Is it time to move Juancho ?

eathb_au · Post #21 » by **eathb_au** » Mon Nov 5, 2018 10:13 am

No way in hell am I putting Butler on this team.

FilNugsFan · Post #22 » by **FilNugsFan** » Tue Nov 6, 2018 5:00 am

Yes, it's definitely time to move Juancho...........to the starting unit.

Riko · Post #23 » by **Riko** » Tue Nov 6, 2018 9:51 am

IMHO is the perfect sixth men.
Depending the opponent he can replace basically 4/5 of the starting five (when Barton return), right now is perfect to replace Craig after 5-6 minutes and play 10-14 minutes straight with the starters and the other players off the bench.
He provides energy and spacing to the second units (morris-beasley-lyles-plumlee) lack 3p shooting.

Post #24 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Nov 6, 2018 1:41 pm

FilNugsFan wrote:Yes, it's definitely time to move Juancho...........to the starting unit.

Well, last night Craig played 3 minutes. So maybe, just maybe, Malone will agree with you. Boston has three guys; Hayward, Brown, Tatum that are similar sized wings. That's supposed to be Craig's forte: defending wings. Without Craig, those threee scored just 38 points. Seems like the rest of the Nuggets handled things just fine. (But I still like Craig as a bench defense player.)

U hova · Post #25 » by **U hova** » Tue Nov 6, 2018 4:01 pm

It's a relatively small sample size but Lyles has been doodoo from behind the arc... whenever they run short sets for him where he ends up behind the arc I wish they were using Juancho instead at that position.

Granted Lyles does other things as a scorer but just a small thought.

skywalker33 · Post #26 » by **skywalker33** » Tue Nov 6, 2018 8:04 pm

U hova wrote:It's a relatively small sample size but Lyles has been doodoo from behind the arc... whenever they run short sets for him where he ends up behind the arc I wish they were using Juancho instead at that position.

Granted Lyles does other things as a scorer but just a small thought.

Well, to be honest, most of the team has been doodoo behind the arc this year so far...beyond Murray's outbreak, Juancho has been the most consistent 3-pt shooter.

Post #27 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Nov 6, 2018 9:41 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
U hova wrote:It's a relatively small sample size but Lyles has been doodoo from behind the arc... whenever they run short sets for him where he ends up behind the arc I wish they were using Juancho instead at that position.

Granted Lyles does other things as a scorer but just a small thought.

Well, to be honest, most of the team has been doodoo behind the arc this year so far...beyond Murray's outbreak, Juancho has been the most consistent 3-pt shooter.

56% Barton
46% Hernangomez
42% Morris
38% Jokic
35% Millsap

and of course the great and mighty elite 3pt specialist PLUMLEE !!! :lol:

at 50%

33% is my cutoff for "acceptable" but we all know that shooters go through slumps.

Murray is having his worst 3pt% of his young career, so no doubt he'll do better.
Harris is also having a rough start, but he's proven to be above average.

Lyles average 38% last year on three 3pt shots per game. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as well.

Not sure anyone else should be taking 3pt shots, at least not many.

Coeur · Post #28 » by **Coeur** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:56 pm

Keep this guy for a long time. I'd love to see lyles traded for value if either

skywalker33 · Post #29 » by **skywalker33** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Coeur wrote:Keep this guy for a long time. I'd love to see lyles traded for value if either

Gotta ask ....WHY ?? Lyles has been more productive than Juancho. Juancho has done relatively nothing in the starting lineup so far while Lyle was very productive when asked to fill in when Millsap got injured. Is it because Lyles' contract is coming up ?? Or perhaps it's because Juancho is European and there are a lot of Euro fans here ? I've seen sparks out of Juancho but Lyles has been much more consistent IMO

skywalker33 · Post #30 » by **skywalker33** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:08 am

FilNugsFan wrote:Yes, it's definitely time to move Juancho...........to the starting unit.

Still have that attitude, he's had ONE decent gamer and that was against ATL......seems like a true bench player to me. :banghead:

skywalker33 · Post #31 » by **skywalker33** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:09 am

FilNugsFan wrote:Yes, it's definitely time to move Juancho...........to the starting unit.

Still have that attitude, he's had ONE decent game and that was against ATL......seems like a true bench player to me. :banghead:

youngthegiant · Post #32 » by **youngthegiant** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:43 am

This should be changed to Is it time to move Lyles. Once Barton comes back, Juancho has earned a rotation spot over Lyles. I'm on board to moving him now, he's not good.

Post #33 » by **NuggetsWY** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:53 am

Well, if we move a young forward that's not playing well, what do we get in return? Not much; so why not keep them and see if they develop. (Sounds like the rumblings of last year regarding Beasley.)

Post #34 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:35 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
FilNugsFan wrote:Yes, it's definitely time to move Juancho...........to the starting unit.

Still have that attitude, he's had ONE decent game and that was against ATL......seems like a true bench player to me.

You cannot be serious? In the 6 games he has started he had the Atl game and the Pelicans game where he put up 20 and 11, and has overall brought exactly what I said he would. Teams have to guard him on defense so he is opening the floor and despite our struggles the offense is flowing considerably better now than it was 7 games ago.

For the season he is shooting 42.6% from 3, which is considerably better than anybody else in the rotation at the moment. Our starting lineup with Juancho is a +1.5 while with Craig it was a -2.2. Juancho is actually in 3 of our top 5 lineups for differential, and he has gotten a vast majority of his minutes in the last 6 games which also happens to have been by far the toughest part of our schedule to date.

I do not know why you hate Juancho but at least make a reasonable argument on why he should be coming off the bench when it is pretty obvious he makes our starters better.

Post #35 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:37 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:Well, if we move a young forward that's not playing well, what do we get in return? Not much; so why not keep them and see if they develop. (Sounds like the rumblings of last year regarding Beasley.)

Considering the way Kuzma and Saric are talked about than I would think that basketball people would place a huge premium for a guy like Lyles who is considerably better than Kuzma and comparable to Saric.

Also the big issue with keeping Lyles is money, keeping him is going to lock this team in as currently constructed especially with the way our front office loves to overpay bench role players.

skywalker33 · Post #36 » by **skywalker33** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:51 pm

youngthegiant wrote:This should be changed to Is it time to move Lyles. Once Barton comes back, Juancho has earned a rotation spot over Lyles. I'm on board to moving him now, he's not good.

LMAO Juancho has been given the minutes and has yet to produce consistently. Noted as having scoring prowess, where has it been ???

youngthegiant · Post #37 » by **youngthegiant** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:21 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
youngthegiant wrote:This should be changed to Is it time to move Lyles. Once Barton comes back, Juancho has earned a rotation spot over Lyles. I'm on board to moving him now, he's not good.

LMAO Juancho has been given the minutes and has yet to produce consistently. Noted as having scoring prowess, where has it been ???

No one ever said Juancho was a great scorer, he's a shooter who is great off-ball, he cuts, hustles , rebounds. Fifth option in the starting unit. I have no clue what your expectations are, he's shooting over 40% from 3 and averaging 13 ppg, 7.5 rpg since entering the starting lineup. He's been solid all season, Lyles on the other hand has been terrible.

skywalker33 · Post #38 » by **skywalker33** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:45 pm

The Rebel wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
FilNugsFan wrote:Yes, it's definitely time to move Juancho...........to the starting unit.

Still have that attitude, he's had ONE decent game and that was against ATL......seems like a true bench player to me.

You cannot be serious? In the 6 games he has started he had the Atl game and the Pelicans game where he put up 20 and 11, and has overall brought exactly what I said he would. Teams have to guard him on defense so he is opening the floor and despite our struggles the offense is flowing considerably better now than it was 7 games ago.

For the season he is shooting 42.6% from 3, which is considerably better than anybody else in the rotation at the moment. Our starting lineup with Juancho is a +1.5 while with Craig it was a -2.2. Juancho is actually in 3 of our top 5 lineups for differential, and he has gotten a vast majority of his minutes in the last 6 games which also happens to have been by far the toughest part of our schedule to date.

I do not know why you hate Juancho but at least make a reasonable argument on why he should be coming off the bench when it is pretty obvious he makes our starters better.

To be fair, Juancho was shooting 1 for 7 when I wrote that and he was coming off that 2 for 10 performance vs
MIL. I don’t have hate for Juancho , but I do take umbridge with all the Juancho-is-the-savior fans. I only clamor for consistency from Juancho which has not happened

Post #39 » by **NuggetsWY** » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:37 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Still have that attitude, he's had ONE decent game and that was against ATL......seems like a true bench player to me.

You cannot be serious? In the 6 games he has started he had the Atl game and the Pelicans game where he put up 20 and 11, and has overall brought exactly what I said he would. Teams have to guard him on defense so he is opening the floor and despite our struggles the offense is flowing considerably better now than it was 7 games ago.

For the season he is shooting 42.6% from 3, which is considerably better than anybody else in the rotation at the moment. Our starting lineup with Juancho is a +1.5 while with Craig it was a -2.2. Juancho is actually in 3 of our top 5 lineups for differential, and he has gotten a vast majority of his minutes in the last 6 games which also happens to have been by far the toughest part of our schedule to date.

I do not know why you hate Juancho but at least make a reasonable argument on why he should be coming off the bench when it is pretty obvious he makes our starters better.

To be fair, Juancho was shooting 1 for 7 when I wrote that and he was coming off that 2 for 10 performance vs
MIL. I don’t have hate for Juancho , but I do take umbridge with all the Juancho-is-the-savior fans. I only clamor for consistency from Juancho which has not happened

and I'll stick with my - "what are we getting back - if it isn't significant, let's gamble on what we have and see what develops"

Post #40 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:51 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Still have that attitude, he's had ONE decent game and that was against ATL......seems like a true bench player to me.

You cannot be serious? In the 6 games he has started he had the Atl game and the Pelicans game where he put up 20 and 11, and has overall brought exactly what I said he would. Teams have to guard him on defense so he is opening the floor and despite our struggles the offense is flowing considerably better now than it was 7 games ago.

For the season he is shooting 42.6% from 3, which is considerably better than anybody else in the rotation at the moment. Our starting lineup with Juancho is a +1.5 while with Craig it was a -2.2. Juancho is actually in 3 of our top 5 lineups for differential, and he has gotten a vast majority of his minutes in the last 6 games which also happens to have been by far the toughest part of our schedule to date.

I do not know why you hate Juancho but at least make a reasonable argument on why he should be coming off the bench when it is pretty obvious he makes our starters better.

To be fair, Juancho was shooting 1 for 7 when I wrote that and he was coming off that 2 for 10 performance vs
MIL. I don’t have hate for Juancho , but I do take umbridge with all the Juancho-is-the-savior fans. I only clamor for consistency from Juancho which has not happened

You expect consistency from a 3rd year player that basically missed his 2nd season? That is this entire team's issue, not a single one is consistent, I wish they were.

I have not seen many saying that Juancho is the savior, mostly what I see is the truth in that if Lyles is not the future starter he needs to be moved and Juancho can eat up those minutes while we find the long term starter.