in the 2nd rd at the time.

Post #11 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 7:58 pm

Faried is not really holding anybody back in my mind, to me he is there to make the young guys earn minutes and they need to earn them. My personal feeling on it is that to add a big name you have to give up talent and picks, this is a young core, with 4 guys who at a minimum look to be long starters in this league and are all 21 or younger (I truly believe that Nurkic and Jokic both have superstar potential and that Mudiay has all star talent), and a bunch of role players who are 25 or younger. Adding a name player is going to cost you one or two of those 4 guys probably and some of your If you find the perfect deal to give up Faried or Gallo then you do it, if you can get a solid young prospect or a future pick of some sort for guys like Foye or Hickson you trade them. I just do not see any reason to do a deal if you are not coming out better off for the future as this team is too young to try to go for it now. Give it a year or two, then you start worrying about adding a final piece, until then keep adding talented young players and picks.

303_Nuggets · Post #12 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 8:18 pm

I'm with you on Nurkic, Jokic, Mudiay, and Lauvergne are essential in creating a playoff team. They will all becone allstars at one point in their career. I really do think the Nuggets are 1 big player away from becoming a playoff team. Maybe finding a way to trade for Boogie. I feel like he would fit Malone's system going back to their days in Sacramento.

Post #13 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 8:29 pm

I do not see Joffrey becoming and allstar but I do see him being a very good 3rd big or 5th starter type. I do however see Gary Harris being a good starting SG long term.

Also I do not see the point in trading for Cousins in the near future, why not see what you have with the young bigs and let the backcourt have time to develop before you go adding a player that is either going to demand to win now or force his way out in 2 years.

303_Nuggets · Post #14 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 8:40 pm

I do see Harris evolving into a genuine SG. I just think he may need a better veteran leader that can mentor him. Maybe another SG. Mike Miller is there just for fun. But now that they waived Kostas Papanikulo, I feel that miller will get a bit more plating time. But Gary needs a mentor, and I don't believe Foye is that mentor.

Post #15 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 9:30 pm

I agree that Foye is not that mentor, but Nelson is a good mentor, knows what it takes to win, and how to play off the dominant bigs. Foye I would hope is gone by the deadline, but either way his contract expires so he will be gone at the end of the year so he should be gone in 5 months or so. Miller is there for fun, but he also has been on championship teams and can teach these guys what it takes to get to that level. Miller was reportedly done as an effective player 3 different times now, so he knows how to adjust his game and keep a good attitude and is reportedly a great teammate so I would not discount him totally.

303_Nuggets · Post #16 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 9:36 pm

Agreed. I feel like Nelson is a good leader, a da good mentor to the gaurds. I would much rather have Foye out by February that way we don't completely lose out on something/anything, a draft pick, role players.. something

skywalker33 · Post #17 » by **skywalker33** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 11:01 pm

You MAY see some small deal, like Foye or Hickson but we're not bringing in a big name like DeRozen. As you pointed out, we need to take that next step, but we're not ready to, we doing just fine in our development. Babies don't go from crawling to running overnight....same concept here. Shaw cost us two good years of growing up but Malone seems to have righted the ship, just give it time, don't panic.

303_Nuggets · Post #18 » by **303_Nuggets** » Fri Jan 8, 2016 11:08 pm

skywalker33 wrote:You MAY see some small deal, like Foye or Hickson but we're not bringing in a big name like DeRozen. As you pointed out, we need to take that next step, but we're not ready to, we doing just fine in our development. Babies don't go from crawling to running overnight....same concept here. Shaw cost us two good years of growing up but Malone seems to have righted the ship, just give it time, don't panic.

To be honest I just want to see the Kroenke's work up a deal with a solid piece. I agree with Foye and Hickson being moved. JJ has a big contract so it should clear up some cap space.

Powder Blue · Post #19 » by **Powder Blue** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 1:28 am

The Rebel wrote:I do not see Joffrey becoming and allstar but I do see him being a very good 3rd big or 5th starter type. I do however see Gary Harris being a good starting SG long term.

Also I do not see the point in trading for Cousins in the near future, why not see what you have with the young bigs and let the backcourt have time to develop before you go adding a player that is either going to demand to win now or force his way out in 2 years.

I've always thought you were on the fence when it comes to Harris, what you've seen this season leads you to believe Harris can be a starting 2? Where do you put him, Top 10/15/20? To me he still seems in over his head (and undersized) at the starting SG spot.

Post #20 » by **The Rebel** » Sat Jan 9, 2016 2:00 am

Powder Blue wrote:
The Rebel wrote:I do not see Joffrey becoming and allstar but I do see him being a very good 3rd big or 5th starter type. I do however see Gary Harris being a good starting SG long term.

Also I do not see the point in trading for Cousins in the near future, why not see what you have with the young bigs and let the backcourt have time to develop before you go adding a player that is either going to demand to win now or force his way out in 2 years.

I've always thought you were on the fence when it comes to Harris, what you've seen this season leads you to believe Harris can be a starting 2? Where do you put him, Top 10/15/20? To me he still seems in over his head (and undersized) at the starting SG spot.

Right now I see him about average at starting SG (sorry state of the league) and he may end up working himself into the top 10 but never an all star type. The thing is he is okay on offense but an outstanding defender someone slightly undersized and as young as he is.