The Rebel wrote:skywalker33 wrote:The Rebel wrote:I actually feel bad for Faried, and see this type of stuff said about Faried but it is not really true. Faried did add that little mini hook and developed a low post game under Shaw, under Malone he has improved his defense somewhat. The issue was that under Shaw he was working on the wrong part of his game, Karl had him working on his jumpshot and while it was far from dependable, he was developing that 15 footer his 2nd year in the league, but never tried it under Shaw. Shaw screwed up his development and Faried's attitude sucked to where his effort was questionable that 2nd year under Shaw and early after Malone was hired, but he has added things to his game over the years.
That being said going into the offseason I was adamant that we needed a better starting SF, I understand why we signed Millsap, but Faried needed to be moved before we signed Millsap or at least Plumlee. Faried is a starter on a team with a spread 5, or he is a hell of a 3rd big, but with Plumlee they obviously do not fit. So we need a PF that has somewhat dependable range, and it is not like Plumlee or Millsap is going anywhere anytime soon so Faried needs to be moved. That is one reason I would have preferred they signed Bogut and Withey as backup Centers (would have been cheaper and preserved the cap space as well) and made Faried the 3rd big in a 3 big rotation with Bogut getting a handful of minutes occasionally.
Lyles is only better than Faried at shooting, but Lyles with Plumlee is going to be a better pairing than Faried and Plumlee and there is really no way to argue otherwise.
Whether you believe Faried has worked on his game or not, I just don’t and never have seen it. He has undoubtedly heard/been told the deficiencies in his game but we’ve seen no signs of the things that would elevate his game/career. I’ve always liked and supported the Manimal but if you’re going to let the game pass you by, what can you expect ?
As for what the FO should have done, in a perfect world Faried should’ve been moved prior to the Milsap signing or even the trade for Lyles. However you complain about what we got for moving Gallo yet we are probably looking for less of a return on Faried because of what’s left on his contract, which I’m not saying is terrible but in this age of salary cap preservation .....Add in the fact it takes two in any trade and a very small trade market for an undersized, non-shooting, lack of defense PF...I’m sure the FO tried, short-sighted to think they havent
If you believe that Faried has not improved any part of his game than you need to go watch some games from his rookie year.
As for what the front office got for Gallo, they took a **** deal for no reason other than to do a favor for Gallo, and helped a conference rival in the process. There was no benefit to the Nuggets and I would love to hear you try to argue otherwise.
We do not know what they would get for Faried, but I would really love to know why you hate him so much? I think I know you well enough to realize that it is not lack of IQ but maybe I am wrong. Fact is Faried was a better defender than most of the team last year, many advanced stats show that as the truth, and anybody watching with an unbiased eye could see how much his help defense helped last year while GAllo and Chandler hid in the corners doing as little as possible. The only confirmed rumors of the Nuggets trying to trade Faried are all for good returns.
Connelly has a long habit of holding off on trading players until their value is gone and he is forced to trade them, he is doing the exact same thing now, and trying to defend it by saying you are sure they tried is crap. We all know this front offices history, and I would say that it is much more likely they are busy holding out for the perfect return.
You can use that “you need to watch games” line on non-Nugget fans, but I do watch 90% of their games. I’ve been hearing Faried should be working on his mid-range shooting and his defense for the past 5 years, if he’s working on it like he should I would’ve expected to see SOME results by now. Regardless of who the coach is, it should be clearly visible that he can consistently shoot a 15 footer and he can’t. I do agree he made some strides with his defense last year but he still isn’t a very good man-on defender, and with all his athleticism he should already be after working on it for so long.
And let’s be honest, the FO has wanted Faried gone ever since he signed his last contract, you’ve noted several trade attempts in many of your own posts so the efforts has clearly been there so it’s not crap. Whether they’re overvaluing his trade return or not, he’s still here so if they just wanted to trade him for a negative return like they did with Gallo, how happy will you guys be with the FO even if it solves a possible headache situation ? As for Gallo, agreed we could/should have received more if we traded him at the deadline but we were in a playoff hunt at that time so I can see their hesitation. Also agree if they were going to facilitate a trade it should have been to an East coast team but his only opportunity may have been the Clippers, so we settled to appease a player that was loyal to us during his tenure here. I’ll agree with your stance of TC, just doesn’t seem very ruthless as a VP, definitely would prefer that but perhaps that’s part of his approach to making a small market look appealing to FAs, that’s the only reasoning I can think of.
And to ”factualize” the FO as holding out for the perfect return while me saying it could be salary cap holdups and you ignoring that just seems again that you are trying some self-justifying BS to me. So many moves are made/not made based on salary cap implications and with $26M left on his contract for a backup position (more than likely) Faried isn’t as appealing to many other teams regardless of what you want to think.
No I don’t hate Faried, always been a fan but I am also a realist. He’s never really HAD to work on his game until now. No one has ever really challenged his position on the team before Milsap arrived so instead of accepting a superior player and being a team first player he wants to thump his chest and make waves IMO. Guess I’m old school, I don’t really care for that thinking it could’ve been more in an “I accept the challenge, may the best man win” approach, but I say that in 20/20 hindsight.
Faried can have a strong place on this team if he wants to put his ego aside. He’ll be paid handsomely and probably get some mins as well. I’d love to see him go to BOS for the MEM 1st, seems like a good fit for both teams but I expect the Manimal to play out his contract or be bought out ( less likely ).
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