SF, Going Forward

[SoCalNuggsFan]

This post might get a little long-winded, so apologies in advance. My reason for writing this is, with the long term signing of plumlee, the likely opt in of DA, and the FO trying to extend Barton and Harris this year, it looks like my preferred rout of making a run at a star SF next offseason is out the window. It also doesn’t look like they have any interest in trading any of the young guys for a big upgrade there, either. Which is good with me.

So the next step, in my opinion, is to find a SF that is a good fit, both in terms of play style and in terms of timeline.

First, one of our own, Juancho Hernangomez. We’ve all probably seen most or all of Juancho’s minutes, so we all have a good idea of what he does well and not so well. I think he’s a good fit offensively as a knockdown spot up shooter, hustle offensive rebounder, and pretty good finisher inside. The big question is, will he be able to improve enough physically to hang with other SFs on defense for 30 mins a game. The big positive with Juancho is that he’s already here. Don’t have to give up anything to get him.

Kelly Oubre. A favorite trade target from some on this board last year. Still very raw, but good length and athleticism, good shooter, good potential as a finisher and defender. With so much money tied up between Wall, Beal and Porter, it’s tough to see Washington being able to keep him around after his rookie deal unless they think a team with him as the 4th best player can be championship quality. For that reason, the price to acquire him might end up a little less than what it would be in a vacuum.

Taurean Prince. 6’8 220, good NBA size and athleticism. Averaged 12/6/2/1.5/1 per 36 last year. Only shot 40% from the field and 32% from 3, but 79% from the line indicates he may be, or at least develop into, a better shooter than that. Atlanta is in rebuilding mode, so probably won’t be too eager to give up young players, but might be willing to trade a guy that projects as a good role player for a first rounder and a shot at finding a Real building block in the draft.

Jaylen Brown. 3rd overall pick that worked his way into the rotation of a contender his rookie year. Great defensive potential, looks like he’ll become a good at everything, not great at anything offensive player. Looked like a stud at times during summer league. It’s not easy to imagine being able to get him without giving up either Murray or Harris, but it is possible that their 2 blue chip prospects, Brown and Tatum, won’t be effective on the court together, since they play the same position. If that was the case, they might be willing to move him for a few players/picks that fit better with Tatum.

So, which route do you go? One of these guys or someone else?

[HoopsMalone]

Well personally, I like Juancho at the 4 long term. I'm a pretty big fan of his but I don't think he's quick/athletic enough to be a great 3. Though he can clearly get on the floor there.

Prince looks like a good one. Jaylen could still go either way but I think he ends up being pretty good. Not a fan of Oubre at all.

If I could pick one to play the 3 for the next decade I would go with Jaylen since he has a well rounded skill set and his shot really improved in the 2nd half of last year.

[Alatan]

No way would i give Murray or Harris for Brown or any non allstar player. NO WAY !!! Even for an allstar i doubt i would do it.

Atlanta does not want to give us young players for old players.
I doubt we have anything that Washington needs and we are willing to give.

Hernangomez is a nice offensive player with nice potential but i dont think he can guard the perimeter. I think he is ultimately a new age 4 that can get some minutes at the 3. PF/SF. For now he is our best fit at the 3 offensively. Maybe im wrong and he develops to a decent perimeter defender. I think that Gallinari is a nice comparison for what he could become.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

No way would i give Murray or Harris for Brown or any non allstar player. NO WAY !!! Even for an allstar i doubt i would do it.

Atlanta does not want to give us young players for old players.
I doubt we have anything that Washington needs and we are willing to give.

Hernangomez is a nice offensive player with nice potential but i dont think he can guard the perimeter. I think he is ultimately a new age 4 that can get some minutes at the 3. PF/SF. For now he is our best fit at the 3 offensively. Maybe im wrong and he develops to a decent perimeter defender. I think that Gallinari is a nice comparison for what he could become.

That’s why I specifically said draft compensation is the way that one would have to go down.

Also think I made it pretty clear that fit issues could allow us to be able to put together an acceptable package for Brown that doesn’t include Murray or Harris

[Alatan]

I still think we should try to get someone in free agency. Find a way to trade Faried, Arthur, Barton if Beasley doesnt show much and maybe even Plumlee. Consolidation would be good but i doubt we do it. Draft is also a place to find good 3 n D wings.

I hate the idea of trading Murray, Harris or even Hernangomez. They are young player with great potential on rookie contracts except Harris. They are good shooters, off ball players and unselfish so they fit perfectly in the offense. Harris and Murray show promise on D too and Hernangomez might also be a + defender depending on position.

I would love if we could get PG/KD but i doubt it will happen.

[Alatan]

No way would i give Murray or Harris for Brown or any non allstar player. NO WAY !!! Even for an allstar i doubt i would do it.

Atlanta does not want to give us young players for old players.
I doubt we have anything that Washington needs and we are willing to give.

Hernangomez is a nice offensive player with nice potential but i dont think he can guard the perimeter. I think he is ultimately a new age 4 that can get some minutes at the 3. PF/SF. For now he is our best fit at the 3 offensively. Maybe im wrong and he develops to a decent perimeter defender. I think that Gallinari is a nice comparison for what he could become.

That’s why I specifically said draft compensation is the way that one would have to go down.

Also think I made it pretty clear that fit issues could allow us to be able to put together an acceptable package for Brown that doesn’t include Murray or Harris

You forget that you are dealing with the Celtics. There is no way in HELL that they would give more for less. Our picks are not projected to be high so they dont have much value and i dont think it is smart to give multiple picks. The second thing is that i dont like Brown at all as a prospect. He is not a good shooter and is lost on D. His athleticism is overrated. The other prospects are meh and are on rebuilding teams.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

I still think we should try to get someone in free agency. Find a way to trade Faried, Arthur, Barton if Beasley doesnt show much and maybe even Plumlee. Consolidation would be good but i doubt we do it. Draft is also a place to find good 3 n D wings.

I hate the idea of trading Murray, Harris or even Hernangomez. They are young player with great potential on rookie contracts except Harris. They are good shooters, off ball players and unselfish so they fit perfectly in the offense. Harris and Murray show promise on D too and Hernangomez might also be a + defender depending on position.

I would love if we could get PG/KD but i doubt it will happen.

That’s what I’ve wanted to do for the last year. Getting off 1 year of faried and DA would’ve been doable, but now we’d also have to shed 2/27 in plumlee and the FO wants to lock in Harris and Barton before free agency, so I can’t see us having any cap room.

[Alatan]

I still think we should try to get someone in free agency. Find a way to trade Faried, Arthur, Barton if Beasley doesnt show much and maybe even Plumlee. Consolidation would be good but i doubt we do it. Draft is also a place to find good 3 n D wings.

I hate the idea of trading Murray, Harris or even Hernangomez. They are young player with great potential on rookie contracts except Harris. They are good shooters, off ball players and unselfish so they fit perfectly in the offense. Harris and Murray show promise on D too and Hernangomez might also be a + defender depending on position.

I would love if we could get PG/KD but i doubt it will happen.

That’s what I’ve wanted to do for the last year. Getting off 1 year of faried and DA would’ve been doable, but now we’d also have to shed 2/27 in plumlee and the FO wants to lock in Harris and Barton before free agency, so I can’t see us having any cap room.

I know, it is the best route but the hardest one to pull of. Just dont trade the young guys.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

No way would i give Murray or Harris for Brown or any non allstar player. NO WAY !!! Even for an allstar i doubt i would do it.

Atlanta does not want to give us young players for old players.
I doubt we have anything that Washington needs and we are willing to give.

Hernangomez is a nice offensive player with nice potential but i dont think he can guard the perimeter. I think he is ultimately a new age 4 that can get some minutes at the 3. PF/SF. For now he is our best fit at the 3 offensively. Maybe im wrong and he develops to a decent perimeter defender. I think that Gallinari is a nice comparison for what he could become.

That’s why I specifically said draft compensation is the way that one would have to go down.

Also think I made it pretty clear that fit issues could allow us to be able to put together an acceptable package for Brown that doesn’t include Murray or Harris

You forget that you are dealing with the Celtics. There is no way in HELL that they would give more for less. Our picks are not projected to be high so they dont have much value and i dont think it is smart to give multiple picks. The second thing is that i dont like Brown at all as a prospect. He is not a good shooter and is lost on D. His athleticism is overrated. The other prospects are meh and are on rebuilding teams.

I’d argue they did that twice this last offseason. Their asset accumulation/condensation phase is coming to a close so they need to start getting players that fit with Tatum, Kyrie and Hayward. Some combination of Juancho/Beasley/Mudiay/vets/future picks to replenish the treasure chest might be able to do it if things play out right.

[Alatan]

That’s why I specifically said draft compensation is the way that one would have to go down.

Also think I made it pretty clear that fit issues could allow us to be able to put together an acceptable package for Brown that doesn’t include Murray or Harris

You forget that you are dealing with the Celtics. There is no way in HELL that they would give more for less. Our picks are not projected to be high so they dont have much value and i dont think it is smart to give multiple picks. The second thing is that i dont like Brown at all as a prospect. He is not a good shooter and is lost on D. His athleticism is overrated. The other prospects are meh and are on rebuilding teams.

I’d argue they did that twice this last offseason. Their asset accumulation/condensation phase is coming to a close so they need to start getting players that fit with Tatum, Kyrie and Hayward. Some combination of Juancho/Beasley/Mudiay/vets/future picks to replenish the treasure chest might be able to do it if things play out right.

For the future they have
KI/ Rozier at PG
Smart/Brown at SG
Tatum/Brown at SF
Tatum/? at PF
?/? at C
The next draft has a lot of bigs to fill their PF/C position.
They dont need Mudiay, Juancho is a worse fit with Tatum than Brown and i would not give him for Brown, Beasley they might want but i dont want to trade him before i see what he does. They dont need Plumlee because they need a tough rim protector, Arthur is not better than Morris and Faried they might use but is a little overpaid for them.
They also have high hopes for Brown and dont think he is a bad fit with Tatum since Brown plays sf/sg and Tatum plays sf/pf with wich i agree . If they are willing to trade Brown that means that he is probably nothing more than a decent starter and we should not take him.

[skywalker33]

Actually don't see any of the 3 being traded to Denver, Oubre might be the best shot as WAS is really capped out but none of the teams want to part with these players.

I would like to throw out a few a few draft prospects that could be possible, can't say I know enough about them but from what I've read/seen on video I like them
SF Kevin Knox 6'9" 210lbs 1-n-done at Kentucky, possibly a lottery pick. Will still be 18 upon draft day, but a smooth athletic who can score and had length, We may have to trade up to get him though

SF Emmanuel Akot 6'7" 200lbs . Chisled body and loves to play defense. Needs to work on mid-range but a good possibility.

SF Dzanan Muza 6'9" 195lbs Bosnian who can light it up. Has good court speed and will create spacing. a top 20 pick if he comes out.

SF Mikal Bridges 6'7" 205lbs. 3&D guy, has a 7'1" wingspan with a nice outside shot. Probably our best shot but this guy could move up quickly in the draft.

SF Isaac Bonga 6'9" 190. Rail skinny but has great passing skills and is a plus defender. Shooting and experience are needed as he's still a work in progress but has a very high ceiling.

[SoCalNuggsFan]

Actually don't see any of the 3 being traded to Denver, Oubre might be the best shot as WAS is really capped out but none of the teams want to part with these players.

I would like to throw out a few a few draft prospects that could be possible, can't say I know enough about them but from what I've read/seen on video I like them
SF Kevin Knox 6'9" 210lbs 1-n-done at Kentucky, possibly a lottery pick. Will still be 18 upon draft day, but a smooth athletic who can score and had length, We may have to trade up to get him though

SF Emmanuel Akot 6'7" 200lbs . Chisled body and loves to play defense. Needs to work on mid-range but a good possibility.

SF Dzanan Muza 6'9" 195lbs Bosnian who can light it up. Has good court speed and will create spacing. a top 20 pick if he comes out.

SF Mikal Bridges 6'7" 205lbs. 3&D guy, has a 7'1" wingspan with a nice outside shot. Probably our best shot but this guy could move up quickly in the draft.

SF Isaac Bonga 6'9" 190. Rail skinny but has great passing skills and is a plus defender. Shooting and experience are needed as he's still a work in progress but has a very high ceiling.

Intentionally left out draft pick as an option because I’m not big on scouting high school players, but it could definitely be an option.

[skywalker33]

Actually don't see any of the 3 being traded to Denver, Oubre might be the best shot as WAS is really capped out but none of the teams want to part with these players.

I would like to throw out a few a few draft prospects that could be possible, can't say I know enough about them but from what I've read/seen on video I like them
SF Kevin Knox 6'9" 210lbs 1-n-done at Kentucky, possibly a lottery pick. Will still be 18 upon draft day, but a smooth athletic who can score and had length, We may have to trade up to get him though

SF Emmanuel Akot 6'7" 200lbs . Chisled body and loves to play defense. Needs to work on mid-range but a good possibility.

SF Dzanan Muza 6'9" 195lbs Bosnian who can light it up. Has good court speed and will create spacing. a top 20 pick if he comes out.

SF Mikal Bridges 6'7" 205lbs. 3&D guy, has a 7'1" wingspan with a nice outside shot. Probably our best shot but this guy could move up quickly in the draft.

SF Isaac Bonga 6'9" 190. Rail skinny but has great passing skills and is a plus defender. Shooting and experience are needed as he's still a work in progress but has a very high ceiling.

Intentionally left out draft pick as an option because I’m not big on scouting high school players, but it could definitely be an option.

Yeah, I'm waiting for the college season to get into swing but this may be the best way to fill that position. Oubre does intrigue me, as WAS doesn't have a lot of money to pay him, but will we ??

[SoCalNuggsFan]

Actually don't see any of the 3 being traded to Denver, Oubre might be the best shot as WAS is really capped out but none of the teams want to part with these players.

I would like to throw out a few a few draft prospects that could be possible, can't say I know enough about them but from what I've read/seen on video I like them
SF Kevin Knox 6'9" 210lbs 1-n-done at Kentucky, possibly a lottery pick. Will still be 18 upon draft day, but a smooth athletic who can score and had length, We may have to trade up to get him though

SF Emmanuel Akot 6'7" 200lbs . Chisled body and loves to play defense. Needs to work on mid-range but a good possibility.

SF Dzanan Muza 6'9" 195lbs Bosnian who can light it up. Has good court speed and will create spacing. a top 20 pick if he comes out.

SF Mikal Bridges 6'7" 205lbs. 3&D guy, has a 7'1" wingspan with a nice outside shot. Probably our best shot but this guy could move up quickly in the draft.

SF Isaac Bonga 6'9" 190. Rail skinny but has great passing skills and is a plus defender. Shooting and experience are needed as he's still a work in progress but has a very high ceiling.

Intentionally left out draft pick as an option because I’m not big on scouting high school players, but it could definitely be an option.

Yeah, I'm waiting for the college season to get into swing but this may be the best way to fill that position. Oubre does intrigue me, as WAS doesn't have a lot of money to pay him, but will we ??

Very true. I hate how eager the FO has been to tie up long term money on bench players

[NuggetsWY]

For 3 years: Jokic - Millsap - Chandler - Harris - Murray - - - I'm good with that

Becoming: Jokic - Hernangomez - xxxxxx - Harris - Murray - - - I would not be interested in trading any of those four for a SF because that would likely leave a long-term hole in another slot - teams do well when they have four solids.

Do I wish they'd traded some vets to acquire a young SF? Sure! Would it have been nice if they'd traded some vets to acquire some cap space and/or draft picks to be used on an SF? Sure! Would it have been nice if they'd drafted a true SF instead of a Hernangomez-type plus grabbing a 3rd year PF? Sure!

But for 2-3 years, Chandler could fit just fine IMO.

[The Rebel]

Oubre cannot shoot, I don't know where the idea that he can came from as he is a sub 30% 3 point shooter.

I would prefer that we keep going with Juancho as the backup SF this year, and see what we can come away from the draft with, but for some reason it does not appear that the front office even slightly considers SF a need considering there were no rumors of them looking for one this year.

[NuggetsWY]

Oubre cannot shoot, I don't know where the idea that he can came from as he is a sub 30% 3 point shooter.

I would prefer that we keep going with Juancho as the backup SF this year, and see what we can come away from the draft with, but for some reason it does not appear that the front office even slightly considers SF a need considering there were no rumors of them looking for one this year.

Yeah, I hear ya on Oubre but I'd still like to give him a shot. Taking 2 3's per game doesn't really help a shooter show what he can do. I like a lot of his game and his young, so worth a gamble in my eyes.

If we focus on development of our young guys and try to get a young SF (or two), I think we'll be OK for a while. Just don't understand our front office not looking for a SF this year.

[MidMountain]

The market for Chandler next summer will be interesting. I reckon he'll opt out of his last year in search of an extension. A 4-year deal for a 30 year old with an injury history is too much risk, but if he gets a long-term contract offer I'm sure he'll take it.

[NuggetsWY]

The market for Chandler next summer will be interesting. I reckon he'll opt out of his last year in search of an extension. A 4-year deal for a 30 year old with an injury history is too much risk, but if he gets a long-term contract offer I'm sure he'll take it.

I find it hard to predict what the NBA GMs are going to do and how much they'll pay. If I'm a contender and only have one decent SF or need a small-ball PF, I'd want Chandler. He seems like a true team-first guy, even when he's not satisfied. Last year he said he wasn't happy with his situation, but he still gave a solid effort and adapted his game to the new style. He doesn't require being treated like a super-star and is a good 4th or 5th option.

4 years - in this market? Seems reasonable and may be his last good contract. 4th year a team option seems likely. The question is, how much? $20-25m?

[The Rebel]

Oubre cannot shoot, I don't know where the idea that he can came from as he is a sub 30% 3 point shooter.

I would prefer that we keep going with Juancho as the backup SF this year, and see what we can come away from the draft with, but for some reason it does not appear that the front office even slightly considers SF a need considering there were no rumors of them looking for one this year.

Yeah, I hear ya on Oubre but I'd still like to give him a shot. Taking 2 3's per game doesn't really help a shooter show what he can do. I like a lot of his game and his young, so worth a gamble in my eyes.

If we focus on development of our young guys and try to get a young SF (or two), I think we'll be OK for a while. Just don't understand our front office not looking for a SF this year.

They obviously feel that they don't need a dominant SF, if you look at how the Warriors were originally built starting SF was by far their weakest position, hell for years SF was considered a utility type position, then the stream of SFs starting in 2003 with Lebron and Melo came into league and people started wanting that SF.

I was very clear in that I wanted an upgrade at SF coming into the offseason, primarily because there were some very good ones available that can score and we really need a primary scorer. Now we are hoping that the young guys develop into that scorer, but I think this offseason was a missed opportunity.