Extensions for Beasley and Juancho

Powder Blue · Post #1 » by **Powder Blue** » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:10 pm

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2019/9/20/20875333/20-questions-will-the-nuggets-sign-malik-beasley-or-juancho-hernangomez-to-extensions

Plumlee's overpaid contract is coming off the books soon, time to overpay someone else!

I'm okay with a midsized deal for Beasley, paying Juancho more to be at the end of the rotation again makes no sense to me. Let him ball out and earn it, it's okay to let end of the bench players go, we don't have to keep em all.

Post #2 » by **THE J0KER** » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:43 pm

Beasley extension is no-brainer, we have only two backup backcourt players, and Beasley is even potential 6th man of the year contender if more improves.

For Juancho, I can't see extension this October, because we have right now chaos at SF spot and too many questions waiting for the answer, including about Juancho consistency.

skywalker33 · Post #3 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:09 am

Yeah, Joker's nailed this one. We should definitely look to sign Beasley but he may be looking to become a starter which would hinder negotiations. Juancho isn't likely to be signed IMO unless he has a great camp/season, there's a lot of competition for his job as well as mins.

Post #4 » by **The Rebel** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:24 pm

I don't see anyway that either extension gets done. Maybe I am wrong, but I think Beasley and his people know that if he has a season as good as last season only with better defense than he is in for a big contract. I also think that Juancho is not in a position to sign an extension as the last 2 years with mono and the injury he has failed to show any consistency and is likely to get a bigger deal next summer if he stays healthy this year.

skywalker33 · Post #5 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:15 pm

I’m kinda hoping that we may be able to keep Juancho on the cheap because of his issues the past two years. I know he and his people are hoping to build off the FIBA tourney but it’s hard when it’s not the NBA evaluation level. I can see a rebuilding team like CLE or MEM taking a hard look as I see him having long-term potential

Post #6 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:42 pm

Should Beasley sign an extension?
- If he signs an extension, will he get as much as if he waits? Not if he has a great year. I just don't think they'll give him a big enough offer to get him to sign.
- If he doesn't sign an extension, he's gambling he'll have a great year or he could end up with "role player salary".
It boils down to how much do the Nuggets believe in him and how much does he believe in himself.

Post #7 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:45 pm

Should Juancho Hernangomez sign an extension?
- I'd say he should absolutely sign any extension they offer him. I love his game and would love to keep him, but I just don't see him as more than a 4th or 5th starter at best and more likely as a career bench player (that I'd love to have on the team). It seems likely that even one good year won't vault his value high enough to make a big difference in his contract; so he should take the money that's offered. The Nuggets have a reputation of being fair to perhaps better than fair with role players.

TunaFish · Post #8 » by **TunaFish** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:26 am

Talent wise, I think they want to keep both for the bench or as spot starters. How they will do it above the tax threshold is the mystery.

Powder Blue · Post #9 » by **Powder Blue** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:30 am

For some context Juancho will make $3.3 mil this year, Beasley $2.7.

The Nuggets have to change the way they maintain the roster going forward. Murray and Jokic will be owed nearly $30M each next year with Harris sitting at $20M. When you hand out that kinda money to starters you have a tight budget on the bench. Juancho to me isn’t worth over $5 a year and even that is a stretch given he’s not in the rotation and we have a ton of wings. Beasley a diff story since we’re lighter at the 2 and he showed solid growth last year. 3/$25-30 maybe?

Realistically you can’t pay them both and have room under the tax to solidify the front court (re-up Grant and/or Milsap and sign a backup C) next year.

Doesn’t help that we’ve drafted a bunch of injured projects that aren’t contributing on their rookie deals....yet.

JamalMurray · Post #10 » by **JamalMurray** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:10 pm

Juancho's going to be cheap and he and Jokic make music together. Keep him around.

Beasley is great but he's going to be expensive and we really should be playing Barton at SG off the bench. Add in Torrey Craig and Harris as the starter and our depth at SG is probably pretty secure. I might make him a fair offer and then think about trading him after this season if he doesn't accept.

TunaFish · Post #11 » by **TunaFish** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:53 pm

Powder Blue wrote:For some context Juancho will make $3.3 mil this year, Beasley $2.7.

The Nuggets have to change the way they maintain the roster going forward. Murray and Jokic will be owed nearly $30M each next year with Harris sitting at $20M. When you hand out that kinda money to starters you have a tight budget on the bench. Juancho to me isn’t worth over $5 a year and even that is a stretch given he’s not in the rotation and we have a ton of wings. Beasley a diff story since we’re lighter at the 2 and he showed solid growth last year. 3/$25-30 maybe?

Realistically you can’t pay them both and have room under the tax to solidify the front court (re-up Grant and/or Milsap and sign a backup C) next year.

Doesn’t help that we’ve drafted a bunch of injured projects that aren’t contributing on their rookie deals....yet.

Yes, the Nuggets have reached the point where they have to decide before the end of October the status of both Hernangomez and Beasley. It's no accident they have leaked their interest in retaining them but we have to wonder at whose expense on the current roster. This will be an important season for Grant as his contract (like Millsap) is also expiring.

TunaFish · Post #12 » by **TunaFish** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:12 pm

JamalMurray wrote:Juancho's going to be cheap and he and Jokic make music together. Keep him around.

Beasley is great but he's going to be expensive and we really should be playing Barton at SG off the bench. Add in Torrey Craig and Harris as the starter and our depth at SG is probably pretty secure. I might make him a fair offer and then think about trading him after this season if he doesn't accept.

I like them both but there is a lot riding on Connelly making the right decisions. He built this roster. He must have foreseen the possibility that he would have a lot of emerging talent. Grant is a key here, they will have to see what they have before they can end the possibility of keeping him.

It's almost like this is a setup for three players (Hernangomez, Beasley and Grant) competing for the last big salary slot in the near future.

My guess is that they can't come to an extension agreement with Beasley but will make the QO and keep him restricted. They make an agreement with Hernangomez. Millsap will expire and I have no idea how they plan to handle Grant.

skywalker33 · Post #13 » by **skywalker33** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Beasley has switched agents, signing with Klutch Sports and Rich Paul, seems like trouble for us IMO.

TunaFish · Post #14 » by **TunaFish** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:49 pm

Ironically, today NBA TV rebroadcast the Nuggets at the Raptors from December, 2018. This is a game where both Beasley and Hernangomez started. Both played well scoring 15 and looking effective at the end of the game. A game the Nuggets won with Jokic at the line.

It you look at just this one game you have to think the Nuggets will try and keep both. Unfortunately, down the road Hernangomez would get hurt and Beasley would disappear in the playoffs.

Coeur · Post #15 » by **Coeur** » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:52 am

I’d go up to 18 per area if you could lock Beasley in now. Or 10 or so on hernangomez. Both worth extending and either trading or keeping.

skywalker33 · Post #16 » by **skywalker33** » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:35 am

Coeur wrote:I’d go up to 18 per area if you could lock Beasley in now. Or 10 or so on hernangomez. Both worth extending and either trading or keeping.

That's a lot of money for your 2nd unit, starter money there.....not realistic IMO

Powder Blue · Post #17 » by **Powder Blue** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:36 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:I’d go up to 18 per area if you could lock Beasley in now. Or 10 or so on hernangomez. Both worth extending and either trading or keeping.

That's a lot of money for your 2nd unit, starter money there.....not realistic IMO

Yea this a recipe for disaster right here, Not only are they not worth that. Uhh to us that would also leave us 0 under-tax dollars for the front court.

Coeur · Post #18 » by **Coeur** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:03 am

Powder Blue wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:I’d go up to 18 per area if you could lock Beasley in now. Or 10 or so on hernangomez. Both worth extending and either trading or keeping.

That's a lot of money for your 2nd unit, starter money there.....not realistic IMO

Yea this a recipe for disaster right here, Not only are they not worth that. Uhh to us that would also leave us 0 under-tax dollars for the front court.

You don’t believe Beasley has starter value over the next 4 years? Or you just want to give that value away?

I get you are worried about spending someone else’s money and that’s ______. But think you are wrong to say they aren’t worth those numbers individually.

What do you think each player is worth signing for. Taking out the cap situation and the Gary harris and Barton and all other deals.

You still have to individually manage each asset or choose to give them away which is the common opinion of the 3-4 main posters here.

Sounds like your opinion is trade them both or let them walk at the end of the year so you can afford Gary harris and Barton.

skywalker33 · Post #19 » by **skywalker33** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:02 am

Coeur wrote:
Powder Blue wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
That's a lot of money for your 2nd unit, starter money there.....not realistic IMO

Yea this a recipe for disaster right here, Not only are they not worth that. Uhh to us that would also leave us 0 under-tax dollars for the front court.

You don’t believe Beasley has starter value over the next 4 years? Or you just want to give that value away?

I get you are worried about spending someone else’s money and that’s ______. But think you are wrong to say they aren’t worth those numbers individually.

What do you think each player is worth signing for. Taking out the cap situation and the Gary harris and Barton and all other deals.

You still have to individually manage each asset or choose to give them away which is the common opinion of the 3-4 main posters here.

Sounds like your opinion is trade them both or let them walk at the end of the year so you can afford Gary harris and Barton.

Where did I say that I wanted to give away Beasley ?? Where did I say he isn't worth that ?? You like to twist things around to make things looks skewed toward your POV.

Do I think Beasley can start ??? Yeah I think he CAN not sure he's ready to do that yet. And you CAN'T just take out Harris' and Barton's deals, they're facts you have to deal with, either now or in the future.... you can't make them magically disappear.

Do I think we can keep Beasley, I sure hope so, I'd take him over Juancho if I had to choose. But if Lou Williams is only getting $8M, my hope is we can get Malik at $10-12M if he want to stay on a true contender. I'm not sure that happens now that he's hired Klutch but if he doesn't sign, he can bring back a decent asset IMO.

Post #20 » by **NuggetsWY** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:19 am

Coeur wrote:
Powder Blue wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:That's a lot of money for your 2nd unit, starter money there.....not realistic IMO

Yea this a recipe for disaster right here, Not only are they not worth that. Uhh to us that would also leave us 0 under-tax dollars for the front court.

You don’t believe Beasley has starter value over the next 4 years? Or you just want to give that value away?

I get you are worried about spending someone else’s money and that’s ______. But think you are wrong to say they aren’t worth those numbers individually.

What do you think each player is worth signing for. Taking out the cap situation and the Gary harris and Barton and all other deals.

You still have to individually manage each asset or choose to give them away which is the common opinion of the 3-4 main posters here.

Sounds like your opinion is trade them both or let them walk at the end of the year so you can afford Gary harris and Barton.

I'm a huge fan of Beasley but I'm not yet convinced he is the starting SG on a championship contending team. He's a nice modern player but every team needs some defenders and Beasley isn't applying himself on that end of the court - at least not as much as I would like to see based on his athleticism. I'd suggest something more like Grant's contract of something around $9m. Many solid contributors have signed for less than half of what the top starters sign for. Half of Harris would be less than $10m and certainly Beasley shouldn't be getting more than Barton's $13m this year - not until he proves himself a little more than he has.

Managing cap issues is a serious issue. If your top three players each receive one-third of the cap, no one else can get much more than minimum or an exception slot.

I'd suggest Beasley be signed for a short contract with team or player options - say a 3 or 4 year contract. If he proves his value, empty the bank, but don't empty it now.

As for Hernangomez, I see him as a career bench player or a 4th or 5th starter. I like his fit on the Nuggets but I'd suggest a nice, long contract that approaches $10m.