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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#61 » by THE J0KER » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:35 pm

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NuggetsWY wrote:Maybe next year Porter is averaging 20+ but we just don't have playoff depth - not in scoring.

Whatever Porter averages next year, he better start working on his defense this off-season so he can stay in the lineup.

As amazing as it might seem, I think his defense has improved this year :eek2: :dontknow:

It is Malone to be blamed. Before bubble, where Porter finally take chance as a starter because 3 starters are out at the beginning, Porter averaged under 15mpg playing time (despite TOP5 talent MPJ was not TOP30 in his rookie class by playing time per game even with bubble games!?), with one start. We talking about a young player who basically comes from high school (missed a college career), so how to learn to play NBA level decent defense with playing most the time under 15 minutes against 2nd units? Watching from the bench?

BTW Sixers fire Brett Brown. He is not on my wish list as a potential Malone replacement.
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Post#62 » by The Rebel » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:56 pm

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The Rebel wrote:Lue has his question marks, he did find ways to get a lot of production out of role players and put together rotations to get the most out of those teams. With our lack of depth that is something that we need to look at hard when it comes to the next coach.


While I do think Lue has a few more X's and O's in him than Malone, without LBJ he'd have never won an NBA championship. And I realize we're down two men on the roster, but when did we go from one of the deepest teams to one with a lack of depth ??
We are a really deep team, if we use them effectively. The problem is, it's regular season depth. Who do you rely on in the playoffs?


28 ppg - Murray
25 ppg - Jokic
14 ppg - Porter
11 ppg - Grant

That totals 78 ppg and no one else is averaging 10 ppg. Porter plays limited minutes - mostly because of defense.

Utah also has just four players averaging more than 10 ppg.

40 ppg - Mitchell
27 ppg - Conley
20 ppg - Clarkson
19 ppg - Gobert

That totals 106 ppg - and they do not depend on a deep bench. Benches seldom win in the playoffs; maybe a game now and then, but not a series.

Maybe next year Porter is averaging 20+ but we just don't have playoff depth - not in scoring.


HOw does using the top players on a team ppg show that we have depth? Every team scores in the neighborhood of 100+ points per game someone has to score those points. It does not show depth, it does not even show that those scorers are all that good, just that they are the ones chosen by their team to score.

I laid it out above, before Craig came to Denver he was not even in the Gleague, he was a player in Australia and at 31 years old is already showing signs of declining from a marginal player to just plain bad. He is splitting time with our backup pass 1st pg or a guy who started the year in the Gleague.

A PF or a rookie SF playing at SF with terrible defense as the rotation there.

That is not depth, that is not quality depth, and those are the positions that we are getting killed at in this series. We are literally trying to have MPJ, Grant, or Millsap cover undersized SGs because we don't have anybody else if we don't want Murray to get into foul trouble.

The Jazz have situational role players that they can stick into the game when needed, we don't have those situational guys, our guys are either unproven with no trust from the coach or forced into roles that they do not fit in like Craig has been.

Who is the starter on the Nuggets that is willing to sacrifice their game and do less than they are capable of while providing whatever his team needs just for the good of the team? A guy like Ingles who has proven to be better than his role but accepts his role and plays his ass off for 33 mpg giving his team whatever they need?

Who is the old veteran that comes off the bench and hits a couple of jumpshots while calming everybody down that all great teams seem to have?

Who is the guy that will deliver hard fouls on the opposing team when they get rough with Jokic and Murray?

We don't have a bench scorer, we don't have a backcourt defensive specialist off the bench, we don't have a 3rd scorer that steps up in the 4th, we don't have a utility guy who we can count on to cover what is needed, we don't have an enforcer, and we don't have a dependable old veteran to calm things down when needed. We just don't have anything to support Murray and Jokic that other good teams have. That is the depth that I am talking about, we don't have it.

Maybe MPJ develops into what we all hope, maybe Bol develops into more than what I see, maybe Cancar and KBD develop into strong role players, maybe Dozier becomes the player he was showing prior to the playoffs in the bubble, maybe Vonleh becomes an enforcer/protector type but not one of them is there yet. While some of it is on Malone for not developing his young bench players, a lot of that is on the front office for loading up on too many young role players with limited development time and not getting the guys that every good team needs.
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#63 » by NuggetsWY » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:17 pm

The Rebel wrote:Who is the starter on the Nuggets that is willing to sacrifice their game and do less than they are capable of while providing whatever his team needs just for the good of the team? A guy like Ingles who has proven to be better than his role but accepts his role and plays his ass off for 33 mpg giving his team whatever they need?

Our team is loaded with players willing to sacrifice their game - including starters - beginning with Jokic.
The Rebel wrote:Who is the old veteran that comes off the bench and hits a couple of jumpshots while calming everybody down that all great teams seem to have?

We don't have one.
The Rebel wrote:Who is the guy that will deliver hard fouls on the opposing team when they get rough with Jokic and Murray?

We don't have one and I have complained about it often.
The Rebel wrote:We don't have a bench scorer, we don't have a backcourt defensive specialist off the bench, we don't have a 3rd scorer that steps up in the 4th, we don't have a utility guy who we can count on to cover what is needed, we don't have an enforcer, and we don't have a dependable old veteran to calm things down when needed. We just don't have anything to support Murray and Jokic that other good teams have. That is the depth that I am talking about, we don't have it.

Maybe MPJ develops into what we all hope, maybe Bol develops into more than what I see, maybe Cancar and KBD develop into strong role players, maybe Dozier becomes the player he was showing prior to the playoffs in the bubble, maybe Vonleh becomes an enforcer/protector type but not one of them is there yet. While some of it is on Malone for not developing his young bench players, a lot of that is on the front office for loading up on too many young role players with limited development time and not getting the guys that every good team needs.

We can talk all we want about what we don't have, but it sure seems like during the season we were all fairly proud of our depth. Maybe we forgot about the difference between regular season and playoffs. Most of us spent most of the season, myself included, saying "no trades". I will stick with that, mostly.

I will go back to what I've said for 2-3 years (and sorta backed off from this year); Malone only uses players he likes and he doesn't develop young players. I do believe we have good depth, but they aren't being developed, so they aren't ready for playoffs.
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#64 » by THE J0KER » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:04 pm

Pacers Fire Nate McMillan As Head Coach

My new #1 option instead of Malone right now if Pop is not available!

Probably watching Jokic he adopted a similar style to Sabonis, so he deeply understanding the point-center concept.

Last season I was obsessed to bring TJ Warren from Suns to Denver via trade because it seems to me he was the most underrated player in the league which owns team (Phoenix at the time) not respecting and is ready to sell for nothing. Fact that he finished to Pacers, as well as Brogdon which was also the underrated guy, tells me he is a man with a vision.

The biggest advantage in Nate McMillan's favor is that he is arguably TOP10 coach today, unlike Malone. We missed opportunity two years ago when Hawks shockingly fired Mike Budenholzer, this is a golden opportunity.

But honestly, I doubt TC is interested to change Malone. If game 5 goes after -15 in the third quarter into another blowout, maybe Malone's job is at risk, but knowing TC/Kroenke past moves, I guess not now.
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#65 » by manchambo » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:14 pm

Here's an unpopular opinion: Malone has handled Porter just right. He told him he doesn't play unless his defense is up to snuff. And now, in the kid's 6th post-season game, he plays in crunch time. Why? Because he was forced to up his defensive game to get on the floor.
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Post#66 » by THE J0KER » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:05 pm

manchambo wrote:Here's an unpopular opinion: Malone has handled Porter just right. He told him he doesn't play unless his defense is up to snuff. And now, in the kid's 6th post-season game, he plays in crunch time. Why? Because he was forced to up his defensive game to get on the floor.
Nope, Porter was just scapegoated for the overall team's bad defense for no reason. Yesterday he played only 10 minutes in the first half, so the only reason why he played 28min at the end is Millsap's very bad night. And that is a major consequence of him being stripped from the starting lineup - fewer minutes, despite he is clearly our 3rd or 4th most useful player for Nuggets in this series so far (it is between him and Grant).

When we started a new circle of this discussion about Malone seat, it was 1-2 and 1-3 in this series, and there are big chances of the Nuggets being humiliated 4-1 with several blowouts. Now is 3-3, so knowing our GM and owners' reactions from the past I think his job is not in big jeopardy. But personally, I'm more for a new coach today than a week ago after these two losses when the team looked like a complete mess. Why? Because NBA TOP10 coach Nate McMillan, with enough coaching knowledge and talent to handle "ring-mission" is available now, and he will not waste too much time to adjust on the unique Nikola Jokic skillset and role, because something similar he already successfully does in Indiana with Domantis Sabonis since this season.
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#67 » by manchambo » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:26 pm

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manchambo wrote:Here's an unpopular opinion: Malone has handled Porter just right. He told him he doesn't play unless his defense is up to snuff. And now, in the kid's 6th post-season game, he plays in crunch time. Why? Because he was forced to up his defensive game to get on the floor.
Nope, Porter was just scapegoated for the overall team's bad defense for no reason. Yesterday he played only 10 minutes in the first half, so the only reason why he played 28min at the end is Millsap's very bad night. And that is a major consequence of him being stripped from the starting lineup - fewer minutes, despite he is clearly our 3rd or 4th most useful player for Nuggets in this series so far (it is between him and Grant).

When we started a new circle of this discussion about Malone seat, it was 1-2 and 1-3 in this series, and there are big chances of the Nuggets being humiliated 4-1 with several blowouts. Now is 3-3, so knowing our GM and owners' reactions from the past I think his job is not in big jeopardy. But personally, I'm more for a new coach today than a week ago after these two losses when the team looked like a complete mess. Why? Because NBA TOP10 coach Nate McMillan, with enough coaching knowledge and talent to handle "ring-mission" is available now, and he will not waste too much time to adjust on the unique Nikola Jokic skillset and role, because something similar he already successfully does in Indiana with Domantis Sabonis since this season.


He wasn't scapegoated. He was unplayable in the 4th quarter of an elimination game due to his defense. He has progressed massively in just 6 games. Why is that? For me the proof is in the pudding: Porter contributed in the last 10 minutes of that game because he intensely hedged pr and rebounded. His shooting was shaky all night, tbh: not surprising for a player with so little experience in an elimination game. Bottom line is that Malone set the terms: play defense or don't play, and Porter has responded wonderfully.
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#68 » by NuggetsWY » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:11 pm

manchambo wrote:Here's an unpopular opinion: Malone has handled Porter just right. He told him he doesn't play unless his defense is up to snuff. And now, in the kid's 6th post-season game, he plays in crunch time. Why? Because he was forced to up his defensive game to get on the floor.

Well, I'm not so sure about Malone's handling of Porter. I've long advocated Malone playing young players more minutes - especially the elite young players like Jokic. Old posts will show that.

I understand why Malone didn't play Porter much - defense. But my problem with that claim is that Porter's defense is still inadequate for the most part. He's playing Porter now because Barton isn't available - my opinion.
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Post#69 » by The Rebel » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:27 am

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manchambo wrote:Here's an unpopular opinion: Malone has handled Porter just right. He told him he doesn't play unless his defense is up to snuff. And now, in the kid's 6th post-season game, he plays in crunch time. Why? Because he was forced to up his defensive game to get on the floor.

Well, I'm not so sure about Malone's handling of Porter. I've long advocated Malone playing young players more minutes - especially the elite young players like Jokic. Old posts will show that.

I understand why Malone didn't play Porter much - defense. But my problem with that claim is that Porter's defense is still inadequate for the most part. He's playing Porter now because Barton isn't available - my opinion.


Malone has done a pretty good job developing Murray, Jokic, Morris, Beasley, and Harris, Juancho, and Barton as well before the mysterious core injuries. I do not understand the argument that he is not good at developing talent.

As much as Barton irritates me he is in the top 3 lineups for the team and with an intact starting lineup they are 7.2 points better per 100 possessions. As bad as his iso offense is, when he plays within the offense his defense and offense are huge benefits. Barton playing isn't the problem, Craig playing is the problem. No lineup with Craig in it that has played over 100 minutes together has a positive affect, if you just take the starters and replace Barton with Craig they net a -14.2 points per 100 possessions. Our starters are 21.4 points per 100 possessions better just going from Craig to Barton. Craig is the problem.

Malone overplays Craig worse than Karl overplayed anyone while in Denver, yet for some damn reason Craig has a great reputation and very few will call Malone out about it.


With the comeback in the series I do not see anyway Malone gets fired this offseason, I think he was out coached by Snyder, and that the lineup that changed the series was a fluke that Malone put in while he was doing his sub rotations and Murray/Dozier/MPJ/Grant/ JOkic lineup should have seen a lot more minutes. I just do not see how they can convince Stan to pay 2 coaches when we at least met expectations that most nationally had for us.
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Post#70 » by The Rebel » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:35 am

THE J0KER wrote:Pacers Fire Nate McMillan As Head Coach

My new #1 option instead of Malone right now if Pop is not available!

Probably watching Jokic he adopted a similar style to Sabonis, so he deeply understanding the point-center concept.

Last season I was obsessed to bring TJ Warren from Suns to Denver via trade because it seems to me he was the most underrated player in the league which owns team (Phoenix at the time) not respecting and is ready to sell for nothing. Fact that he finished to Pacers, as well as Brogdon which was also the underrated guy, tells me he is a man with a vision.

The biggest advantage in Nate McMillan's favor is that he is arguably TOP10 coach today, unlike Malone. We missed opportunity two years ago when Hawks shockingly fired Mike Budenholzer, this is a golden opportunity.

But honestly, I doubt TC is interested to change Malone. If game 5 goes after -15 in the third quarter into another blowout, maybe Malone's job is at risk, but knowing TC/Kroenke past moves, I guess not now.


I do not see anyway that McMillan is a better coach than Malone, the guy has gotten past the 1st round 1 time in 17 years coaching. McMillan is a good development guy, but has shown no ability to win. Indiana fans hated the guy, Portland fans hated the guy, Sonics fans hated him as a coach. I would hire Finch as a 1st time head coach before McMillan if all you care about is using Jokic as a point center.
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Post#71 » by Manolito » Sat Sep 5, 2020 9:44 pm

I would love to have Budenholzer in Denver next season.

Of course he is not perfect, that is why he is going to be fired, but bringing him here would be another step in the contending direction.

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Post#72 » by skywalker33 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:18 pm

I’m on record as saying I’m not a fan of Malone as a coach but do give him credit for developing some players, his forte IMO. I thought he out-coached Snyder as well as a talent-deprived Popovich-led SA team last year but is got smacked around by POR and LAC this year.

Question is, can Malone get us past the 2nd round, is that his limit ? Can he get over his own ego with rookies to see beyond his schemes and give us a fighting chance or are we just on his timeline ?

Also, who could we get that’s better ? Popovich ? Chauncey ? Buds been mentioned too but would the Nuggets FO pay to get one of those ?
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Post#73 » by The Rebel » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:59 pm

skywalker33 wrote:I’m on record as saying I’m not a fan of Malone as a coach but do give him credit for developing some players, his forte IMO. I thought he out-coached Snyder as well as a talent-deprived Popovich-led SA team last year but is got smacked around by POR and LAC this year.

Question is, can Malone get us past the 2nd round, is that his limit ? Can he get over his own ego with rookies to see beyond his schemes and give us a fighting chance or are we just on his timeline ?

Also, who could we get that’s better ? Popovich ? Chauncey ? Buds been mentioned too but would the Nuggets FO pay to get one of those ?


Sorry but Malone was clearly outcoached by Pop, we had a clear advantage on talent, there is no reason that series should have went to 7 games other than Pop exploited every weakness we had while we struggled to take advantage of their weaknesses at all and just used our superior talent to win games.

For that matter I think he got out coached by Snyder as well. The huge adjustment that Malone made was to stop calling the same play over and over again, and of course Harris getting healthy, but he did not come up with any adjustments on defense that worked.

I like the idea of all 3 of those, although Budinger is probably my last choice of the 3, he has the same issue as Malone as sticking with his system and refusing to make adjustments off of it. The difference is that Budinger does seem to get every bit of talent out of his guys while I cannot say the same for Malone.

The Kroenke's have always said that they would pay for a contender, but I also remember there was an insider that used to post here that flat said Stan does not think the coach makes a huge difference and did not want the coach to be the star of the team. So I doubt he would get Pop or Chauncey, because if we are realistic both of those guys have bigger names than anybody associated with the Nuggets right now.

Fact is despite his idiot statements at his press conference, MPJ along with Jokic and Murray should make this team a true contender. With the right pieces around them we can win a championhsip, but those pieces include the right coach.

I actually think Popovich would be the perfect hire, he knows how to adjust his schemes to his roster, he knows how to get every bit of talent out of guys, and he loves Jokic and murray. I don't think Stan should give a crap what it cost as I think Pop could make this team a contender. A championship means a lot of money now and in the future for a franchise.

I would settle for Chauncey as he proved during his career that he knows how to play different ways and I am sure he understands different systems that would work for our team. Plus he has worked with Murray and Morris both in the past and has played a part in their growth.

My 3rd choice would be Becky Hammond, she has worked her way up Pop's staff to being a top assistant, and has a hell of a career as a player. I think it would be an interesting choice, but I would give her a chance.

I would also still give Melvin Hunt a chance, he got a team with nothing to play for to give everything they had and win games despite being forced to sit 3 rotation players every night. He understood how to help them succeed, plus he has been a top assistant with some very good coaches.

That being said, I just do not see them firing Malone. He met expectations this year, and with the injuries and MPJ being so young he will likely get another year. I think the Shawful mess scared the hell out of Connelly and Josh Kroenke, I think they are okay with 2nd round exits right now as opposed to another mess with a bad coach.
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Post#74 » by manchambo » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:19 pm

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skywalker33 wrote:I’m on record as saying I’m not a fan of Malone as a coach but do give him credit for developing some players, his forte IMO. I thought he out-coached Snyder as well as a talent-deprived Popovich-led SA team last year but is got smacked around by POR and LAC this year.

Question is, can Malone get us past the 2nd round, is that his limit ? Can he get over his own ego with rookies to see beyond his schemes and give us a fighting chance or are we just on his timeline ?

Also, who could we get that’s better ? Popovich ? Chauncey ? Buds been mentioned too but would the Nuggets FO pay to get one of those ?


Sorry but Malone was clearly outcoached by Pop, we had a clear advantage on talent, there is no reason that series should have went to 7 games other than Pop exploited every weakness we had while we struggled to take advantage of their weaknesses at all and just used our superior talent to win games.

For that matter I think he got out coached by Snyder as well. The huge adjustment that Malone made was to stop calling the same play over and over again, and of course Harris getting healthy, but he did not come up with any adjustments on defense that worked.

I like the idea of all 3 of those, although Budinger is probably my last choice of the 3, he has the same issue as Malone as sticking with his system and refusing to make adjustments off of it. The difference is that Budinger does seem to get every bit of talent out of his guys while I cannot say the same for Malone.

The Kroenke's have always said that they would pay for a contender, but I also remember there was an insider that used to post here that flat said Stan does not think the coach makes a huge difference and did not want the coach to be the star of the team. So I doubt he would get Pop or Chauncey, because if we are realistic both of those guys have bigger names than anybody associated with the Nuggets right now.

Fact is despite his idiot statements at his press conference, MPJ along with Jokic and Murray should make this team a true contender. With the right pieces around them we can win a championhsip, but those pieces include the right coach.

I actually think Popovich would be the perfect hire, he knows how to adjust his schemes to his roster, he knows how to get every bit of talent out of guys, and he loves Jokic and murray. I don't think Stan should give a crap what it cost as I think Pop could make this team a contender. A championship means a lot of money now and in the future for a franchise.

I would settle for Chauncey as he proved during his career that he knows how to play different ways and I am sure he understands different systems that would work for our team. Plus he has worked with Murray and Morris both in the past and has played a part in their growth.

My 3rd choice would be Becky Hammond, she has worked her way up Pop's staff to being a top assistant, and has a hell of a career as a player. I think it would be an interesting choice, but I would give her a chance.

I would also still give Melvin Hunt a chance, he got a team with nothing to play for to give everything they had and win games despite being forced to sit 3 rotation players every night. He understood how to help them succeed, plus he has been a top assistant with some very good coaches.

That being said, I just do not see them firing Malone. He met expectations this year, and with the injuries and MPJ being so young he will likely get another year. I think the Shawful mess scared the hell out of Connelly and Josh Kroenke, I think they are okay with 2nd round exits right now as opposed to another mess with a bad coach.


If we're going to fire coaches for getting "out-coached" in the playoff series they win, we're not going to keep coaches very long.

We're talking about a guy who took a baby team to the brink of WCF last year. Looks like we will not come quite so close this year, but in all honesty LAC is a much better team than POR, maybe the best team in the league.

WCF would have been a success this year. Losing in the 1st round would have been a big failure. Looks like we're going to wind up somewhere in the middle of that. I don't see why you would even consider firing a coach who has developed this team from nothing at this point. He is a young coach with a young team, and he's learning too. And what I see happening in the games they're losing, especially game 7 last yr. vs. Por, and game 3 the other night, is young players not making shots down the stretch. I don't know what coaching Malone can do to make Grant, Craig, Harris, and in the last few games Murray, hit wide open shots.
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Post#75 » by Mickey8 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:06 pm

Beside possible coach change, the Nuggets need a true point guard, he would make life easier for Jokic and Murray, Murray is not a PG , beside running pick and pop with Jokic, he can't do anything else , Murray is the SG, thats his position .
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Post#76 » by NuggetsWY » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:24 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Beside possible coach change, the Nuggets need a true point guard, he would make life easier for Jokic and Murray, Murray is not a PG , beside running pick and pop with Jokic, he can't do anything else , Murray is the SG, thats his position .

Fascinating take - "Murray is not a PG ... Murray is the SG" - I guess that means Lowry and Lillard and Curry and Irving and many other scoring guards aren't point guards.

You must be living in an ancient past further back than Malone. "Point Guard" in the traditional sense dribble the ball up court, especially against a press defense. We don't see much of that any more. "Point Guard" in the traditional sense called the plays and set up the offense and made the passes to the guys that were going to shoot. For example, see "Magic Johnson" or "John Stockton" or many of the point guards of the past. "Point guard" today typically means "shorter than the other guard" and they are expected to score. Several teams use "point forwards" to run their offense. A couple use "point centers" to run their offense: Jokic & Adabayo come to mind.

Jokic doesn't need a "point guard" to run the offense and if Malone stops calling plays, Jokic could run the offense anyway.
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Post#77 » by Mickey8 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:54 pm

Harden,Lowry,Curry, Doncic and some other players who are handling the ball a lot have much better vision than Murray, they can drive and kick the ball to the right spots , Murray is so limited as the facilitator . Jokic should never be the primary facilitator on the team , its easier to make game plan defensively for Jokic as the facilitator in the play off's, because he cant break down opposing defense by driving the basketball , because he doesn't do that , everything is at the top of the key or when he post up , thats why his assists number are lower this post season compared to the last season, opposing teams are much more ready for him this time around . Jokic with the true PG such as Chris Paul for an example would have been much deadlier on the offense as the scorer , especially in the pick and roll and his passing would be a plus as the secondary facilitator .
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#78 » by skywalker33 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:59 am

Mickey8 wrote:Harden,Lowry,Curry, Doncic and some other players who are handling the ball a lot have much better vision than Murray, they can drive and kick the ball to the right spots , Murray is so limited as the facilitator . Jokic should never be the primary facilitator on the team , its easier to make game plan defensively for Jokic as the facilitator in the play off's, because he cant break down opposing defense by driving the basketball , because he doesn't do that , everything is at the top of the key or when he post up , thats why his assists number are lower this post season compared to the last season, opposing teams are much more ready for him this time around . Jokic with the true PG such as Chris Paul for an example would have been much deadlier on the offense as the scorer , especially in the pick and roll and his passing would be a plus as the secondary facilitator .


So much wrong with this but to the point, it IS called the Jokic offense BECAUSE HE'S THE FACILITATOR :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#79 » by The Rebel » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:31 pm

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skywalker33 wrote:I’m on record as saying I’m not a fan of Malone as a coach but do give him credit for developing some players, his forte IMO. I thought he out-coached Snyder as well as a talent-deprived Popovich-led SA team last year but is got smacked around by POR and LAC this year.

Question is, can Malone get us past the 2nd round, is that his limit ? Can he get over his own ego with rookies to see beyond his schemes and give us a fighting chance or are we just on his timeline ?

Also, who could we get that’s better ? Popovich ? Chauncey ? Buds been mentioned too but would the Nuggets FO pay to get one of those ?


Sorry but Malone was clearly outcoached by Pop, we had a clear advantage on talent, there is no reason that series should have went to 7 games other than Pop exploited every weakness we had while we struggled to take advantage of their weaknesses at all and just used our superior talent to win games.

For that matter I think he got out coached by Snyder as well. The huge adjustment that Malone made was to stop calling the same play over and over again, and of course Harris getting healthy, but he did not come up with any adjustments on defense that worked.

I like the idea of all 3 of those, although Budinger is probably my last choice of the 3, he has the same issue as Malone as sticking with his system and refusing to make adjustments off of it. The difference is that Budinger does seem to get every bit of talent out of his guys while I cannot say the same for Malone.

The Kroenke's have always said that they would pay for a contender, but I also remember there was an insider that used to post here that flat said Stan does not think the coach makes a huge difference and did not want the coach to be the star of the team. So I doubt he would get Pop or Chauncey, because if we are realistic both of those guys have bigger names than anybody associated with the Nuggets right now.

Fact is despite his idiot statements at his press conference, MPJ along with Jokic and Murray should make this team a true contender. With the right pieces around them we can win a championhsip, but those pieces include the right coach.

I actually think Popovich would be the perfect hire, he knows how to adjust his schemes to his roster, he knows how to get every bit of talent out of guys, and he loves Jokic and murray. I don't think Stan should give a crap what it cost as I think Pop could make this team a contender. A championship means a lot of money now and in the future for a franchise.

I would settle for Chauncey as he proved during his career that he knows how to play different ways and I am sure he understands different systems that would work for our team. Plus he has worked with Murray and Morris both in the past and has played a part in their growth.

My 3rd choice would be Becky Hammond, she has worked her way up Pop's staff to being a top assistant, and has a hell of a career as a player. I think it would be an interesting choice, but I would give her a chance.

I would also still give Melvin Hunt a chance, he got a team with nothing to play for to give everything they had and win games despite being forced to sit 3 rotation players every night. He understood how to help them succeed, plus he has been a top assistant with some very good coaches.

That being said, I just do not see them firing Malone. He met expectations this year, and with the injuries and MPJ being so young he will likely get another year. I think the Shawful mess scared the hell out of Connelly and Josh Kroenke, I think they are okay with 2nd round exits right now as opposed to another mess with a bad coach.


If we're going to fire coaches for getting "out-coached" in the playoff series they win, we're not going to keep coaches very long.

We're talking about a guy who took a baby team to the brink of WCF last year. Looks like we will not come quite so close this year, but in all honesty LAC is a much better team than POR, maybe the best team in the league.

WCF would have been a success this year. Losing in the 1st round would have been a big failure. Looks like we're going to wind up somewhere in the middle of that. I don't see why you would even consider firing a coach who has developed this team from nothing at this point. He is a young coach with a young team, and he's learning too. And what I see happening in the games they're losing, especially game 7 last yr. vs. Por, and game 3 the other night, is young players not making shots down the stretch. I don't know what coaching Malone can do to make Grant, Craig, Harris, and in the last few games Murray, hit wide open shots.


If your coach is being outcoached in every series he is in and winning purely on talent than the coach deserves to be fired.

The brink of the WCF happened because we had a superstar putting up historical great numbers and carrying the team through the playoffs.

Development and winning are 2 very different things, there are a lot of teams that need Malone, but he does not know how to win in the NBA.

FAct is Malone is not learning, he is doing the same thing this year as he did last year, which is calling the JOkic and Murray pick and roll until the series is almost over and then stop calling plays long enough for the Nuggets talent to actually take over and win games. This time it may not work though as the Clippers are too talented to go down 3-1 and still hope to win the series.
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Re: Coach Malone 

Post#80 » by The Rebel » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:32 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Harden,Lowry,Curry, Doncic and some other players who are handling the ball a lot have much better vision than Murray, they can drive and kick the ball to the right spots , Murray is so limited as the facilitator . Jokic should never be the primary facilitator on the team , its easier to make game plan defensively for Jokic as the facilitator in the play off's, because he cant break down opposing defense by driving the basketball , because he doesn't do that , everything is at the top of the key or when he post up , thats why his assists number are lower this post season compared to the last season, opposing teams are much more ready for him this time around . Jokic with the true PG such as Chris Paul for an example would have been much deadlier on the offense as the scorer , especially in the pick and roll and his passing would be a plus as the secondary facilitator .


Murray is fine getting to the rim when Jokic is not on the court, when Jokic is on the court than they keep the paint open for cutters, it is not that hard to figure out. Chris Paul would completely destroy the offense, and take what makes Jokic so special away, and we win less games.

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