Training Camp - 15th Slot

Post #1 » by **NuggetsWY** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:33 am

I do believe the Nuggets have 14 players with guaranteed contracts for this year. Which Two-Way or Training Camp Signee makes the 15 man roster?

Zeller is a 29 year old backup center.
Bol is on a two-way contract.
Dozier is a PG with little experience and not a good shooting display.
Cook is a PF with no 3pt shot and too many turnovers but decent stats beyond that. He is on a two-way contract.

Edit: Corrected Cook's position

skywalker33 · Post #2 » by **skywalker33** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:46 am

NuggetsWY wrote:I do believe the Nuggets have 14 players with guaranteed contracts for this year. Which Two-Way or Training Camp Signee makes the 15 man roster?

Zeller is a 29 year old backup center.
Bol is on a two-way contract.
Dozier is a PG with little experience and not a good shooting display.
Cook is a PG with no 3pt shot and too many turnovers but decent stats beyond that. He is on a two-way contract.

Isn't Cook a PF ?? Bol should get more PT in the G-league so I see it between Dozier and Zeller...I'd like Dozier but I don't know why.

Post #3 » by **NuggetsWY** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:11 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:I do believe the Nuggets have 14 players with guaranteed contracts for this year. Which Two-Way or Training Camp Signee makes the 15 man roster?

Zeller is a 29 year old backup center.
Bol is on a two-way contract.
Dozier is a PG with little experience and not a good shooting display.
Cook is a PG with no 3pt shot and too many turnovers but decent stats beyond that. He is on a two-way contract.

Isn't Cook a PF ?? Bol should get more PT in the G-league so I see it between Dozier and Zeller...I'd like Dozier but I don't know why.

Yes, Cook is a PF and I just corrected the OP. Totally agree with your take on all of this.
I'm a little uncomfortable with still going with just two true centers, so I wouldn't mind Zeller but I'm also a little uncomfortable with having just two true PGs, so I wouldn't mind taking Dozier.

I guess, in my mind, it comes down to are we more comfortable with Beasley, Barton, Jokic, team-effort if we have an injured PG or are we more comfortable with Millsap, Grant, or calling up Bol if we have an injured center.

Coeur · Post #4 » by **Coeur** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:14 pm

Trades coming but If they don’t hold the spot open they could start w zeller available

Thought Bolbol was 16-17th guy this year to go back and forth?

Post #5 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:43 pm

Coeur wrote:Trades coming but If they don’t hold the spot open they could start w zeller available

Thought Bolbol was 16-17th guy this year to go back and forth?

Tyler Cook & Bol Bol have been signed to two-way contracts. However, the Nuggets could still convert them to regular NBA contracts (one of them anyway) and sign someone else to the two-way.

skywalker33 · Post #6 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:58 pm

Coeur wrote:Trades coming but If they don’t hold the spot open they could start w zeller available

Thought Bolbol was 16-17th guy this year to go back and forth?

Trades coming ??? What makes you say that ?? This team has shown how they value continuity and team chemistry, trades don't really help that. And Zeller was just picked up as a FA, can't see him having a lot of trade value. If we do make a trade I see it being closer to the All-Star break.

Coeur · Post #7 » by **Coeur** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:12 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Trades coming but If they don’t hold the spot open they could start w zeller available

Thought Bolbol was 16-17th guy this year to go back and forth?

Trades coming ??? What makes you say that ?? This team has shown how they value continuity and team chemistry, trades don't really help that. And Zeller was just picked up as a FA, can't see him having a lot of trade value. If we do make a trade I see it being closer to the All-Star break.

I just meant that they may hold the spot open for flexibility in a trade. Of course zeller has no trade value. I meant they may keep a 3rd Center on roster

TunaFish · Post #8 » by **TunaFish** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:07 pm

Coeur wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Trades coming but If they don’t hold the spot open they could start w zeller available

Thought Bolbol was 16-17th guy this year to go back and forth?

Trades coming ??? What makes you say that ?? This team has shown how they value continuity and team chemistry, trades don't really help that. And Zeller was just picked up as a FA, can't see him having a lot of trade value. If we do make a trade I see it being closer to the All-Star break.

I just meant that they may hold the spot open for flexibility in a trade. Of course zeller has no trade value. I meant they may keep a 3rd Center on roster

Zellar has some starts in his background and may be a resource for backup center. Plumlee was a liability in the Portland series and I can see where the Nuggets might start questioning his value. For regular season work, Plumlee is superior in size and strength. Zellar can shoot a little where Plumlee can't. They might use the 15th slot to hold Zellar if he shows in camp and preseason.

I think they want to develop Bol carefully and under a two way he can play a certain number of games to get NBA experience. If Bol blows up they cut Zellar.

Post #9 » by **THE J0KER** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:49 am

If someone is listed as part of the training camp roster is that means he is ready for 5/5 contact work, or he can work only individually because of injury issues? If this means Bol is working with the team, that is great news for me, but I'm even more confused about that two-way decision.

Post #10 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:26 am

THE J0KER wrote:If someone is listed as part of the training camp roster is that means he is ready for 5/5 contact work, or he can work only individually because of injury issues? If this means Bol is working with the team, that is great news for me, but I'm even more confused about that two-way decision.

Yeah, the rules can be confusing and I'm not 100% certain, but each team is allowed extra players for training camp. Typically these players have non-guaranteed contracts. I do know that teams with a G-League affiliate are allowed two more players during training camp than teams without a G-League affiliate.

Two-way players are allowed to practice with and play with the NBA team until the G-League season starts and then they only have a limited number of days with the NBA team.

Post #11 » by **THE J0KER** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:31 am

NuggetsWY wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:If someone is listed as part of the training camp roster is that means he is ready for 5/5 contact work, or he can work only individually because of injury issues? If this means Bol is working with the team, that is great news for me, but I'm even more confused about that two-way decision.

Yeah, the rules can be confusing and I'm not 100% certain, but each team is allowed extra players for training camp. Typically these players have non-guaranteed contracts. I do know that teams with a G-League affiliate are allowed two more players during training camp than teams without a G-League affiliate.

Two-way players are allowed to practice with and play with the NBA team until the G-League season starts and then they only have a limited number of days with the NBA team.

My question is more related to Bol Bol injury status because I never have seen him in Denver uniform doing 1/1 drills, especially not 5/5, only some shooting sessions and gym work.

Post #12 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:41 pm

THE J0KER wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:If someone is listed as part of the training camp roster is that means he is ready for 5/5 contact work, or he can work only individually because of injury issues? If this means Bol is working with the team, that is great news for me, but I'm even more confused about that two-way decision.

Yeah, the rules can be confusing and I'm not 100% certain, but each team is allowed extra players for training camp. Typically these players have non-guaranteed contracts. I do know that teams with a G-League affiliate are allowed two more players during training camp than teams without a G-League affiliate.

Two-way players are allowed to practice with and play with the NBA team until the G-League season starts and then they only have a limited number of days with the NBA team.

My question is more related to Bol Bol injury status because I never have seen him in Denver uniform doing 1/1 drills, especially not 5/5, only some shooting sessions and gym work.

When it comes to injury issues, a contract is a contract and nothing changes. If someone is cleared by the medical staff, they can engage in any drills, practices, etc.

skywalker33 · Post #13 » by **skywalker33** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:48 pm

In retrospect, I see this 15th slot almost better utilized if it’s empty, at least until after the trade deadline. How many mins will this player get the entire season, 70mins ? 90 mins ? Granted he’ll get practice time but unless it’s someone we’re truly developing (Bol ?) seems it allows us more trade flexibility leaving it open.

Post #14 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:23 pm

skywalker33 wrote:In retrospect, I see this 15th slot almost better utilized if it’s empty, at least until after the trade deadline. How many mins will this player get the entire season, 70mins ? 90 mins ? Granted he’ll get practice time but unless it’s someone we’re truly developing (Bol ?) seems it allows us more trade flexibility leaving it open.

I get that and when they first expanded the roster to 15, some teams took that viewpoint. But these days, the end-of-the-bench guys typically get salaries that don't even bother the team and they like having more players for practices.

I've often wondered why they don't hire 6-8 young, former college players that never had a shot at the NBA. They could use them as "staff" for practicing. Give them $100k or a little more, don't take them on road trips. It'd be a cushy job. They'd have to put a condition on them of staying shape. But they could have them working out in their facilities, using their training staff and so forth.

skywalker33 · Post #15 » by **skywalker33** » Tue Oct 1, 2019 2:05 am

Rumors out there saying if he's not signed, Beasley may get moved for a pick so I wouldn't be surprised to see Dozier get some serious PT during preseason/training camp

Post #16 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:33 am

15th slot is still not set, I don't think.
Our two-way slots are filled with Dozier & Bol.

Jokic - Plumlee
Millsap - Grant - Vanderbilt - Cancar
Barton - Porter - Craig - Hernangoez
Harris - Beasley
Murray - Morris

Will we keep Cook? Zeller?

skywalker33 · Post #17 » by **skywalker33** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:24 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:15th slot is still not set, I don't think.
Our two-way slots are filled with Dozier & Bol.

Jokic - Plumlee
Millsap - Grant - Vanderbilt - Cancar
Barton - Porter - Craig - Hernangoez
Harris - Beasley
Murray - Morris

Will we keep Cook? Zeller?

I believe Cook already has signed elsewhere and really don't think Zeller made enough of an impression. As I stated before, I think the 15th slot is left open to provide trade and financial flexibility

Post #18 » by **NuggetsWY** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:13 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:15th slot is still not set, I don't think.
Our two-way slots are filled with Dozier & Bol.

Jokic - Plumlee
Millsap - Grant - Vanderbilt - Cancar
Barton - Porter - Craig - Hernangoez
Harris - Beasley
Murray - Morris

Will we keep Cook? Zeller?

I believe Cook already has signed elsewhere and really don't think Zeller made enough of an impression. As I stated before, I think the 15th slot is left open to provide trade and financial flexibility

With our depth, we can afford it.

skywalker33 · Post #19 » by **skywalker33** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:26 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:15th slot is still not set, I don't think.
Our two-way slots are filled with Dozier & Bol.

Jokic - Plumlee
Millsap - Grant - Vanderbilt - Cancar
Barton - Porter - Craig - Hernangoez
Harris - Beasley
Murray - Morris

Will we keep Cook? Zeller?

I believe Cook already has signed elsewhere and really don't think Zeller made enough of an impression. As I stated before, I think the 15th slot is left open to provide trade and financial flexibility

With our depth, we can afford it.

With the quality of our depth, we can afford not to.

Post #20 » by **The Rebel** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:11 am

I agree with Skywalker, it makes no sense to sign anybody else at this point. We have 14 and we have the 2 guys on 2 way deals now, plus it is possible if we need to make some deals we may be sending out big contracts and have to take back a 2nd guy on it.

Who wins the 15th roster slot?