Noel for Murray

BallinBen · Post #1 » by **BallinBen** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:16 am

Noel for Murray straight up, get it done.

Post #2 » by **NuggetsWY** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:23 am

Let's see; Philly has too many centers and needs to trade one, check. Denver has two centers and a third center/PF and has no need for another center. Oops. I'm think this is no deal. Sorry. But nice try.

skywalker33 · Post #3 » by **skywalker33** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:36 am

Ya, benefits PHI only...add the LAL #1 maybe we'll talk

Zaccai · Post #4 » by **Zaccai** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 4:05 am

This will make me laugh

skywalker33 · Post #5 » by **skywalker33** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 4:14 am

Zaccai wrote:This will make me laugh

If you're looking for laughter, just look at your own team, loads of laughs there !!

Riko · Post #6 » by **Riko** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 5:44 am

I really like the ideas of Noel next to jokic and if they were both rookies I wuold do it. But Noel next year he will end his rookie deal and he is going to get paid a lot of money while Denver needs all the possible cap in the next summer.
So no.

Post #7 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 10:58 am

I am not sold on Noel ever being as good as Tyson Chandler, and do not really see the appeal of a center that is worthless on offense.

Post #8 » by **NuggetsWY** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 2:33 pm

Riko wrote:I really like the ideas of Noel next to jokic and if they were both rookies I wuold do it. But Noel next year he will end his rookie deal and he is going to get paid a lot of money while Denver needs all the possible cap in the next summer.
So no.

Nurkic next to Jokic seems like a better match to me. Not sure Malone wants twin towers though and in this era of small ball, not sure how well it would work. I see Noel as a taller version of Faried and statistically, they are fairly close. Just not seeing Noel's value regardless of where Philly values him.

The Rebel wrote:I am not sold on Noel ever being as good as Tyson Chandler, and do not really see the appeal of a center that is worthless on offense.

Exactly, his a center whose statistics matchup with Faried's stats. Just no reason to trade for him. He's not going to be a game changer - not even with his great highlight videos on YouTube. Faried averages one block a game, Noel two - and blocked shots seems to be Noel's so-called specialty.

BallinBen · Post #9 » by **BallinBen** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 4:01 pm

Riko wrote:I really like the ideas of Noel next to jokic and if they were both rookies I wuold do it. But Noel next year he will end his rookie deal and he is going to get paid a lot of money while Denver needs all the possible cap in the next summer.
So no.

What do you need the money for, you aren't getting any big free agents. DWade used you guys as bait for Mia and Chicago. You are a small market that isn't close to contending for a championship. Jokic and Nurkic don't complement each other well, and you have too many shooting guards.

skywalker33 · Post #10 » by **skywalker33** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 4:45 pm

BallinBen wrote:
Riko wrote:I really like the ideas of Noel next to jokic and if they were both rookies I wuold do it. But Noel next year he will end his rookie deal and he is going to get paid a lot of money while Denver needs all the possible cap in the next summer.
So no.

What do you need the money for, you aren't getting any big free agents. DWade used you guys as bait for Mia and Chicago. You are a small market that isn't close to contending for a championship. Jokic and Nurkic don't complement each other well, and you have too many shooting guards.

Just because your crappy offer got stomped on doesn't give you any right to disparage the Nuggets. We're a lot closer to winning than PHI, deal with it.

BallinBen · Post #11 » by **BallinBen** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 6:05 pm

No you aren't. You have added only Jamal Murray to a bad team, we have added Simmons, Saric, Embiid, Bayless, Henderson, and Rodriguez. We play in the Eastern conference too. You don't have a player with all star potential to me either, sorry but the Sixers are farther along than you think.

skywalker33 · Post #12 » by **skywalker33** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 6:27 pm

BallinBen wrote:No you aren't. You have added only Jamal Murray to a bad team, we have added Simmons, Saric, Embiid, Bayless, Henderson, and Rodriguez. We play in the Eastern conference too. You don't have a player with all star potential to me either, sorry but the Sixers are farther along than you think.

And yet I'd bet you're STILL a bottom 3 team :roll:

Riko · Post #13 » by **Riko** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 7:17 pm

Nuggets managment have clear plan for the future and that's the important:
Clear the cap for next summer, try to get a superstar and than trade for another with all the assets Nuggets have. Basically what Huston made but Denver has a lot more assets and a lot more of cap space.
If TC can't signs a superstar next summer let the young grow together and try again the following year.

And, sixers are in worst position than denver only because they don't have logic, awesome group of young talent but all in the same position: Okafor (c-pf), embiid (c), noel (c-pf), saric (pf), simmons (sf-pf) and, even these talent, have some serious lack that kill their trade value. The other player are borderline garbage.

Coeur · Post #14 » by **Coeur** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 7:38 pm

BallinBen wrote:
Riko wrote:I really like the ideas of Noel next to jokic and if they were both rookies I wuold do it. But Noel next year he will end his rookie deal and he is going to get paid a lot of money while Denver needs all the possible cap in the next summer.
So no.

What do you need the money for, you aren't getting any big free agents. DWade used you guys as bait for Mia and Chicago. You are a small market that isn't close to contending for a championship. Jokic and Nurkic don't complement each other well, and you have too many shooting guards.

then do Noel for Gary Harris and Joffrey Laverne (and jammeer Nelson)

MidMountain · Post #15 » by **MidMountain** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 7:48 pm

BallinBen wrote:No you aren't. You have added only Jamal Murray to a bad team, we have added Simmons, Saric, Embiid, Bayless, Henderson, and Rodriguez. We play in the Eastern conference too. You don't have a player with all star potential to me either, sorry but the Sixers are farther along than you think.

Except that we also added Beasley, Hernangomez, and Chandler...
I'm glad that you have shared your expert opinion about the all-star potential of the Nuggets players...
Sorry, but the Nuggets are farther along than you think.

Logan18 · Post #16 » by **Logan18** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 7:57 pm

Coeur wrote:
BallinBen wrote:
Riko wrote:I really like the ideas of Noel next to jokic and if they were both rookies I wuold do it. But Noel next year he will end his rookie deal and he is going to get paid a lot of money while Denver needs all the possible cap in the next summer.
So no.

What do you need the money for, you aren't getting any big free agents. DWade used you guys as bait for Mia and Chicago. You are a small market that isn't close to contending for a championship. Jokic and Nurkic don't complement each other well, and you have too many shooting guards.
then do Noel for Gary Harris and Joffrey Laverne (and jammeer Nelson)

How about Gary Harris for Ben Simmons?

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RRFB · Post #17 » by **RRFB** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 8:11 pm

I always think it's sad when someone proposes a trade and then resorts to bashing the other team when their fans don't like it. If your team is so much farther along than ours, why do you want our players?

I had some interest in trading our pick this year for Noel before the draft, but not after Murray fell to #7. Noel is due for a big pay day next summer and he's still a fairly unknown commodity. Considering we already have two younger, better, and cheaper centers, I want nothing to do with that situation.

skywalker33 · Post #18 » by **skywalker33** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 8:17 pm

Coeur wrote:
BallinBen wrote:
Riko wrote:I really like the ideas of Noel next to jokic and if they were both rookies I wuold do it. But Noel next year he will end his rookie deal and he is going to get paid a lot of money while Denver needs all the possible cap in the next summer.
So no.

What do you need the money for, you aren't getting any big free agents. DWade used you guys as bait for Mia and Chicago. You are a small market that isn't close to contending for a championship. Jokic and Nurkic don't complement each other well, and you have too many shooting guards.
then do Noel for Gary Harris and Joffrey Laverne (and jammeer Nelson)

Why would the Nuggets add value to an already crappy offer ?

BallinBen · Post #19 » by **BallinBen** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 8:18 pm

MidMountain wrote:
BallinBen wrote:No you aren't. You have added only Jamal Murray to a bad team, we have added Simmons, Saric, Embiid, Bayless, Henderson, and Rodriguez. We play in the Eastern conference too. You don't have a player with all star potential to me either, sorry but the Sixers are farther along than you think.

Except that we also added Beasley, Hernangomez, and Chandler...
I'm glad that you have shared your expert opinion about the all-star potential of the Nuggets players...
Sorry, but the Nuggets are farther along than you think.

I like how you still didn't name an all star caliber player :lol:

. You will not be getting a big free agent, ruining your little plan by the way. Your teams master plan should never hinge on a bad small market team to sign a superstar. That's why you get them through the draft. And you have two centers too. And FYI Simmons will be our PG.

Coeur · Post #20 » by **Coeur** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 8:29 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:
BallinBen wrote:
What do you need the money for, you aren't getting any big free agents. DWade used you guys as bait for Mia and Chicago. You are a small market that isn't close to contending for a championship. Jokic and Nurkic don't complement each other well, and you have too many shooting guards.
then do Noel for Gary Harris and Joffrey Laverne (and jammeer Nelson)

Why would the Nuggets add value to an already crappy offer ?

i think Murray has more value than Harris and Joffrey. (I think Noel does too- which is why I'd make that trade).

Noel is def not a need though. Just a chipping up in value type move. I think Murray becomes very good and wonder of the chances of selling high on Gary Harris while he has "starter value"? I believe Barton could adequately fill the role Harris will eventually settle into