Coach Malone

[skywalker33]

What developments can we actually attribute to Malone being there, and not just a natural progression of the talent that was drafted?

Look at the guys who LEFT Denver, got out from under Malone's wing, and are flourishing...

You can't believe Grant's development was completely his/DET's doing, do you ? Give credit where it due at least.

Since him becoming this offensive option was completely out of left field I can't really attribute any of the development to Malone.

Then where do you think it came from ?

[THE J0KER]

OMG, I just checked from previous season Denver's potentially best lineup in the franchise history already this season if they stayed together: Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic, and I wanted to compare it with Murray-Harris-Barton-Millsap-Jokic lineup which we used the most of the time last season (today's starting lineup), and I can't believe what I found. It is definitely Malone who screw up this historic opportunity, much more than our front office!



Can you believe, Malone used Murray-Beasley-Grant-Porter-Jokic overall 2 minutes together on the floor!? Isn't before the start of the last season that was the lineup that most of the Denver fans but also all NBA fans want to see the most in Denver, but Malone tested it TWO MINUTES overall!?

[U hova]

You can't believe Grant's development was completely his/DET's doing, do you ? Give credit where it due at least.

Since him becoming this offensive option was completely out of left field I can't really attribute any of the development to Malone.

Then where do you think it came from ?

As I suggested before, it was most likely natural self improvement for him and/or Casey is using him much better.. All I know is we weren't using him as a scorer nor did we do anything in particular to develop him into one. Part of what makes his current scoring run absurd is that there was not a single thing we saw from him during his 1 year in Denver that suggested he was capable of doing what he is now.

Flip the scenario again, are we seeing any of our "development" guys suddenly breaking out into stars for us? All of our key contributors (MPJ, Murray) were expected to be future All-Stars from fairly early flashes. Even Morris started as a very high floor draft pick.

[NuggetsWY]

Malone can probably claim little credit for developing Grant - not in just one year when he already had four years experience.

Calling Malone a "development coach" means looking at rookies (& 2 players that were rookies the year before he took over):

Harris
Jokic
Mudiay
Beasley
Hernangomez
Murray
Morris
Cancar - sort of - coming from Europe, he was not a typical rookie
Lydon
Porter
Bol - still waiting
Nnaji - still waiting

You know I'm not a big Malone fan, but if you look at that list, you absolutely must agree that he has been rather successful, for the most part, in developing these young players.

[The Rebel]

Malone can probably claim little credit for developing Grant - not in just one year when he already had four years experience.

Calling Malone a "development coach" means looking at rookies (& 2 players that were rookies the year before he took over):

Harris
Jokic
Mudiay
Beasley
Hernangomez
Murray
Morris
Cancar - sort of - coming from Europe, he was not a typical rookie
Lydon
Porter
Bol - still waiting
Nnaji - still waiting

You know I'm not a big Malone fan, but if you look at that list, you absolutely must agree that he has been rather successful, for the most part, in developing these young players.

You are missing Nurkic who has not grown much since leaving here, and Craig who was a 2 way deal.


The idea that Malone is not a talent developer is crazy. Everybody knows he develops talent well, that is reportedly why Campazzo, Hartenstein, and Whittington all signed here while having offers to go elsewhere. That is why Hampton was so excited to be drafted here after spending the summer with Mike Miller and Penny Hardaway. The league and those around the league know we know how to help guys get the most out of their talent.

[NuggetsWY]

Malone can probably claim little credit for developing Grant - not in just one year when he already had four years experience.

Calling Malone a "development coach" means looking at rookies (& 2 players that were rookies the year before he took over):

Harris
Jokic
Mudiay
Beasley
Hernangomez
Murray
Morris
Cancar - sort of - coming from Europe, he was not a typical rookie
Lydon
Porter
Bol - still waiting
Nnaji - still waiting

You know I'm not a big Malone fan, but if you look at that list, you absolutely must agree that he has been rather successful, for the most part, in developing these young players.

You are missing Nurkic who has not grown much since leaving here, and Craig who was a 2 way deal.


The idea that Malone is not a talent developer is crazy. Everybody knows he develops talent well, that is reportedly why Campazzo, Hartenstein, and Whittington all signed here while having offers to go elsewhere. That is why Hampton was so excited to be drafted here after spending the summer with Mike Miller and Penny Hardaway. The league and those around the league know we know how to help guys get the most out of their talent.

and I might have missed a few more

[skywalker33]

So, with Malone as coach does any of our rookies have a shot at ROTY ?? Doubt it unless he's a top 3 pick.

[NuggetsWY]

So, with Malone as coach does any of our rookies have a shot at ROTY ?? Doubt it unless he's a top 3 pick.

ROTY? You've got to be kidding me. Maybe a couple of years ago, but we've got some pretty good talent and I seriously doubt Malone would even use a #1 pick very much. He's too competitive to trust a rookie.

[THE J0KER]

So, with Malone as coach does any of our rookies have a shot at ROTY ?? Doubt it unless he's a top 3 pick.

MPJ was TOP3 rookie last season in PER-36 (minutes) stats and eye test and experts opinions, but at end of the year, he was not one of 12 rookies who participated in the all-star rookie/sophomore (USA/World) challenge nor one of 5+5 rookies chosen in all-rookie 1st team nor all-rookie 2nd team, because Malone limited him on just 16 minutes!? And he doesn't play in the same team with Kawhi-George nor Giannis-Middleton forwards starting duo but behind Barton and aged Millsap.

Do you guys remember how we celebrated "steal of the 2018 draft 2nd round" Jarred Vanderbilt when we take him as the #41 pick? He was obviously not ready for NBA but is seen as a future great defensive PF specialist, great help for Jokic and Porter. But in a season and a half, he literally played only 100 minutes for Nuggets. Now he rises into Minnesota PF starter with super-high FG% (thanks to dunks) and one of best combo in steals+blocks. The same story we see now with #44 pick Bol Bol which is actually even more talented than JV.

And guess which two rookies from 1st round of the 2020 draft have the smallest playing time so far? Zeke Nnaji and RJ Hampton of course! Are they really the worst prospects or Malone is the problem?

Spoiler:

[stoo]

So, with Malone as coach does any of our rookies have a shot at ROTY ?? Doubt it unless he's a top 3 pick.

MPJ was TOP3 rookie last season in PER-36 (minutes) stats and eye test and experts opinions, but at end of the year, he was not one of 12 rookies who participated in the all-star rookie/sophomore (USA/World) challenge nor one of 5+5 rookies chosen in all-rookie 1st team nor all-rookie 2nd team, because Malone limited him on just 16 minutes!? And he doesn't play in the same team with Kawhi-George nor Giannis-Middleton forwards starting duo but behind Barton and aged Millsap.

Do you guys remember how we celebrated "steal of the 2018 draft 2nd round" Jarred Vanderbilt when we take him as the #41 pick? He was obviously not ready for NBA but is seen as a future great defensive PF specialist, great help for Jokic and Porter. But in a season and a half, he literally played only 100 minutes for Nuggets. Now he rises into Minnesota PF starter with super-high FG% (thanks to dunks) and one of best combo in steals+blocks. The same story we see now with #44 pick Bol Bol which is actually even more talented than JV.

And guess which two rookies from 1st round of the 2020 draft have the smallest playing time so far? Zeke Nnaji and RJ Hampton of course! Are they really the worst prospects or Malone is the problem?

Spoiler:

we will lose some of bol, nnaji, just because malone is not playing them, and they will flourish elsewhere

[Alatan]

Malone is a bad coach. He needs to go.

[skywalker33]

So, with Malone as coach does any of our rookies have a shot at ROTY ?? Doubt it unless he's a top 3 pick.

MPJ was TOP3 rookie last season in PER-36 (minutes) stats and eye test and experts opinions, but at end of the year, he was not one of 12 rookies who participated in the all-star rookie/sophomore (USA/World) challenge nor one of 5+5 rookies chosen in all-rookie 1st team nor all-rookie 2nd team, because Malone limited him on just 16 minutes!? And he doesn't play in the same team with Kawhi-George nor Giannis-Middleton forwards starting duo but behind Barton and aged Millsap.

Do you guys remember how we celebrated "steal of the 2018 draft 2nd round" Jarred Vanderbilt when we take him as the #41 pick? He was obviously not ready for NBA but is seen as a future great defensive PF specialist, great help for Jokic and Porter. But in a season and a half, he literally played only 100 minutes for Nuggets. Now he rises into Minnesota PF starter with super-high FG% (thanks to dunks) and one of best combo in steals+blocks. The same story we see now with #44 pick Bol Bol which is actually even more talented than JV.

And guess which two rookies from 1st round of the 2020 draft have the smallest playing time so far? Zeke Nnaji and RJ Hampton of course! Are they really the worst prospects or Malone is the problem?

Spoiler:

we will lose some of bol, nnaji, just because malone is not playing them, and they will flourish elsewhere

And what do you base this epiphany on, crystal ball or tarot cards ?? Seems you just are becoming a master naysayer ....a pity, thought you were better than that, guess I was wrong

[FilNugsFan]

Against SAS, Barton and MPJ had 9 pts. apiece but the disparity in playing time was pretty glaring in favor of Barton. What else is new?

Isn't this season supposed to be about going "all in" with MPJ and him becoming that 3rd star for DEN?

Malone's stubborness to consistently give MPJ significant minutes has become really really annoying. If MPJ decides to leave the same way Grant did, then that is on Malone. I hope Connelly and Kroenke would do something about it...

[Richard Miller]

Malone's stubborness to consistently give MPJ significant minutes has become really really annoying. If MPJ decides to leave the same way Grant did, then that is on Malone. I hope Connelly and Kroenke would do something about it...

MPJ won't be UFA like Grant, so they can keep him if they want. He's not Harden or AD to have that kind of leverage to force his way out. Though not sure what to make of last night's game, maybe they are trying to get Barton going especially now since PJ is out? In any case, the last game of the tough road trip so whatever, tomorrow's game against the Jazz will be much more significant, let's see then who gets how many minutes.

[THE J0KER]

Malone's stubborness to consistently give MPJ significant minutes has become really really annoying. If MPJ decides to leave the same way Grant did, then that is on Malone. I hope Connelly and Kroenke would do something about it...

MPJ won't be UFA like Grant, so they can keep him if they want. He's not Harden or AD to have that kind of leverage to force his way out. Though not sure what to make of last night's game, maybe they are trying to get Barton going especially now since PJ is out? In any case, the last game of the tough road trip so whatever, tomorrow's game against the Jazz will be much more significant, let's see then who gets how many minutes.

With current playing time distribution we will not lose Porter but Green who will use player option like Grant.

Tomorrow most probably injured Murray will not play, and the last time without Murray MPJ was starter and played 40 minutes, while Barton was starting SG. So, tomorrow's game is relevant on playing time issue only if Jamal will play.

[Richard Miller]

With current playing time distribution we will not lose Porter but Green who will use player option like Grant.

Green has never averaged more than 30 minutes in his career, and not sure if he has stamina to play 35+ on regular bases, his minutes are probably fine as it is.

[FilNugsFan]

MPJ won't be UFA like Grant, so they can keep him if they want. He's not Harden or AD to have that kind of leverage to force his way out. Though not sure what to make of last night's game, maybe they are trying to get Barton going especially now since PJ is out? In any case, the last game of the tough road trip so whatever, tomorrow's game against the Jazz will be much more significant, let's see then who gets how many minutes.

Oh I see. Forgot about him being a RFA, my apologies. That's reassuring I guess. Still pissed about Malone's mishandling of MPJ though.

[NuggetsWY]

As I have said, from Malone's beginning, he admitted he is very competitive and wants to win and hates to lose. He wants to win every play, every minute, every quarter, every game, every season. He's very competitive. His rotations are about winning now and his view on player development revolves around practice time.

I totally disagree with him but until last year's crazy season, the Nuggets won more games each year since he became coach. Last year their winning percentage dipped slightly. 2018-2019 was our first playoffs in six years and we won the first round and played seven games in the second round. Last year we won the first two rounds in seven games each time and lost in the conference finals.

Give him credit for all of that - but I'd still like someone else as the head coach. The problem is, who can the Nuggets get? If they get a young or inexperienced coach, do they do as well? Coaches with better records are hard to find.

[stoo]

MPJ was TOP3 rookie last season in PER-36 (minutes) stats and eye test and experts opinions, but at end of the year, he was not one of 12 rookies who participated in the all-star rookie/sophomore (USA/World) challenge nor one of 5+5 rookies chosen in all-rookie 1st team nor all-rookie 2nd team, because Malone limited him on just 16 minutes!? And he doesn't play in the same team with Kawhi-George nor Giannis-Middleton forwards starting duo but behind Barton and aged Millsap.

Do you guys remember how we celebrated "steal of the 2018 draft 2nd round" Jarred Vanderbilt when we take him as the #41 pick? He was obviously not ready for NBA but is seen as a future great defensive PF specialist, great help for Jokic and Porter. But in a season and a half, he literally played only 100 minutes for Nuggets. Now he rises into Minnesota PF starter with super-high FG% (thanks to dunks) and one of best combo in steals+blocks. The same story we see now with #44 pick Bol Bol which is actually even more talented than JV.

And guess which two rookies from 1st round of the 2020 draft have the smallest playing time so far? Zeke Nnaji and RJ Hampton of course! Are they really the worst prospects or Malone is the problem?

Spoiler:

we will lose some of bol, nnaji, just because malone is not playing them, and they will flourish elsewhere

And what do you base this epiphany on, crystal ball or tarot cards ?? Seems you just are becoming a master naysayer ....a pity, thought you were better than that, guess I was wrong

no, not the crystal ball, just basic logic
you know, grant is a solid example. this is just more extreme

when bol is offered an extension, will he want to stay here or sign for a team that is going to promise him a consistent role? even if denver is promising the same thing at that time

[Richard Miller]

when bol is offered an extension, will he want to stay here or sign for a team that is going to promise him a consistent role? even if denver is promising the same thing at that time

You can't give consistent role and minutes to 12+ players, it took the worst team in the East for Grant to get his role. Not having summer league and G-league not starting yet/being played in the bubble only makes things more complicated.