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Post#1961 » by THE J0KER » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:29 pm

The way Aaron Gordon playing this season in Orlando much more suits the Nuggets game than he played previously. His TS% is still low but also higher than of Harris and RJ, and he very improved in 3pt shooting this season and has career-high assists per game being a much more team-oriented player than ever before. If he realizes what is going to be his Nuggets role Gordon will be a great addition to Denver. I see him as a useful 3&D&d (d=dunks) player.
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Post#1962 » by NuggetsWY » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:56 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Grant didn't deserve to have any plays called for him, he's not the good offensive player. I dont care about his ppg averages , his shooting percentages are poor , team is not successful, anyone can score a lot on the bad teams, when you have unlimited freedom to shoot. Gordon is the same type of the player on the offense , he should be a garbage man, if he can defend as the "experts" claim, then that should be his role , and score easy points off the assists, that should be his role .


Well, I totally disagree with you regarding Grant, problem was Malone disregarded any offensive production he could've added, realistically forcing us into the situation where we needed to make this trade. I think Gordon is who he is, he'll have to adapt to this team but Malone shouldn't overlook any potential because he is being pigeon-holed into one role, same thing he did with Grant.

Interestingly enough, we no longer have a Big THREE, we have a Core FOUR, which means we have FOUR options to lead this team, how many teams can say that ? While I believe Jokic will always be the focus and leader of this team. we can now throw off how other teams try to scheme against us by changing the focus based upon matchups much like they do in football. Doubt Malone is smart enough to do it but seems that would be an approach we could utilize given time to develop.

Highlighted the key: If this team doesn't IMPRESS in the playoffs, there is only two possible reasons, make that three:
1. Massive/major injuries
2. Players decide they want to lose
3. Coach doesn't know what he's doing
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Post#1963 » by psimanic1 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:32 am

NuggetsWY wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Grant didn't deserve to have any plays called for him, he's not the good offensive player. I dont care about his ppg averages , his shooting percentages are poor , team is not successful, anyone can score a lot on the bad teams, when you have unlimited freedom to shoot. Gordon is the same type of the player on the offense , he should be a garbage man, if he can defend as the "experts" claim, then that should be his role , and score easy points off the assists, that should be his role .


Well, I totally disagree with you regarding Grant, problem was Malone disregarded any offensive production he could've added, realistically forcing us into the situation where we needed to make this trade. I think Gordon is who he is, he'll have to adapt to this team but Malone shouldn't overlook any potential because he is being pigeon-holed into one role, same thing he did with Grant.

Interestingly enough, we no longer have a Big THREE, we have a Core FOUR, which means we have FOUR options to lead this team, how many teams can say that ? While I believe Jokic will always be the focus and leader of this team. we can now throw off how other teams try to scheme against us by changing the focus based upon matchups much like they do in football. Doubt Malone is smart enough to do it but seems that would be an approach we could utilize given time to develop.

Highlighted the key: If this team doesn't IMPRESS in the playoffs, there is only two possible reasons, make that three:
1. Massive/major injuries
2. Players decide they want to lose
3. Coach doesn't know what he's doing


Would switch 2 and 3 places, because 2 is likely as much as Facu winning Dunk contes by Jumping over Bol Bol
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Post#1964 » by Mickey8 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:49 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Grant didn't deserve to have any plays called for him, he's not the good offensive player. I dont care about his ppg averages , his shooting percentages are poor , team is not successful, anyone can score a lot on the bad teams, when you have unlimited freedom to shoot. Gordon is the same type of the player on the offense , he should be a garbage man, if he can defend as the "experts" claim, then that should be his role , and score easy points off the assists, that should be his role .



Well, I totally disagree with you regarding Grant, problem was Malone disregarded any offensive production he could've added, realistically forcing us into the situation where we needed to make this trade. I think Gordon is who he is, he'll have to adapt to this team but Malone shouldn't overlook any potential because he is being pigeon-holed into one role, same thing he did with Grant.

Interestingly enough, we no longer have a Big THREE, we have a Core FOUR, which means we have FOUR options to lead this team, how many teams can say that ? While I believe Jokic will always be the focus and leader of this team. we can now throw off how other teams try to scheme against us by changing the focus based upon matchups much like they do in football. Doubt Malone is smart enough to do it but seems that would be an approach we could utilize given time to develop.

Grant got enough open looks a easy lay up's with Denver , he's not that good of a scorer , in Detroit he chucks unlimited amount of shots , the team is going nowhere , he can be useful specialist on the good team but him being one of the main scoring option is the disaster for the team.
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Post#1965 » by skywalker33 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:47 am

Mickey8 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Grant didn't deserve to have any plays called for him, he's not the good offensive player. I dont care about his ppg averages , his shooting percentages are poor , team is not successful, anyone can score a lot on the bad teams, when you have unlimited freedom to shoot. Gordon is the same type of the player on the offense , he should be a garbage man, if he can defend as the "experts" claim, then that should be his role , and score easy points off the assists, that should be his role .



Well, I totally disagree with you regarding Grant, problem was Malone disregarded any offensive production he could've added, realistically forcing us into the situation where we needed to make this trade. I think Gordon is who he is, he'll have to adapt to this team but Malone shouldn't overlook any potential because he is being pigeon-holed into one role, same thing he did with Grant.

Interestingly enough, we no longer have a Big THREE, we have a Core FOUR, which means we have FOUR options to lead this team, how many teams can say that ? While I believe Jokic will always be the focus and leader of this team. we can now throw off how other teams try to scheme against us by changing the focus based upon matchups much like they do in football. Doubt Malone is smart enough to do it but seems that would be an approach we could utilize given time to develop.

Grant got enough open looks a easy lay up's with Denver , he's not that good of a scorer , in Detroit he chucks unlimited amount of shots , the team is going nowhere , he can be useful specialist on the good team but him being one of the main scoring option is the disaster for the team.


My point is, if we kept Grant, we'd still have Hampton and the 2025 1st
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Post#1966 » by TunaFish » Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:38 pm

Maybe a pickup for the playoffs?

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Post#1967 » by skywalker33 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:07 am

TunaFish wrote:Maybe a pickup for the playoffs?

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Unless he's bought out, no way for us to get him for the playoffs
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Post#1968 » by TunaFish » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:19 am

skywalker33 wrote:
TunaFish wrote:Maybe a pickup for the playoffs?

Read on Twitter


Unless he's bought out, no way for us to get him for the playoffs


OKC has to buy him out. He is on a 27 mil contract for this year and 26.5 mil for next season. And he isn't playing.

OKC is tanking and Horford will get to pick his next stop, soon.
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Post#1969 » by Coeur » Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:40 am

TunaFish wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
TunaFish wrote:Maybe a pickup for the playoffs?

Read on Twitter


Unless he's bought out, no way for us to get him for the playoffs


OKC has to buy him out. He is on a 27 mil contract for this year and 26.5 mil for next season. And he isn't playing.

OKC is tanking and Horford will get to pick his next stop, soon.

Def not the case. Horford has this year and 2 more remaining. And okc will def choose his next stop and trade him there during the off-season.
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Post#1970 » by Manolito » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:55 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:

Well, I totally disagree with you regarding Grant, problem was Malone disregarded any offensive production he could've added, realistically forcing us into the situation where we needed to make this trade. I think Gordon is who he is, he'll have to adapt to this team but Malone shouldn't overlook any potential because he is being pigeon-holed into one role, same thing he did with Grant.

Interestingly enough, we no longer have a Big THREE, we have a Core FOUR, which means we have FOUR options to lead this team, how many teams can say that ? While I believe Jokic will always be the focus and leader of this team. we can now throw off how other teams try to scheme against us by changing the focus based upon matchups much like they do in football. Doubt Malone is smart enough to do it but seems that would be an approach we could utilize given time to develop.

Grant got enough open looks a easy lay up's with Denver , he's not that good of a scorer , in Detroit he chucks unlimited amount of shots , the team is going nowhere , he can be useful specialist on the good team but him being one of the main scoring option is the disaster for the team.


My point is, if we kept Grant, we'd still have Hampton and the 2025 1st
Grant cost only ONE first round. The other one sent at Gordon's trade was to get rid of Harris' contract.

Had Grant resigned, Monte Morris would not be on the team.

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Post#1971 » by The Rebel » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:37 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:

Well, I totally disagree with you regarding Grant, problem was Malone disregarded any offensive production he could've added, realistically forcing us into the situation where we needed to make this trade. I think Gordon is who he is, he'll have to adapt to this team but Malone shouldn't overlook any potential because he is being pigeon-holed into one role, same thing he did with Grant.

Interestingly enough, we no longer have a Big THREE, we have a Core FOUR, which means we have FOUR options to lead this team, how many teams can say that ? While I believe Jokic will always be the focus and leader of this team. we can now throw off how other teams try to scheme against us by changing the focus based upon matchups much like they do in football. Doubt Malone is smart enough to do it but seems that would be an approach we could utilize given time to develop.

Grant got enough open looks a easy lay up's with Denver , he's not that good of a scorer , in Detroit he chucks unlimited amount of shots , the team is going nowhere , he can be useful specialist on the good team but him being one of the main scoring option is the disaster for the team.


My point is, if we kept Grant, we'd still have Hampton and the 2025 1st


I don't think the Nuggets could have done anything to convice Grant to stay, while the official statements through the agent was that he left due to role, Grant himself said it was due to the color of the GM and coach in Detroit.

https://clutchpoints.com/pistons-news-jerami-grants-real-reason-for-leaving-nuggets-to-sign-with-detroit/

Not the Nuggets fault that the only thing that mattered to grant was someone's race.
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Post#1972 » by The Rebel » Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:38 pm

Manolito wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Grant got enough open looks a easy lay up's with Denver , he's not that good of a scorer , in Detroit he chucks unlimited amount of shots , the team is going nowhere , he can be useful specialist on the good team but him being one of the main scoring option is the disaster for the team.


My point is, if we kept Grant, we'd still have Hampton and the 2025 1st
Grant cost only ONE first round. The other one sent at Gordon's trade was to get rid of Harris' contract.

Had Grant resigned, Monte Morris would not be on the team.

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Why would MOrris not be on the team?
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Post#1973 » by skywalker33 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:40 pm

Manolito wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Grant got enough open looks a easy lay up's with Denver , he's not that good of a scorer , in Detroit he chucks unlimited amount of shots , the team is going nowhere , he can be useful specialist on the good team but him being one of the main scoring option is the disaster for the team.


My point is, if we kept Grant, we'd still have Hampton and the 2025 1st
Grant cost only ONE first round. The other one sent at Gordon's trade was to get rid of Harris' contract.

Had Grant resigned, Monte Morris would not be on the team.

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First, again you missed the point so need to further this conversation,. Second, how did you come up with Morris being gone had Grant resigned ? We still would've signed him but there's no way to tell that either way, just pure speculation on both parts but history supports mine.
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Post#1974 » by NuggetsWY » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:02 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Manolito wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
My point is, if we kept Grant, we'd still have Hampton and the 2025 1st
Grant cost only ONE first round. The other one sent at Gordon's trade was to get rid of Harris' contract.

Had Grant resigned, Monte Morris would not be on the team.


First, again you missed the point so need to further this conversation,. Second, how did you come up with Morris being gone had Grant resigned ? We still would've signed him but there's no way to tell that either way, just pure speculation on both parts but history supports mine.

:lol: and this would be why I seldom respond to "What if ..." on the General Board

So let's have fun with an example: "The Trailblazers could have drafted Michael Jordan and if Chicago went into full on tank mode, they could have drafted David Robinson instead of Scottie Pippen and ..." :eek1:
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Post#1975 » by Manolito » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:13 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Manolito wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
My point is, if we kept Grant, we'd still have Hampton and the 2025 1st
Grant cost only ONE first round. The other one sent at Gordon's trade was to get rid of Harris' contract.

Had Grant resigned, Monte Morris would not be on the team.

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First, again you missed the point so need to further this conversation,. Second, how did you come up with Morris being gone had Grant resigned ? We still would've signed him but there's no way to tell that either way, just pure speculation on both parts but history supports mine.
I missed no point, I clearly told you Gordon' s trade included FRP and Hampton because we were getting rid of Harris' contract. You missed Tucker was traded one week ago and nobody said anything.

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Post#1976 » by skywalker33 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:31 pm

Manolito wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Manolito wrote:Grant cost only ONE first round. The other one sent at Gordon's trade was to get rid of Harris' contract.

Had Grant resigned, Monte Morris would not be on the team.

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First, again you missed the point so need to further this conversation,. Second, how did you come up with Morris being gone had Grant resigned ? We still would've signed him but there's no way to tell that either way, just pure speculation on both parts but history supports mine.
I missed no point, I clearly told you Gordon' s trade included FRP and Hampton because we were getting rid of Harris' contract. You missed Tucker was traded one week ago and nobody said anything.

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OK Mano, you responded to my post when I stated we wouldn't have needed to trade another 1st along with Hampton and Harris IF we'd been able to resign Grant. The Gordon trade would most likely have never happened had Grant stayed, that trade would've been redundant and we would still have Hampton, Harris and that SECOND 1st. If you can't see that, I can't help you out ! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Post#1977 » by Coeur » Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:17 am

Grant, Gary Harris, RJ Hampton, 2025 1st
Or
AG, j green, and roster flexibility/cap space (25 mill?)


I think 2 things make this clear for me. Gordon is better and a way better fit for 2/3 the cost of grant. Basically Ag and green for the price of grant. And then as far as 2025 1st and Hampton: Nugs best chance to ever win a title is 2021 and 2022.

The part we keep leaving out is the roster flexibility the Nugs will have this offseason and next year. When you take 20-25 mill in caps ace, j green @8 and if you had to multiple picks and Monte Morris: there’s pretty good reasons to believe that another big improvement/addition is possible. That would not be the case if they were paying Gary Harris and grant 40-45 million next season.
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Post#1978 » by skywalker33 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:36 pm

Just 1 game, but I may have to eat some crow about Gordon. Change of scenery has obviously had a positive effect, influence on his game. Most local analysts point out that his athleticism is far superior to Grant's so seems like a big upgrade. I saw a more confident shooter than Grant, one game but he seemed more efficient too. Looking forward to see what he does against stronger competition, what kind of impact he'll have on the Nuggets.
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Post#1979 » by psimanic1 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:56 pm

skywalker33 wrote:Just 1 game, but I may have to eat some crow about Gordon. Change of scenery has obviously had a positive effect, influence on his game. Most local analysts point out that his athleticism is far superior to Grant's so seems like a big upgrade. I saw a more confident shooter than Grant, one game but he seemed more efficient too. Looking forward to see what he does against stronger competition, what kind of impact he'll have on the Nuggets.

He also said something like, he doesnt care what option he is on offense he just want to make his team better in any way possible. It could be hard to keep this team but if we win in next 2 years, or atleast get to the finals, i could see Kroenke going over the cap to keep Core 4.we will need SG maybe even next year, but I would say thats the position with a lot of players that could fit right in. Can we find one more gem in the draft maybe?

I see quite a few long SGs in next year draft on mock drafts, if some of them can be 3&D, we shpuld gamble
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Post#1980 » by NuggetsWY » Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:18 pm

psimanic1 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:Just 1 game, but I may have to eat some crow about Gordon. Change of scenery has obviously had a positive effect, influence on his game. Most local analysts point out that his athleticism is far superior to Grant's so seems like a big upgrade. I saw a more confident shooter than Grant, one game but he seemed more efficient too. Looking forward to see what he does against stronger competition, what kind of impact he'll have on the Nuggets.

He also said something like, he doesnt care what option he is on offense he just want to make his team better in any way possible. It could be hard to keep this team but if we win in next 2 years, or atleast get to the finals, i could see Kroenke going over the cap to keep Core 4.we will need SG maybe even next year, but I would say thats the position with a lot of players that could fit right in. Can we find one more gem in the draft maybe?

I see quite a few long SGs in next year draft on mock drafts, if some of them can be 3&D, we shpuld gamble

Confidence is not something Gordon lacks. :winkgrin: What I loved the most was that he kept cutting toward the basket whenever Jokic got the ball. Who needs plays called for you? On the Nuggets, you can have all the points you want, if you will just move. I surely do hope that movement focus is contagious. :pray:

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