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One of the rating systems is PER. 15.00 is supposed to be an average NBA player, as I understand it. No big surprises in the top-7 Nuggets (all at 15.00 or better).

27.92 Jokic
23.17 Barton
17.68 Plumlee
16.09 Millsap
15.92 Murray
15.72 Harris
15.00 Morris

Hernangomez & Lyles are 8th & 9th for the Nuggets.
Craig is a very distant 10th and 12th in plus/minus and 11th in defensive win shares; but don't get too excited against Craig, he's 10th in mpg - roughly the same minutes as Beasley & Plumlee.

14.38 Hernangomez
13.44 Lyles
13.02 Lydon
7.33 Craig
7.09 Akoon-Purcell
6.99 Beasley
4.85 Welsh

Interestingly, only positive plus/minus guys are, in order:

Harris
Jokic
Millsap
Murray
--- large jump down from here
Beasley
Lyles
Morris
Plumlee
Barton
Hernangomez

My Conclusion? Malone's top-9 should be
Jokic - Millsap - Barton - Harris - Murray
Plumlee - Lyles - Hernangomez - Morris

How I would run the rotations

Jamal Murray(24)/Morris(24)
Gary Harris(34)/Murray(10)/Beasley(4)
Juancho(30)/Beasley(18)
Millsap(28)/Lyles(20)
Jokic(33)/Plumlee(15

youngthegiant wrote:How I would run the rotations

Jamal Murray(24)/Morris(24)
Gary Harris(34)/Murray(10)/Beasley(4)
Juancho(30)/Beasley(18)
Millsap(28)/Lyles(20)
Jokic(33)/Plumlee(15

and then changing it all when Barton & Thomas are ready to play

Jokic should average 38 minutes per game at least , its unacceptable that he's still under 30 minutes, the only franchise player in the league who's limited like that.

Mickey8 wrote:Jokic should average 38 minutes per game at least , its unacceptable that he's still under 30 minutes, the only franchise player in the league who's limited like that.

38 is a little high. No one in the league is averaging 38 mpg.
37.3 Anthony Davis
37.1 DeMar DeRozan
36.2 Jrue Holiday
36.1 Jimmy Butler
36.1 John Wall
36.1 Zach LaVine
36.0 James Harden

Plus some of those have already had some games off either due to injury or suspension or whatever. I haven't seen recent statistics but the last ones I saw had the average NBA starter playing around 31 mpg. I'd be happy with 32 mpg for Jokic, Harris, Murray (with even an occasional game off if they have a nagging injury). The other two starters, whomever, should probably be 25+ mpg and the first two or three bench players 20+ mpg but those can vary widely depending on rotations and game situations and injuries and such.

But that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before.

Mickey8 wrote:Jokic should average 38 minutes per game at least , its unacceptable that he's still under 30 minutes, the only franchise player in the league who's limited like that.

Yeah agree on his minutes needing to go up, maybe it's been his recent struggles that have brought down his minutes. But he he should be locked in for 33-34 minutes each night.

youngthegiant wrote:How I would run the rotations

Jamal Murray(24)/Morris(24)
Gary Harris(34)/Murray(10)/Beasley(4)
Juancho(30)/Beasley(18)
Millsap(28)/Lyles(20)
Jokic(33)/Plumlee(15

Well Juancho in 24 mins of the Den/Mil game....5pts -3 on the +/-

Mickey8 wrote:Jokic should average 38 minutes per game at least , its unacceptable that he's still under 30 minutes, the only franchise player in the league who's limited like that.

Denver doesn't need him playing 38+ mpg, but 35+ should be his standard rotation for a franchise player without any notable injury problems, with minimum 33 minutes every game (except during blowout wins/loses).

But Nikola Jokic still didn't play a single game more than 33 minutes this season, including that overtime game vs Chicago!? Actually, Jokic played only one single 30+ mpg game in November (out of 6) averaging less than 28mpg!? So far this season Jokic is #91 in the league by playing time (out of TOP100 in November).

Except how many minutes Jokic playing (under 30 instead 35+ or at least 33+), Malone makes big mistakes WHICH minutes Jokic playing. Plumlee is literally the worst FT% shooter in NBA (35%FT% this season) and he has no business playing when team fouls are out of the bonus, which means at the end of any quarter. But Malone genius mind puts him in the last parts of the 1st and 3rd quarter, plus that already famous last minute subs at the end of both halves (last minute of 2nd and 4th quarter). Jokic is an amazing 85%FT% shooter for center standards, which means the best solution is to play whole 1st and a whole 3rd quarter, and last 5-6 minutes of 2nd and 4th quarter (and without that dumb subs with Plumlee). That means between 34-36 minutes every competitive game (12 + 5/6 +12 +5/6), and that is exactly what we need from him.

Denver has 3 injured starters right now, but Will Barton will be back soon.

The question is, until Harris is injured, Barton basic position should be SG or SF? Also, until Millsap is injured, who should take most of PF spot minutes: Lyles, Plumlee, or Juancho?

So which rotation you guys want to see as dominant after Barton comeback until Harris and Millsap are injured?

I put only options where Murray, Barton, and Jokic are starters because they were starters when everybody was healthy in game 1, but we can use Barton from the bench.

Personally, I prefer the last showed rotation, #11, but doubt it will be Malone's favorite ones.

THE J0KER wrote:Denver has 3 injured starters right now, but Will Barton will be back soon.

The question is, until Harris is injured, Barton basic position should be SG or SF? Also, until Millsap is injured, who should take most of PF spot minutes: Lyles, Plumlee, or Juancho?

So which rotation you guys want to see as dominant after Barton comeback until Harris and Millsap are injured?

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 #     PG             SG             SF             PF             C
 1   Murray         Barton         Juancho        Plumlee        Jokic
 2   Murray         Beasley        Barton         Plumlee        Jokic
 3   Murray         Craig          Barton         Plumlee        Jokic
 4   Morris         Murray         Barton         Plumlee        Jokic
 5   Murray         Barton         Juancho        Lyles          Jokic
 6   Murray         Beasley        Barton         Lyles          Jokic
 7   Murray         Craig          Barton         Lyles          Jokic
 8   Morris         Murray         Barton         Lyles          Jokic
 9   Murray         Beasley        Barton         Juancho        Jokic
10   Murray         Craig          Barton         Juancho        Jokic
11   Morris         Murray         Barton         Juancho        Jokic


I put only options where Murray, Barton, and Jokic are starters because they were starters when everybody was healthy in game 1, but we can use Barton from the bench.

Personally, I prefer the last showed rotation, #11, but doubt it will be Malone's favorite ones.

No matter what I choose, I'll probably disagree with Malone; but no matter what he chooses, somebody's going to complain. I'm not even sure it matters too much right now. Just too many injuries complicate things too much.

Jokic at center - everyone will agree (although if Plumlee is at PF, Jokic is more like the PF with Plumlee more like the center, but OK, it's a swap that's fine). That seems like the combo that Malone will probably use the most, at least to start games. The problem becomes there is no true center at backup, so the two of them have to rotate. But it'll work.

PF - see above and I like Lyles off the bench.

SF - Hernangomez seems most likely but no doubt Malone will use Craig as the starter once in a while. If Craig starts at SG, then we have the same problem as our center/PF slots - no real third option so they need to rotate the two of them. It's a little easier because Beasley can matchup with some SFs, but he'll struggle against others.

SG - I'd prefer seeing Beasley start here but Malone's already shown he likes Craig here. Starting Murray here is another depth issue because we only have Murray & Morris at PG, so they'd have to rotate that position - so Murray can't play a ton of SG minutes IMO. That leaves Young as our backup and perhaps his offense is better than Beasley's but his defense isn't. Plus I love the offense off the bench against the other teams' benches.

Murray at PG is almost certainly a lock with Morris as his backup. Sure, they can play together. Both are about the same size as Beasley and both can shoot. But our third PG has to be Jokic, which makes all of this work.

Jokic - Plumlee
Plumlee - Lyles
Hernangomez - Craig
Beasley - Young
Murray - Morris

That's only 9 players so Lydon might steal a few minutes - but I just don't see Malone using G-League players. I think we'll survive just fine. With Barton back - Hernangomez drops to backup SF and Craig basically falls out of the rotation with Barton picking up some SG minutes (maybe).

CURRENT BEST ROTATION:
Jokic(23) / Plumlee(25)
Jokic(13) / Lyles(25) / Juancho(10)
Juancho(15) / Barton(18) / Beasley(10) / Craig(5)
Beasley(15) /Barton(10) / Murray(13) / Craig(10)
Morris(25) / Murray(23)
PLAYING TIME:
Murray(36), Jokic(36), Barton(28), Morris(25), Juancho(25), Beasley(25), Plumlee(25), Lyles(25), Craig(15)

MALONE PROBABLY ROTATION:
Jokic(18) / Plumlee(30)
Jokic(15) / Lyles(25) / Juancho(8)
Barton(15) / Juancho(15) / Beasley(10) / Craig(8)
Beasley(13) /Barton(10) / Murray(15) / Craig(10)
Morris(20) / Murray(20) / Barton(8)
PLAYING TIME:
Murray(35), Jokic(33), Barton(33), Plumlee(30), Lyles(25), Juancho(23), Beasley(23), Morris(20), Craig(18)

So when is Barton coming back?

Till then it looks like Murray, Craig, Hernangomez, Lyles and Jokic are the starters. Count me in the school that thinks Morris, Plumlee and Beasley are about to get a lot of playing time. I am souring on Craig but I can see his value in spot starts like OKC.

Good article from Ryan Blackburn on the rotation when reintegrating our starters back into the lineup

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2019/1/2/18164876/stat-of-the-week-the-nuggets-rotation-will-soon-be-armed-and-dangerous

skywalker33 wrote:Good article from Ryan Blackburn on the rotation when reintegrating our starters back into the lineup

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2019/1/2/18164876/stat-of-the-week-the-nuggets-rotation-will-soon-be-armed-and-dangerous

Impressive analysis!

skywalker33 wrote:Good article from Ryan Blackburn on the rotation when reintegrating our starters back into the lineup

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2019/1/2/18164876/stat-of-the-week-the-nuggets-rotation-will-soon-be-armed-and-dangerous

I agree, really good analysis.

Too bad author couldn't write some parts in here like:

Lyles’ shooting performance in December (41.4 TS%) was absurdly bad.

or

No more post ups. No more apathetic movement on defense. If he wants to recover a full time spot in the rotation, he has to focus up and be better on both sides of the ball.


He'd probably get warning like youngthegiant...

NuggetsWY wrote:

skywalker33 wrote:Good article from Ryan Blackburn on the rotation when reintegrating our starters back into the lineup

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2019/1/2/18164876/stat-of-the-week-the-nuggets-rotation-will-soon-be-armed-and-dangerous

Impressive analysis!

Yeah, I like Blackburn, he's young but very analytic. He does confer with Mares who has good insight as well.

Maf wrote:

skywalker33 wrote:Good article from Ryan Blackburn on the rotation when reintegrating our starters back into the lineup

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2019/1/2/18164876/stat-of-the-week-the-nuggets-rotation-will-soon-be-armed-and-dangerous

I agree, really good analysis.

Too bad author couldn't write some parts in here like:

Lyles’ shooting performance in December (41.4 TS%) was absurdly bad.

or

No more post ups. No more apathetic movement on defense. If he wants to recover a full time spot in the rotation, he has to focus up and be better on both sides of the ball.

He'd probably get warning like youngthegiant...

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