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Re-Creation by emulation

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Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#1 » by skywalker33 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:50 am

I've been told if you want to be successful then look who has been successful before you and just do the same thing, working to make it better. As I look around the NBa, the Golden State Warriors have been the epitome of a championship team and as fortune would have it, what the Nuggets have the potential to become. Here are some comparisons I'd like to get some feedback on:

Jamal Murray - Steph Curry While not as prolific of a scorer, Jamal certainly is looking to become that. He's still a year younger than when Curry entered the league so we'll see what he looks like this year.

Gary Harris - Klay Thompson GHarris is a bit smaller and hasn't established himself as good of a scorer but is looking to be the better two-way player. Still if you compare their stats at the same age you'll see what Rebel has shown me.

Michael Porter Jr - Kevin Durant Can't back this one up (yet) but many analysts and MPJ himself have made this comparison. He has the size, the scoring ability....the potential is there.

Jarred Vanderbilt - Draymond Green Another "future" comparison but I have heard analysts make this one too. He's a strong rebounder, devender and can score some too. Has good handles, makes crisp passes. They hare a lot of the same characteristics.

These comparisons are waiting to fulfill the promises set forth, but then we can go beyond with players like:

Nikola Jokic An All-Star-type center, an offensive point-center like none other

Trey Lyles A 6-10" stretch forward that can bring offense of the bench much like Livingston does

Paul Millsap Our defensive ace-in-the-whole much as Iguodala is for the Warriors. Not the lock-down defender but no slouch

Will Barton A bit of a wild card, does he stay or hit free agency. IF he stays we have a great switchblade of a scorer, better than Nick Young IMO

Hernangomez/Beasley/Craig/Morris/lydon The rest of the youth off the bench or tradable assets with potential

Am I crazy to think this way ??

** One more, just to be hopefull**
Mike Malone - Mark Jackson for all those non-believers (including myself) :lol:
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#2 » by Nuggets_Talk » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:15 am

id rather not try to mimic the warriors. they are good. damn good. historically good.

if we try, there is a good chance we fail. id rather we do our own thing and set the new trend. once you start copying trends, its probably too late.
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#3 » by NuggetsWY » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:29 pm

Emulate is different than copy - but I get where both of you are coming from.

What I love about the Warriors most is their defense. Constantly switching on every pick is very dangerous except they are constantly switching even when there are no picks, trying to reduce the advantages of their opponents with mismatches. If an opponent drives against a mismatch, there is someone there to help.

The Nuggets defense switches sometimes and not others and it often seems like the two defenders are not on the same page. When a defender drives, it seems like the Nuggets are either unaware or afraid to help because it leaves their man open.

In the modern NBA, the best defensive teams are ones that help on mismatches and help cover the guy left open by the helper and then help cover the guy left open by the guy that is covering for the helper and so forth.

This process does leave players open, but those teams rank highest in defense year after year. In the modern NBA, with the prodigious 3 pt shooting, open shots will happen. Teams that realize this but work hard at minimizing the mismatches and the open shots - those are the teams that win.

That is what I would emulate and copy from the Warriors and a few other elite teams.

The only other thing I would emulate or copy from the Warriors would be their ball movement on offense, but I think that's a by-product of their skilled players and the Nuggets just might be the best in the league at that - when they toss the ball to Jokic and run movement instead of plays.
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#4 » by U hova » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:34 pm

The Mark Jackson comparison is spot-on.
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#5 » by skywalker33 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:04 pm

Nuggets_Talk wrote:id rather not try to mimic the warriors. they are good. damn good. historically good.

if we try, there is a good chance we fail. id rather we do our own thing and set the new trend. once you start copying trends, its probably too late.


I realize we can never BE the Warriors, just pointing out we're on a path that appears to be with a strong direction for success.
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#6 » by NuggetsWY » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:16 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:id rather not try to mimic the warriors. they are good. damn good. historically good.

if we try, there is a good chance we fail. id rather we do our own thing and set the new trend. once you start copying trends, its probably too late.

I realize we can never BE the Warriors, just pointing out we're on a path that appears to be with a strong direction for success.

Yes, believe me, I understand and totally agree that there are a great many similarities in players. The difference is in the defense and to some degree, in the offense.
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#7 » by skywalker33 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:25 am

U hova wrote:The Mark Jackson comparison is spot-on.


Now all we have to do is find our Steve Kerr....but I'm really not a Steve Kerr fan. :oops:
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#8 » by Nuggets_Talk » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:24 am

btw: I dont see the vanderbilt-green comparison. green can pass and shoot far better than JV
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Re: Re-Creation by emulation 

Post#9 » by The Rebel » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:28 pm

I do think that the Nuggets plan was to emulate the Warriors originally in the way the team was built, and to build around dynamic guards, even if you look at the offense we ran for the 1st half of the 2016-2017 season, it was very guard centric, and even last season they started off with a more iso heavy offense.

In fact I think Millsap was brought in to replicate Green. Millsap is not near the vocal leader or passer that Green is, but he is the defender.

The thing that made the Warriors so great is that they built their team and put it together to run a very different system than most teams, and it revolutionized the game. They have perfected a system that is really a combo of the drive and kick system that Karl loved, and the triangle with it's screens and spot up shooters. Trying to beat them at their game is a waste of time.

Fact is we need a better coach, and the Nuggets need to realize that we have a player that can revolutionize the game in his own way. I posted tweets in the Jokic thread, and idiots may laugh off the comparison, but Jokic is much like Bird was, and a combination of the Celtics offense from the 80s, with the shooters to spread the floor of today, could take the game in a whole different way. Yet Malone does not seem to know how to design that system, and the front office seems to be stuck on accumulating assets and not actually building a team that works in that type of system. If they were they would be dumping guys like Chandler and Plumlee for guys that fit better with Jokic.

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