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Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:18 pm
by NuggetsWY
The Rebel wrote:The deal works according to the trade checker on here, you know the one that professional teams pay to use the scaled up version? I literally posted a link to it in my post above, that tradenba is a cheap knockoff that has had plenty of issues and ESPNs trade machine doesn't even have Millsap's correct salary.
I find the RealGM trade checker takes a little getting used to and a little bit to understand (at least for me); but it is easily the most accurate.
I find ESPN's trade checker to be easier to use as a general guideline and it's usually accurate.
There are other trade checkers that I have looked at and mostly rejected for various reasons. TradeNBA is my favorite of those but it seems lacking in intelligence. For example; when you have a two-team trade going, you still have to designate which team a player is going to. It's not a terrible trade checker, just not very smooth.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:19 pm
by Coeur
This is maybe the first time on this board that nearly everyone sees this as a time a trade is needed. And it sure seems something is going to happen.
We know that the group belief here was that there was absolutely no way that trading Gary Harris, Bart, and millsap 2 years ago was something the Nugs should do. There was a ton of positive trade value in that group 2 years ago and I’m not saying now that we were wrong on this board then. It doesn’t need to be said now does it?
The Nugs went from one of the very deepest rosters in the league with “too many” options to now needing to make moves to fill holes. Was holding on to Gary Harris a year and a half too long worth it? Was it worth having to let Beasley go? Was it worth now possibly having to give up Nnaji, hampton, bolbol, or picks now?
I can only speak for myself- I think this is the third time I have been absolutely certain that a specific trade should happen.
* AG for almost whatever it takes, and that bogdan bogdanovic on top of that would make the the Nugs an actual title contender
* Gary Harris and Barton for Brandon Clarke, Wiggins, and saric: was considered a horrible idea for the Nugs around here. Beasley wasn’t good enough to clear a path for. Wiggins would have hurt the team more than Clarke couldve helped
* the trade I got exactly my way on? I was the biggest Bargnani to the Nugs trade proponent there was. Bargnani to the Nugs alongside Carmelo was going to make the Nugs a true title contender. If they made that trade nothing but great things were coming for the Nugs.
No way to be sure of anything other than the past. And that it’s exciting to wonder what will happen. I know I wish to see how Hampton and even Bolbol turn out in this league before seeing them traded. And I REALLY DONT want to see Nnaji traded today.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:21 pm
by NuggetsWY
The Rebel wrote:I hope this isn't all we do.
Well, it would improve our defense - probably not as much as many might think. Since Jokic plays 36 mpg. Unless Malone plans to use Jokic as a forward. But then McGee allows defenders to sag off and close the paint down, which reduces Jokic's effectiveness.
I don't object to McGee and actually like him. I'd prefer he was our third center: Jokic, young center, veteran center - just in case of injury to Jokic. Then again, injury to Jokic would still be a major problem; so I guess three centers isn't so important.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:28 pm
by NuggetsWY
Coeur wrote:No way to be sure of anything other than the past. And that it’s exciting to wonder what will happen. I know I wish to see how Hampton and even Bolbol turn out in this league before seeing them traded. And I REALLY DONT want to see Nnaji traded today.
Of course I don't agree with your entire post, but there's some logic in much of it. I guess I'm too old-school and too small-market aware to buy into the modern motif of constantly looking for big names and never being satisfied and so forth.
Small market teams just can't compete when it comes to big names and salary cap doesn't fix that problem - but it helps.
Media and sponsorships and advertising is the biggest money for the biggest names. That doesn't come in small markets and very, very few athletes every get major money from national advertising.
I'm a patient old man and willing to wait and see if the Nuggets can build a championship team primarily through the draft, with a few minor trades along the way.
Where I do agree with you right now is that I think the Nuggets have enough potential that trading for one significant player could take us to the NBA Finals. Who that player is, could be difficult. But in my opinion, it should be a solid defender at either wing slot. I would also hate trading certain players but I would refuse to trade Jokic, Murray, Porter and almost refuse to trade Nnaji.
But that's just my opinion and I've been wrong before.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:45 pm
by Manolito
Two second round picks for a expiring 34 yo who will play 10 minutes un Play off and can't stay on the court together with your franchise player.
Rim protection is clearly a need, but there are other higher priorities and these picks should have been used to sweet other deals
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Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:12 pm
by The Rebel
Looks like the Magic are blowing things up.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:13 pm
by Mickey8
Denver needs perimeter defenders or players who can score , fire power off the bench .
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:27 pm
by THE J0KER
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:30 pm
by THE J0KER
In trade talks with the Denver Nuggets, the Magic would prefer Will Barton over Gary Harris in a potential Aaron Gordon deal, league sources told HoopsHype. Barton has a $14.6 million player option for next season while Harris is owed a guaranteed $20.9 million. Orlando also has interest in rookie guard RJ Hampton while Denver is reluctant to trade Bol Bol as part of the trade package for Gordon.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:35 pm
by The Rebel
Seems cheap for Fournier, but then cap space is valuable.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:44 pm
by KKP
Furnie is what you need, good on the ball dictates the tempo and thus narrows the last frame of your perimeter role players, and thus frees them from creations where they are limited. Jokic does not tighten the line so well by pressing
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:51 pm
by skywalker33
KKP wrote:Furnie is what you need, good on the ball dictates the tempo and thus narrows the last frame of your perimeter role players, and thus frees them from creations where they are limited. Jokic does not tighten the line so well by pressing
What we need is defense on the perimeter, something Fournier (I'm presuming that's who Furnie is
) doesn't do
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:53 pm
by Manolito
I find pretty weird that BOS is trading for Fournier and Gordon is not included in the deal. I would say that means BOS is not interested in him anymore.
if that is the case, Gordon is between DEN or POR. It would be great to get Ross as well, as ORL seems to blow everything up
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:54 pm
by skywalker33
A bit underwhelmed with the McGee trade but it does help with rim protection. Days not over yet, just hope we keep out talent here. Does feel like one too many 2nds for McGee, thought he would be cut by CLE.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:54 pm
by The Rebel
KKP wrote:Furnie is what you need, good on the ball dictates the tempo and thus narrows the last frame of your perimeter role players, and thus frees them from creations where they are limited. Jokic does not tighten the line so well by pressing
What? We could use Fournier as a bench scorer but he is not good enough to take the ball out of Jokic or Murray's hands.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:03 pm
by The Rebel
Manolito wrote:I find pretty weird that BOS is trading for Fournier and Gordon is not included in the deal. I would say that means BOS is not interested in him anymore.
if that is the case, Gordon is between DEN or POR. It would be great to get Ross as well, as ORL seems to blow everything up
Aldridge is reporting the Blazers are out, and Smith is saying the Celtics and Magic are talking about expanding the Fournier deal. I trust Aldridge, not so sure on Smith.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:24 pm
by skywalker33
HAve to think if ORL gives away Fournier for 2 2nd's, perhaps their asking price for Gordon has gone down as well. They can now afford to take on Harris' salary and perhaps a future draft pick while giving AG and one of those 2nds....
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:28 pm
by The Rebel
Twitter is going crazy saying we are getting Gordon and that Barton is being redirected to 3rd team.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:29 pm
by THE J0KER
skywalker33 wrote:HAve to think if ORL gives away Fournier for 2 2nd's, perhaps their asking price for Gordon has gone down as well. They can now afford to take on Harris' salary and perhaps a future draft pick while giving AG and one of those 2nds....
Fournier is an expiring player, unlike Gordon.
Re: Nuggets Trades
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:31 pm
by The Rebel
damn, 3 guys I wanted during the off-season being traded for each other.
