Harris Is Underrated

Post #1 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:19 pm

https://nugglove.com/2017/06/12/underrated-player-harris/
Article says Harris is the most underrated Nugget and I'd probably have to agree. Of course we talk about Jokic and Murray has gotten a lot of discussion. We talk about the veterans all the time (good and bad). Even Hernangomez & Beasley receive more discussion than Harris. Plumlee & Mudiay definitely get more press/discussion. Perhaps Miller & Hibbert are the only Nuggets getting less press/discussion - but now we're reaching.

Harris isn't flashy (except for an occasional drive-dunk). He doesn't make a lot of noise himself. He just does his job - and a mighty fine job he does. He is about as consistent as any shooter in the league. He always gives a solid effort. There are not many SGs that I would trade him for, maybe just 2 or 3, if that many. I may take his quiet consistency for granted, but you won't see me wanting the Nuggets to get rid of him!

MrMorrow · Post #2 » by **MrMorrow** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:48 pm

How would you rate Harris' defense?

skywalker33 · Post #3 » by **skywalker33** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:16 pm

MrMorrow wrote:How would you rate Harris' defense?

Here's easily OUR best defender on the team but overall I'd give him a B+

Post #4 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:37 pm

I agree he is underrated and does not get the credit he deserves. My one problem with him is that he has yet to put it all together on both ends, some games he is great on offense others on defense, and occasionally he has those games where he is solid on both ends. He needs to become more consistent on both ends every game, and I think he will as he matures.

GlenRiceARoni · Post #5 » by **GlenRiceARoni** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:14 pm

I think hes a good defender. His stats were a bit skewed by tearing his groin at the beginning of the year.

The nugs still need some help on the defensive end but this is no longer a defensive sport really.

If you cant score you cant win. And the nuggets may be the best offensive team ever assembled this season.

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Post #6 » by **NuggetsWY** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:41 pm

The Rebel wrote:I agree he is underrated and does not get the credit he deserves. My one problem with him is that he has yet to put it all together on both ends, some games he is great on offense others on defense, and occasionally he has those games where he is solid on both ends. He needs to become more consistent on both ends every game, and I think he will as he matures.

Sure enough true, but we need to remember he's just 22 - even if he has played 3 years. Physically, a man matures physically in his early 20's. He reaches his peak in the NBA around 25-28. I'm willing to wait for him - I still believe.

U hova · Post #7 » by **U hova** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:55 am

His on-ball slashing really improved this year, and one of the things he's always had is a great instinct for when to cut to the rim. You couldn't find a better teammate for Jokic if you tried.

clyde21 · Post #8 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:01 pm

Really underrated, IMO. 15/3/3 with a 61 TS% and 16 PER as a third year player?

Joel Embust · Post #9 » by **Joel Embust** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 11:52 am

Those post AS numbers, so elite.

Post #10 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:48 pm

Eleqtrique wrote:

Those post AS numbers, so elite.

Nice; they are indeed elite, but even his pre-all-star numbers aren't too bad. But he gets little national attention.

psimanic1 · Post #11 » by **psimanic1** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 11:18 am

It would be nice if he could get FTA to 5-6 per game. He could be 20ppg player easily, and with Millsap and Jokic both being good passers, maybe we should expect something like that in next season?

Post #12 » by **NuggetsWY** » Mon Jul 3, 2017 1:36 pm

psimanic1 wrote:It would be nice if he could get FTA to 5-6 per game. He could be 20ppg player easily, and with Millsap and Jokic both being good passers, maybe we should expect something like that in next season?

His FTAs went up this year and it's probably because of Jokic's passes when he was cutting to the rim. He certainly does that well. I've never seen him as a drive-type player but he seems to have the skill to do that. Of course with Jokic standing at the FT line, it sorta' clogs the lane a little, but totally agree with you. 5-6 FTA per game would be great. He had 11 FGA this year and IMO he should be taking at least 15. He doesn't always shoot even when he's open and he has such a sweet shot that it just seems he should shoot more. I'm not saying like Steph Curry. He thinks he's open with two guys on him and that works for him. Harris could still be reasonable, conservative and unselfish (his character) while taking 15 FGA per game and I would think at least 5 should be 3s. That will help open up the offense for everyone. More FTAs & more FGAs and with his athleticism at the rim and his smooth stroke, he'll be 20+ ppg.

Post #13 » by **NuggetsWY** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:01 pm

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/7/31/16067380/gary-harris-all-star-jamal-murray-denver-nuggets-future-nba-rank-guard

Nice article on Gary Harris - obviously the writer agrees with my opinion - do not trade Gary Harris. His statistical analysis shows Harris as better than most and right behind Harden, Reggie Miller, Sydney Monecrief - sure, statistics can be twisted to say almost anything, but that's still impressive.

The write-up is good, even if you aren't a statistical geek.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #14 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Tue Aug 1, 2017 4:23 am

I feel like his D is solid but the stats often say otherwise. Hope he can step it up this year on the defensive side.

although I feel like part of it is that our team D is just a joke.

Powder Blue · Post #15 » by **Powder Blue** » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:38 pm

I know I'm in the minority but I think Harris is overrated by Nuggets fans on here. He's a fine 3rd-4th player but he has yet to pass the eye-test as a max player to me. Most call him a 3-D guy, if you're paying your 3-D guy max dollars you're not leaving room to pay true stars. I know we're not paying him max yet, but we might and I don' think that's wise.

I know he's young and I know he was coming off an injury but even post ASB he (and the PG) were getting torched night after night by opposing backcourts. Yes his stats were solid, he efficiently put up 16/3/3 when healthy....but to rate him as highly as you all do I need to see 22-25 ppg and see him win some games in the 4th.

Post #16 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:55 pm

Powder Blue wrote:I know I'm in the minority but I think Harris is overrated by Nuggets fans on here. He's a fine 3rd-4th player but he has yet to pass the eye-test as a max player to me. Most call him a 3-D guy, if you're paying your 3-D guy max dollars you're not leaving room to pay true stars. I know we're not paying him max yet, but we might and I don' think that's wise.

I know he's young and I know he was coming off an injury but even post ASB he (and the PG) were getting torched night after night by opposing backcourts. Yes his stats were solid, he efficiently put up 16/3/3 when healthy....but to rate him as highly as you all do I need to see 22-25 ppg and see him win some games in the 4th.

Well, I'm guilty of having a bit of a man-crush on Harris but I agree with you that he's a "3rd-4th player". I'll also agree that he probably doesn't deserve a max-contract, but I think he deserves a very large bump. How much? I'd say at least $8-10m. That puts him above Arthur and the third highest paid player on the Nuggets (for now).

As for "getting torched"; I'll blame that on the foolish defensive scheme with our guards trailing over the top of picks, leaving their guy with the ball and a big against one of our bigs. That scheme makes both our bigs and our guards look bad, not to mention leaving our team at 29th in the league on defense.

Coeur · Post #17 » by **Coeur** » Sat Aug 5, 2017 4:37 am

Harris definitely isn't Underrated. The reason I like the idea of trading him is because he is at his peak value. Using him as the key piece in a consolidation trade (esp if Nelson or even aurthur or both were included) would be genius.

Not taking Donovan Mitchell will just keep looking dumber and dumber. I liked TJ leaf a lot too and would even prefer him over 2 end of the bench forwards.

skywalker33 · Post #18 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Aug 5, 2017 5:12 am

Coeur wrote:Harris definitely isn't Underrated. The reason I like the idea of trading him is because he is at his peak value. Using him as the key piece in a consolidation trade (esp if Nelson or even aurthur or both were included) would be genius.

Not taking Donovan Mitchell will just keep looking dumber and dumber. I liked TJ leaf a lot too and would even prefer him over 2 end of the bench forwards.

Well, said it before you're entitled to your opinion but, man, I think that statement is whack. Since when is a 22yr old at his peak ?? His value is high but most athletes don't peak until about 25-27yrs old so he certainly has room to grow IMO.

I too am one who has questioned the trade, Lydon was a head-scratcher for me but I am will to see what Lyles has to offer since he was the centerpiece for the Nuggets in that trade.

Coeur · Post #19 » by **Coeur** » Sat Aug 5, 2017 9:04 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Harris definitely isn't Underrated. The reason I like the idea of trading him is because he is at his peak value. Using him as the key piece in a consolidation trade (esp if Nelson or even aurthur or both were included) would be genius.

Not taking Donovan Mitchell will just keep looking dumber and dumber. I liked TJ leaf a lot too and would even prefer him over 2 end of the bench forwards.

Well, said it before you're entitled to your opinion but, man, I think that statement is whack. Since when is a 22yr old at his peak ?? His value is high but most athletes don't peak until about 25-27yrs old so he certainly has room to grow IMO.

I too am one who has questioned the trade, Lydon was a head-scratcher for me but I am will to see what Lyles has to offer since he was the centerpiece for the Nuggets in that trade.

His value is at its peak not his production. Imo his salary goes up higher than his production. And I think he's closer to his ceiling than the average NBA player at this stage in his career because of size limitations. And not just size but his role won't really expand at the same pace as salary either. W Murray his role will likely expand greatly and his production will (both hopefully-probably)

Right now you still get Benifit of "potential" w Harris value in a trade. I like his game and person. Just think the team badly needs consolidation trades and think he could be more value in a trade than his future at a big salary will bring.

Just in no way underrated. Fans here see him too high. Imo fans around the league see him too low but just a bit too low. Still pretty valued. So that's about how value of most guys is supposed to sit right?

Post #20 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sat Aug 5, 2017 12:45 pm

Coeur wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Harris definitely isn't Underrated. The reason I like the idea of trading him is because he is at his peak value. Using him as the key piece in a consolidation trade (esp if Nelson or even aurthur or both were included) would be genius.

Not taking Donovan Mitchell will just keep looking dumber and dumber. I liked TJ leaf a lot too and would even prefer him over 2 end of the bench forwards.

Well, said it before you're entitled to your opinion but, man, I think that statement is whack. Since when is a 22yr old at his peak ?? His value is high but most athletes don't peak until about 25-27yrs old so he certainly has room to grow IMO.

I too am one who has questioned the trade, Lydon was a head-scratcher for me but I am will to see what Lyles has to offer since he was the centerpiece for the Nuggets in that trade.

His value is at its peak not his production. Imo his salary goes up higher than his production. And I think he's closer to his ceiling than the average NBA player at this stage in his career because of size limitations. And not just size but his role won't really expand at the same pace as salary either. W Murray his role will likely expand greatly and his production will (both hopefully-probably)

Right now you still get Benifit of "potential" w Harris value in a trade. I like his game and person. Just think the team badly needs consolidation trades and think he could be more value in a trade than his future at a big salary will bring.

Just in no way underrated. Fans here see him too high. Imo fans around the league see him too low but just a bit too low. Still pretty valued. So that's about how value of most guys is supposed to sit right?

Hmm, "size limitations"? He can guard most PGs and he's certainly bigger than them. His wingspan is 6'7", meaning he can even switch on most SFs and guard them. He can hit the open three. He's about the best Nugget we have at cutting to the basket and he finishes with no fear. Doesn't sound like his size is an issue and I'd be happy with 2016-2017 Harris as our starting SG for several years to come (or until we land someone better). Speaking of better; have you looked at his ranking in shooting percentages? He's at the top or very close to it for all SGs and even most players.

Besides, trading Harris & Murray is a "consolidation trade" but they can both be on the Nuggets long-term while Irving will go FA in 2 years (as is his right). In those two years with Irving, the Nuggets can make the playoffs but they will not be able to compete with the top 3-4 teams in the West. Keeping Harris & Murray there is a hope that in 3-4 years the Nuggets might very well be able to compete with the elite of the West. Guarantee? Nope, but it's a better chance than with Irving - long term.

P.S. Feel free to substitute "Bledsoe" for "Irving" in any of the above, including the "2 years" because that's what he's got left on his contract.