PF Most Likely to be Traded

[NuggetsWY]

Millsap is a potential for a trade but seems unlikely to be traded. Most teams either have their high-priced PF or they aren't looking for a 30+ PF at his price. (Besides, I'd like to see him stay here for at least one more year.)

Faried's contract makes him hard to trade without adding an asset, usually the #14 is mentioned. That #14 seems more valuable if used to draft a SF. Just not sure he can be easily traded. Kept here for one more year probably means the Nuggets pay the luxury tax for one season, but that's the price they pay for over-paying some role players.

Arthur is probably not going to be traded because of his knee issues.

Lyles is probably not going to be traded because of ego - not his. The Nuggets traded for him last year and made him sound like a huge win, someone they'd wanted since he was drafted. If they trade him now, it would probably make them look even more foolish for having made that bone-headed trade last year.

Hernangomez is a player that seems like a great fit on a Jokic-centric team but he's probably the easiest PF to trade. The problem is, he just doesn't help with the cap issues and it seems unlikely he brings a great return simply because he hasn't played enough to truly prove himself.

Lydon is also easy to trade but again, hasn't played and is unlikely to bring much in return and he trading him won't help the cap issues.

[the_process]

Faried and 26 to ATL
38 to DEN
Lyles to PHI

Logjam solved. Cap issues solved.

[skywalker33]

Faried and 26 to ATL
10 and 38 to DEN
Lyles to PHI

Logjam solved. Cap issues solved.

FIFY , don't bring that STUPID crap over here , makes you look "trollish"

[Powder Blue]

If there was a "none" option I'd go with that...I think they killed Faried's value and they'll over-value Juancho. Those are the only 2 names that seem realistic this off-season

[MHZ]

Answer has to be Faried. It's low hanging fruit, to some extent, given that he's already rumored.

That said, he's expressed a desire to go and it hasn't happened yet. He's easily the one with the potential to be a locker room issue if he decides he's sick of sitting around and waiting for a trade. I think the other guys are young or in DA's case, are good locker room guys with or without minutes. Add in that his contract is the largest (other than Millsap who isn't getting dealt), and it just makes sense.

[the_process]

Faried and 26 to ATL
38 to DEN
Lyles to PHI

Logjam solved. Cap issues solved.

FIFY , don't bring that STUPID crap over here , makes you look "trollish"

The idea you’re getting a lotto pick for Lyles is not realistic. This is a cheap price to dump almost 20M and be able to max Jokic while staying out of the tax. And it’s not my fault you don’t like trades.

[skywalker33]

Faried and 26 to ATL
38 to DEN
Lyles to PHI

Logjam solved. Cap issues solved.

FIFY , don't bring that STUPID crap over here , makes you look "trollish"

The idea you’re getting a lotto pick for Lyles is not realistic. This is a cheap price to dump almost 20M and be able to max Jokic while staying out of the tax. And it’s not my fault you don’t like trades.

I am SURE you think you're being generous, but I am just as SURE we can find a better deal to purge Faried's salary than "giving" you Lyles. You've already stated we disagree on Lyles value, I'm just continuing to agree with you. I am all for trades, just NOT HOMER trades that screw my Nuggets, like most of yours do just to try and steal Lyles.

[the_process]

FIFY , don't bring that STUPID crap over here , makes you look "trollish"

The idea you’re getting a lotto pick for Lyles is not realistic. This is a cheap price to dump almost 20M and be able to max Jokic while staying out of the tax. And it’s not my fault you don’t like trades.

I am SURE you think you're being generous, but I am just as SURE we can find a better deal to purge Faried's salary than "giving" you Lyles. You've already stated we disagree on Lyles value, I'm just continuing to agree with you. I am all for trades, just NOT HOMER trades that screw my Nuggets, like most of yours do just to try and steal Lyles.

You have an example? Rather use 14 to dump Faried?

[skywalker33]

The idea you’re getting a lotto pick for Lyles is not realistic. This is a cheap price to dump almost 20M and be able to max Jokic while staying out of the tax. And it’s not my fault you don’t like trades.

I am SURE you think you're being generous, but I am just as SURE we can find a better deal to purge Faried's salary than "giving" you Lyles. You've already stated we disagree on Lyles value, I'm just continuing to agree with you. I am all for trades, just NOT HOMER trades that screw my Nuggets, like most of yours do just to try and steal Lyles.

You have an example? Rather use 14 to dump Faried?

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

[the_process]

I am SURE you think you're being generous, but I am just as SURE we can find a better deal to purge Faried's salary than "giving" you Lyles. You've already stated we disagree on Lyles value, I'm just continuing to agree with you. I am all for trades, just NOT HOMER trades that screw my Nuggets, like most of yours do just to try and steal Lyles.

You have an example? Rather use 14 to dump Faried?

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

Not nearly drool, but I like him. Stretching one or both of them is certainly an option if you don’t mind having dead money sitting on your cap for three years.

Faried and 14 for 30 is a worse trade than Faried and Lyles for 38 IMO. Wouldn’t you rather have the 4 rookie years of 14 over the expiring Lyles?

Listen, I’ll gladly take Faried and 14 for 26 if you want to do that

[THE J0KER]

Lyles, Juancho and even Lydon are assets, and while we have way too much PFćs right now, in summer of 2019 it will be dramatically different case (without Millsap, Faried, and Chandler for sure)

Millsap as 30M in expiring season (we all know 2019 team-option is just virtual) and Arthur which can't be used effectively anymore is very hard to be traded both.

So by far most realistic scenario is a trade of Faried and/or Chandler. Their $10M contract is not so bad because both can be used and both are expiring anyway. Faried deal should have priority because Chandler can be used as SF also.

[NuggetsWY]

You have an example? Rather use 14 to dump Faried?

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

Not nearly drool, but I like him. Stretching one or both of them is certainly an option if you don’t mind having dead money sitting on your cap for three years.

Faried and 14 for 30 is a worse trade than Faried and Lyles for 38 IMO. Wouldn’t you rather have the 4 rookie years of 14 over the expiring Lyles?

Listen, I’ll gladly take Faried and 14 for 26 if you want to do that

Faried & Lyles & #14 for #10 sounds great. I'd even throw in a 2nd or two this year or whenever, not the Philadelphia needs them.

I don't know that any of the Nuggets regulars here are drooling over Lyles. Some of us like him more than others, and I'm probably one of those but I'm willing to see him go. He's got potential but not likely star potential and 6'10" guys that can run and shoot are all over. We have three of them, all young. If you want to throw in Covington, I'd be even more interested, but not everyone on this board is as big on him as I am.

[THE J0KER]

If you want to throw in Covington, I'd be even more interested, but not everyone on this board is as big on him as I am.

Covington would be a perfect target for Denver (SF on prime + Good Defenseman + long term team friendly contract), and a final solution to our biggest problem (Small Forward).

#14+#43+Faried for #38+Covington

[skywalker33]

You have an example? Rather use 14 to dump Faried?

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

Not nearly drool, but I like him. Stretching one or both of them is certainly an option if you don’t mind having dead money sitting on your cap for three years.

Faried and 14 for 30 is a worse trade than Faried and Lyles for 38 IMO. Wouldn’t you rather have the 4 rookie years of 14 over the expiring Lyles?

Listen, I’ll gladly take Faried and 14 for 26 if you want to do that

Ok the_process, let me ask you , honest evaluation please. Which has more value to the Nuggets ? Lyles, a PF who has established some strong stretch 4 skills yet is playing behind Milsap for another year OR a late lottery pick rookie who can potentially become a starter in 2-3 years even though it may not be at a position you need ?

[The Rebel]

I still think the Nuggets view Juancho as a SF, and if they are as high on him as has been reported, than he and Lyles are only going out for something good.

Arthur may be a medical unable to play guy next year which could result in the medical retirement and cap savings as well as actual cash savings, they will be looking to get him off the books one way or another here soon.

With Lydon's injury and lack of minutes than Lydon is nothing more than a throw in at this point, he will not have much if any value, so he likely stays.

I don't see anyway that they get rid of Millsap, that starting lineup was elite with him, and they can live with his expiring contract.

I think the may keep Chandler though, if he opts in than they get another year to try to develop Craig and Juancho as SFs.

Faried I think is gone no matter what. I would not be surprised to see them trade back to dump Faried and get a later 1st. I would not be surprised if they throw Beaasley or Lydon in the deal, but I do not see Faried being back.

[skywalker33]

Arthur may be a medical unable to play guy next year which could result in the medical retirement and cap savings as well as actual cash savings, they will be looking to get him off the books one way or another here soon.

And yet ANOTHER point to throw you into the Nuggets F.O. !!!

I don't see anyway that they get rid of Millsap, that starting lineup was elite with him, and they can live with his expiring contract.

Agree with this, his contract is guaranteed this next year anyway. good evaluation period barring another injury.

[The Rebel]

You have an example? Rather use 14 to dump Faried?

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

Not nearly drool, but I like him. Stretching one or both of them is certainly an option if you don’t mind having dead money sitting on your cap for three years.

Faried and 14 for 30 is a worse trade than Faried and Lyles for 38 IMO. Wouldn’t you rather have the 4 rookie years of 14 over the expiring Lyles?

Listen, I’ll gladly take Faried and 14 for 26 if you want to do that

The fact that you are even asking if Lyles is worth the 14th pick tells me that you do not know near enough about him. Lyles put up 19 and 9 per 36 in limited minutes, but the odd thing about Lyles is that when he was a steady part of the rotation Lyles was putting up 14.7 and 6.6 on great percentages when Millsap was out it was when he was getting spot minutes that his stats went down. He has a way to go before he is good at defense, but at 21 years old that is what you are looking for. The odds that we get a guy with the upside that Lyles has right now is low, the odds that we get a player that can put up those kind of numbers in their prime at 14th overall that Lyles is right now are less than 50% at best. Once you get out of the top 5 the draft is a complete crap shoot, and the fact is there are still plenty of busts in the top 5 every year. You want Lyles, you have to pay for him, and his value is more than the 14th pick.

[the_process]

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

Not nearly drool, but I like him. Stretching one or both of them is certainly an option if you don’t mind having dead money sitting on your cap for three years.

Faried and 14 for 30 is a worse trade than Faried and Lyles for 38 IMO. Wouldn’t you rather have the 4 rookie years of 14 over the expiring Lyles?

Listen, I’ll gladly take Faried and 14 for 26 if you want to do that

Ok the_process, let me ask you , honest evaluation please. Which has more value to the Nuggets ? Lyles, a PF who has established some strong stretch 4 skills yet is playing behind Milsap for another year OR a late lottery pick rookie who can potentially become a starter in 2-3 years even though it may not be at a position you need ?

The way to sustainability is not to overpay rotation guys. You are undervaluing the cost controlled 4 year rookie contract IMO. Kevin Knox should be there at 14, very similar player to Lyles. You drafted Tyler Lydon last year, 3 rookie years left. Lyles is about to get paid! If some team comes around and offers him a 4-40 offer sheet (or higher) that puts you guys in the tax, do you think your ownership matches it? Plus you do have a logjam at the PF spot that reduces the value of all of them and hurts the roster. I watched Noel and Okafor get dumped for nothing because of that type of bad roster management.

[the_process]

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

Not nearly drool, but I like him. Stretching one or both of them is certainly an option if you don’t mind having dead money sitting on your cap for three years.

Faried and 14 for 30 is a worse trade than Faried and Lyles for 38 IMO. Wouldn’t you rather have the 4 rookie years of 14 over the expiring Lyles?

Listen, I’ll gladly take Faried and 14 for 26 if you want to do that

The fact that you are even asking if Lyles is worth the 14th pick tells me that you do not know near enough about him. Lyles put up 19 and 9 per 36 in limited minutes, but the odd thing about Lyles is that when he was a steady part of the rotation Lyles was putting up 14.7 and 6.6 on great percentages when Millsap was out it was when he was getting spot minutes that his stats went down. He has a way to go before he is good at defense, but at 21 years old that is what you are looking for. The odds that we get a guy with the upside that Lyles has right now is low, the odds that we get a player that can put up those kind of numbers in their prime at 14th overall that Lyles is right now are less than 50% at best. Once you get out of the top 5 the draft is a complete crap shoot, and the fact is there are still plenty of busts in the top 5 every year. You want Lyles, you have to pay for him, and his value is more than the 14th pick.

I wasn't asking if Lyles was worth the 14th pick, I know the answer to that; he’s not. I was asking wouldn’t you rather keep 14 than Lyles? He’s expiring and 14 is cost controlled for 4 years.

With your salary situation, it’s 50/50 someone just snipes Lyles outright with a big offer sheet next summer.

[the_process]

We could just stretch Faried along with Arthur to create $14M off the cap. We’d also get to keep BOTH the 14th pick and Lyles. Even so, in your trade scenario I’d bet we could cut out PHI an still be better, give 14 and Faried for 30 leaving you to continue to drool over Lyles. May not be optimum but Lyles is probable better than whomever will be there at 14 and we still get a better pick than 38

Not nearly drool, but I like him. Stretching one or both of them is certainly an option if you don’t mind having dead money sitting on your cap for three years.

Faried and 14 for 30 is a worse trade than Faried and Lyles for 38 IMO. Wouldn’t you rather have the 4 rookie years of 14 over the expiring Lyles?

Listen, I’ll gladly take Faried and 14 for 26 if you want to do that

Faried & Lyles & #14 for #10 sounds great.

That deal I would do.