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Let's try putting all potential Nuggets' trades in here for a while.

Best SF that might be available? How about Otto Porter? The question becomes, what would it take to get Washington to trade him? How much are we willing to give up?

The Wizards could be interested in a bench PF and Faried would be an expiring. So that could be start of a trade. But it will take more; maybe Chandler (maybe a sign-and-trade)? Perhaps a sign-and-trade for Barton? They could be interested in Beasley (but I'm not a fan of that).

Might they be interested in adding Mahinmi for Plumlee in there?

Porter & Mahinmi for Plumlee & Faried & Barton on a sign-and-trade?

NuggetsWY wrote:Best SF that might be available? How about Otto Porter? The question becomes, what would it take to get Washington to trade him? How much are we willing to give up?

The Wizards could be interested in a bench PF and Faried would be an expiring. So that could be start of a trade. But it will take more; maybe Chandler (maybe a sign-and-trade)? Perhaps a sign-and-trade for Barton? They could be interested in Beasley (but I'm not a fan of that).

Might they be interested in adding Mahinmi for Plumlee in there?

Porter & Mahinmi for Plumlee & Faried & Barton on a sign-and-trade?

With Porter you have to consider salary cap implications here, he's making $24M, where do we get that kinda jack/cap space while giving WAS something they want ?

skywalker33 wrote:

NuggetsWY wrote:Best SF that might be available? How about Otto Porter? The question becomes, what would it take to get Washington to trade him? How much are we willing to give up?

The Wizards could be interested in a bench PF and Faried would be an expiring. So that could be start of a trade. But it will take more; maybe Chandler (maybe a sign-and-trade)? Perhaps a sign-and-trade for Barton? They could be interested in Beasley (but I'm not a fan of that).

Might they be interested in adding Mahinmi for Plumlee in there?

Porter & Mahinmi for Plumlee & Faried & Barton on a sign-and-trade?

With Porter you have to consider salary cap implications here, he's making $24M, where do we get that kinda jack/cap space while giving WAS something they want ?

A serious issue for sure. But with Faried in the mix, that's about half of Porter's salary. A sign-and-trade can make it work with Barton or Chandler. Just adding Chandler can make it work. It won't help our salary cap for this year, but that's just because the front office has overpaid for role players. It'd be better, but no great next year.

If the Nuggets want to get a veteran SF that is of any value, especially a younger player, they are going to have to stretch a play or buyout or add a young player to a veteran in order to reduce salary.

Our only other choice is to go into next season with a roster of:

Jokic-Plumlee
Millsap-Faried-Arthur-Lyles-Hernangomez-Lydon
Chandler (maybe)
Harris-Beasley
Murray

Then they re-sign Barton and/or Jefferson and/or D.Harris and sign Craig and/or Morris.

Will that team do better next year than this year? Maybe except other teams will be improving also.

Getting Porter will cost, but he looks to be a nice fit for Denver.

Maybe the Wizards would be interested in Millsap for Porter as a core of the deal. We could use a good 3nD wing and Millsap and Jokic overlap too much to be great on offense. Wizards could use Millsap next season and then renegotiate his deal after that.

After that we could ask the Heat for J Johnson or the Jazz for Favors. Im sure the Jazz would want a player like Hernangomez or Barton.

Alatan wrote:Maybe the Wizards would be interested in Millsap for Porter as a core of the deal. We could use a good 3nD wing and Millsap and Jokic overlap too much to be great on offense. Wizards could use Millsap next season and then renegotiate his deal after that.

After that we could ask the Heat for J Johnson or the Jazz for Favors. Im sure the Jazz would want a player like Hernangomez or Barton.

Offense is not our problem, defense is and Millsap is our pitbull. While I can see this as a viable trade option for us (not sure how the Wiz will like it), your reasoning is a little off. And isn't Favors a UFA ??? I can't see us being able to afford him w/o sending Plumlee there, as Favors is best at the C position.

skywalker33 wrote:

Alatan wrote:Maybe the Wizards would be interested in Millsap for Porter as a core of the deal. We could use a good 3nD wing and Millsap and Jokic overlap too much to be great on offense. Wizards could use Millsap next season and then renegotiate his deal after that.

After that we could ask the Heat for J Johnson or the Jazz for Favors. Im sure the Jazz would want a player like Hernangomez or Barton.

Offense is not our problem, defense is and Millsap is our pitbull. While I can see this as a viable trade option for us (not sure how the Wiz will like it), your reasoning is a little off. And isn't Favors a UFA ??? I can't see us being able to afford him w/o sending Plumlee there, as Favors is best at the C position.

I agree that Millsap is our defensive pillar. Its just that he will decline sooner or later and i think we can find good defensive PFs that are younger and fit better on offense while finding a good 3nD wing is hard. Favors is a UFA but we dont have cap space so a sign and trade would be needed.

Would Tobias Harris fit on the Nuggets? He's listed by some as a SF but seems to play more like a PF. Then again, he's got some range to his shot and his fairly mobile.

If he could be acquired with Faried plus Lydon and a first ...

He's 25 and would matchup fairly well with our core in age and skill set.

NuggetsWY wrote:Would Tobias Harris fit on the Nuggets? He's listed by some as a SF but seems to play more like a PF. Then again, he's got some range to his shot and his fairly mobile.

If he could be acquired with Faried plus Lydon and a first ...

He's 25 and would matchup fairly well with our core in age and skill set.

Make it plumlee instead of faried and I’d go for it. I don’t think he’s really a long term piece because eventually we need defenders at the forward spots but he’s a nice player.

SoCalNuggsFan wrote:

NuggetsWY wrote:Would Tobias Harris fit on the Nuggets? He's listed by some as a SF but seems to play more like a PF. Then again, he's got some range to his shot and his fairly mobile.

If he could be acquired with Faried plus Lydon and a first ...

He's 25 and would matchup fairly well with our core in age and skill set.

Make it plumlee instead of faried and I’d go for it. I don’t think he’s really a long term piece because eventually we need defenders at the forward spots but he’s a nice player.

With the Clippers having DJ and Boban, what would they need with Plumlee ?? I'd be ok with Harris, he's be a rugged SF like we have in Chandler but I too see him as versatile and more well-rounded, if Clips would do it, it's not a bad idea. I would rather give a 2019 1st with minimal protections but that's just because would LAC want 12/13/14 in this draft ??

skywalker33 wrote:

SoCalNuggsFan wrote:

NuggetsWY wrote:Would Tobias Harris fit on the Nuggets? He's listed by some as a SF but seems to play more like a PF. Then again, he's got some range to his shot and his fairly mobile.

If he could be acquired with Faried plus Lydon and a first ...

He's 25 and would matchup fairly well with our core in age and skill set.

Make it plumlee instead of faried and I’d go for it. I don’t think he’s really a long term piece because eventually we need defenders at the forward spots but he’s a nice player.[/quote

With the Clippers having DJ and Boban, what would they need with Plumlee ?? I'd be ok with Harris, he's be a rugged SF like we have in Chandler but I too see him as versatile and more well-rounded, if Clips would do it, it's not a bad idea. I would rather give a 2019 1st with minimal protections but that's just because would LAC want 12/13/14 in this draft ??

Boban is usually a DNP-CD and DJ’s status with the team is up in the air. He’s probably one of the more likely “stars” to be traded this offseason.

They’d get plumlee, which would allow them to get what they can for DJ, get the first, which could be traded with one of the firsts they already have to get to 8 or 9, and get the equivalent of a single A prospect, might be something, might be nothing.

If I were the clippers, I’d be going full rebuild, and that’s not a bad start.

NuggetsWY wrote:

skywalker33 wrote:

NuggetsWY wrote:Best SF that might be available? How about Otto Porter? The question becomes, what would it take to get Washington to trade him? How much are we willing to give up?

The Wizards could be interested in a bench PF and Faried would be an expiring. So that could be start of a trade. But it will take more; maybe Chandler (maybe a sign-and-trade)? Perhaps a sign-and-trade for Barton? They could be interested in Beasley (but I'm not a fan of that).

Might they be interested in adding Mahinmi for Plumlee in there?

Porter & Mahinmi for Plumlee & Faried & Barton on a sign-and-trade?

With Porter you have to consider salary cap implications here, he's making $24M, where do we get that kinda jack/cap space while giving WAS something they want ?

A serious issue for sure. But with Faried in the mix, that's about half of Porter's salary. A sign-and-trade can make it work with Barton or Chandler. Just adding Chandler can make it work. It won't help our salary cap for this year, but that's just because the front office has overpaid for role players. It'd be better, but no great next year.

If the Nuggets want to get a veteran SF that is of any value, especially a younger player, they are going to have to stretch a play or buyout or add a young player to a veteran in order to reduce salary.

Our only other choice is to go into next season with a roster of:

Jokic-Plumlee
Millsap-Faried-Arthur-Lyles-Hernangomez-Lydon
Chandler (maybe)
Harris-Beasley
Murray

Then they re-sign Barton and/or Jefferson and/or D.Harris and sign Craig and/or Morris.

Will that team do better next year than this year? Maybe except other teams will be improving also.

Getting Porter will cost, but he looks to be a nice fit for Denver.

Teams over the luxury tax cannot get a player through a sign and trade, so we cannot sign either Chandler or Barton to send them to Washington.

SoCalNuggsFan wrote:

skywalker33 wrote:

SoCalNuggsFan wrote:

Make it plumlee instead of faried and I’d go for it. I don’t think he’s really a long term piece because eventually we need defenders at the forward spots but he’s a nice player.[/quote

With the Clippers having DJ and Boban, what would they need with Plumlee ?? I'd be ok with Harris, he's be a rugged SF like we have in Chandler but I too see him as versatile and more well-rounded, if Clips would do it, it's not a bad idea. I would rather give a 2019 1st with minimal protections but that's just because would LAC want 12/13/14 in this draft ??

Boban is usually a DNP-CD and DJ’s status with the team is up in the air. He’s probably one of the more likely “stars” to be traded this offseason.

They’d get plumlee, which would allow them to get what they can for DJ, get the first, which could be traded with one of the firsts they already have to get to 8 or 9, and get the equivalent of a single A prospect, might be something, might be nothing.

If I were the clippers, I’d be going full rebuild, and that’s not a bad start.

The only issue I see with them taking back Plumlee is that it will cut into their 2019 cap space, which right now would be enough for 2 max contracts. I doubt Doc Rivers is interested in a long term rebuild, and West at his age is probably not likely to want that either, so I think their plan is to tank next year, draft BPA this year, and than try to sign 2 max deals next summer, Plumlee would put a kink in that plan.

The Rebel wrote:

SoCalNuggsFan wrote:

skywalker33 wrote:Make it plumlee instead of faried and I’d go for it. I don’t think he’s really a long term piece because eventually we need defenders at the forward spots but he’s a nice player.[/quote

With the Clippers having DJ and Boban, what would they need with Plumlee ?? I'd be ok with Harris, he's be a rugged SF like we have in Chandler but I too see him as versatile and more well-rounded, if Clips would do it, it's not a bad idea. I would rather give a 2019 1st with minimal protections but that's just because would LAC want 12/13/14 in this draft ??

Boban is usually a DNP-CD and DJ’s status with the team is up in the air. He’s probably one of the more likely “stars” to be traded this offseason.

They’d get plumlee, which would allow them to get what they can for DJ, get the first, which could be traded with one of the firsts they already have to get to 8 or 9, and get the equivalent of a single A prospect, might be something, might be nothing.

If I were the clippers, I’d be going full rebuild, and that’s not a bad start.

The only issue I see with them taking back Plumlee is that it will cut into their 2019 cap space, which right now would be enough for 2 max contracts. I doubt Doc Rivers is interested in a long term rebuild, and West at his age is probably not likely to want that either, so I think their plan is to tank next year, draft BPA this year, and than try to sign 2 max deals next summer, Plumlee would put a kink in that plan.

Good insight. If I were them I’d axe doc and logo and hire hinkie.

Porter deal seems too good to be true, and many teams with better assets want him also, but if we add in the offer their worst contract Mahinmi, it can work! We can give 2018 1st, Plumlee, Chandler, and Faried, for WAS Porter and Mahinmi. Both teams get what they need and salary cap problem in 2019 summer will be solved by not re-sign Millsap (with improved Lyles or Juancho as PF starter), and eventually with Mahinmi trade by sacrificing our 2019 1st rounder.

I think a successful offseason would start with not trading any draft picks to Utah. Just a start.

maxwellcu wrote:I think a successful offseason would start with not trading any draft picks to Utah. Just a start.

Thanks for trolling - we've heard that from plenty of Jazz fans - it becomes tiring and just isn't necessary

IMHO is time to clean it up.
Denver roster is fill with young players who don't have enough minutes (Lydon, Morris, JH, Beasley, Lyles and, eventually 2018 rookies) and overpaid expiring players (Chandler, Arthur, Faried). It is time to decide who will play for Denver in the next few years and who won't.

I'm sure there are teams who are willing to bet on some denver's youngster and have enough cap space to take one expiring contract.

Riko wrote:IMHO is time to clean it up.
Denver roster is fill with young players who don't have enough minutes (Lydon, Morris, JH, Beasley, Lyles and, eventually 2018 rookies) and overpaid expiring players (Chandler, Arthur, Faried). It is time to decide who will play for Denver in the next few years and who won't.

I'm sure there are teams who are willing to bet on some denver's youngster and have enough cap space to take one expiring contract.

Another good writer, Ryan Blackburn seems to support your premise with this article. WY, you should LOVE this one:

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/5/4/17314010/the-nuggets-mismanaged-the-end-of-their-bench-and-it-cost-them-the-playoffs

Does bring up a point (as does Riko), is it better to improve our rotation and utilize the "rest" of the roster to keep improving just the rotational players ?? I guess, developing players can/should be trained to eventually replace/upgrade the rotation. Not sure the Nuggets FO knows how to do this last part, at least they're not good at it.

skywalker33 wrote:

Riko wrote:IMHO is time to clean it up.
Denver roster is fill with young players who don't have enough minutes (Lydon, Morris, JH, Beasley, Lyles and, eventually 2018 rookies) and overpaid expiring players (Chandler, Arthur, Faried). It is time to decide who will play for Denver in the next few years and who won't.

I'm sure there are teams who are willing to bet on some denver's youngster and have enough cap space to take one expiring contract.

Another good writer, Ryan Blackburn seems to support your premise with this article. WY, you should LOVE this one:

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2018/5/4/17314010/the-nuggets-mismanaged-the-end-of-their-bench-and-it-cost-them-the-playoffs

Does bring up a point (as does Riko), is it better to improve our rotation and utilize the "rest" of the roster to keep improving just the rotational players ?? I guess, developing players can/should be trained to eventually replace/upgrade the rotation. Not sure the Nuggets FO knows how to do this last part, at least they're not good at it.

Great article for sure, at least the start. Totally agree that the Nuggets are a better team than many that made the playoffs. Perhaps not a better team, but we certainly have better talent.

But then it starts talking "Nuggets-speak" --- full of garbage and double-talk and self-serving blather. One example goes back to Malone's continual dependence upon veterans and his blathering about young players need time to develop. Year 1 of Malone, we heard about how young players will learn in practice and from limited minutes of playing time with veterans. We just didn't hear much about how little their playing time would be since Malone never gives up and still believes his team can come back from 20 points down with 3 minutes to go. Year 2 we heard about how much of a battle we were in for a playoff slot and young players couldn't be depended on "because they haven't been there before" - and we didn't make it. Year 3 we hear about all of the improvements and we saw veterans play loads of minutes, along with our three now hard-to-stop young players --- but not many minutes from other players. Beasley even played fewer minutes than the year before, if you count G-League. Yet we didn't make the playoffs (probably because the Nuggets' front office and head coach were unaware that other teams improved also).

Totally agree that our front office/coaching staff does not know how to develop young players. I'd credit their development to their desire and self-discipline.

It amazes me that Toronto can find a solid starter for the best team in the east, in his second year. It amazes me that Utah can find a solid starter in his rookie year. It amazes me that San Antonio found a solid contributor in last year's rookie class. It amazes me that Boston is in the second round while starting a rookie and a second year player and giving serious playing time to a 21 yr old, a 22 yr old and 2 23 yr olds. But what amazes me more is that young players on the Nuggets have to literally force their way onto the court by "proving" themselves far beyond what some teams require.

Malone seems to love jerking around the young players. Last year, Murray was set to go into the game when Barton got hot, so Malone pulled Murray back into the bench. You'll never see him pull Barton back to the bench because Murray is hot. If Jokic struggles just a little, Malone will pull him off the court. But if Chandler struggles, he'll still get all the minutes possible.