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Post#21 » by The Rebel » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:42 pm

I personally hope that one of the teams in the mid-late lottery decide not to take a big risk on a young guy and trade back for proven talent and a late pick. Say something like Barton and the Rockets pick to the Wizards for the 9th pick or the HOrnets for the 8th pick.
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Post#22 » by TunaFish » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:49 pm

The Rebel wrote:I personally hope that one of the teams in the mid-late lottery decide not to take a big risk on a young guy and trade back for proven talent and a late pick. Say something like Barton and the Rockets pick to the Wizards for the 9th pick or the HOrnets for the 8th pick.


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Post#23 » by TunaFish » Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:25 pm

Perhaps I am relying too much on other people's opinions but this draft looks week after the top 2 or 3 picks. I am not sure that it would be wise to move up or that it might be better to just trade Denver's pick for some asset. Maybe Denver is going to pick a developmental player they can stash in Europe.
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Post#24 » by NuggetsWY » Wed May 6, 2020 11:33 am

I was bored and having trouble sleeping, so I took a look at the top draft picks.

My preference for the Nuggets is a solid wing 3&D that might even play 15-20 minutes next year. Here's my list of potentials I'd love to see - but I could be missing someone or have someone that we don't want. I don't watch much college ball and youtube highlights don't tell the real story. Unusual circumstances make it harder to evaluate potential draft picks plus those same circumstances seem to be bringing in more than usual early entries - it could be a draft designed for the Nuggets, if they can find a sleeper or if someone drops unexpectedly.

Wing 3&D
Green - 6'6" wingspan 6'10" - 3&D - my favorite choice
Bey - 6'8" wingspan 6'10" - 3&D but mostly a forward - still like him
Williams - 6'8" wingspan 6'11" - versatile offense seems good but I'm not sure about his defense - seems too similar to Porter but a potential choice IMO
Bey - 6'7" wingspan 7'1" - solid defense and his offense should work well with Jokic --- probably not our best choice but I wouldn't be upset if he is selected
Stanley - could be available for a 2nd round pick - nice 3&D potential

Unlikely but if they drop...
Wiseman - athletic & long - potential backup center
Okongwu - 6'9" versatile defender - we don't need him, not really, but if he drops maybe ...
Vassell - 6'7" wingspan 6'10" might be best 3&D eventually

Weird potential situation - if the Nuggets let Grant leave and they re-sign Millsap; Achiuwa & McDaniels might be nice Grant-like options - both will probably be available at our selection
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Re: 2020 Draft : Future Nugs 

Post#25 » by skywalker33 » Mon May 11, 2020 1:54 am

And now back to our regular scheduled thread (sorry, I think it's a bit classless to advertise your website on another's website but that's just me)....If I were looking to add one player in the draft, I'd love Devin Vassell. I'd see if we could trade 21 and Barton or Morris to move up to 12-14 range, that's where I see Vassell getting picked. Think he'd be a good 3 & D wing who could fill in for what we gave away in the Beasley trade.

If we are just looking for some wing scoring ( would Malone even consider it ? ) then Aaron Nesmith might be a better choice who may just fall to 21
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Post#26 » by NuggetsWY » Mon May 11, 2020 7:30 pm

skywalker33 wrote:And now back to our regular scheduled thread (sorry, I think it's a bit classless to advertise your website on another's website but that's just me)....If I were looking to add one player in the draft, I'd love Devin Vassell. I'd see if we could trade 21 and Barton or Morris to move up to 12-14 range, that's where I see Vassell getting picked. Think he'd be a good 3 & D wing who could fill in for what we gave away in the Beasley trade.

If we are just looking for some wing scoring ( would Malone even consider it ? ) then Aaron Nesmith might be a better choice who may just fall to 21

You are correct - that was classless and not what RealGM is for - I deleted the post.

So which team is likely to want to trade their first for Barton or Morris plus our first?
I suspect Vassell goes too high for us to get - but I'd love it. But I've seen projections with him as high as #8 and as low as second round.

I see Nesmith as a reasonable choice but I've seen him anywhere from #12 to second round.

Looks like this draft is going to be interesting. :lol:
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Post#27 » by Coeur » Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 pm

Cassius Stanley SG

OO PF

Pokusevski PF

Deni A SF

Deni and OO prob both go way too soon. But still, this is the ideal year from roster makeup for the Nugs to trade up/into another 1st round pick. They have to replace Harris and Barton with rookie salaries, and having those 2 contracts may force losing TC, Plumlee, or most likely Grant
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Post#28 » by NuggetsWY » Wed May 20, 2020 11:33 pm

Coeur wrote:Cassius Stanley SG

OO PF

Pokusevski PF

Deni A SF

Deni and OO prob both go way too soon. But still, this is the ideal year from roster makeup for the Nugs to trade up/into another 1st round pick. They have to replace Harris and Barton with rookie salaries, and having those 2 contracts may force losing TC, Plumlee, or most likely Grant

I prefer to have names - especially for players not already on our team. "OO" and "BB" and "Ditzy Doodle" just don't cut it.

With two PFs in your list of three, you must be assuming Millsap & Grant both leave - which seems unlikely since teams are likely to struggle with cap issues based on reduced income.

Adding a SF as your third choice? I guess you figure Malone won't be using Porter or Bates-Diop or BARTON (whom he has started at SF for quite some time).

Trading up would be nice, but which team might want to trade down?
Replacing Harris & Barton? Not going to happen, whether we like it or not. Malone likes both of them - a lot!

A young backup center would be nice, but probably relatively easy to acquire plus it seems likely that Plumlee comes back for the reasons stated above. Bol might play a few minutes as a stretch center even.

SG might be a nice place to look for someone, but not if Malone slides Barton there and/or Murray.

Murray is entrenched in the starting lineup. Dozier is likely back and Morris for certain. So not sure we need a PG.

In other words, our roster is deep and even if we lose Plumlee & Millsap & Grant & Craig, our weakest slot is PF and Malone just might slide Plumlee and/or Porter and/or Bol into that slot with Cancar as an option.

Unless the Nuggets are willing to make a major trade of 2-3 of our top players for one player that's significantly better than one of our starters; I just don't see the Nuggets making a trade. They might make a FA signing if someone is stretched but it has to be the right person. With Malone as the head coach, any rookie that is drafted is unlikely to get significant minutes regardless of where he is picked.
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Post#29 » by skywalker33 » Sat May 23, 2020 3:34 am

Coeur wrote:Cassius Stanley SG

OO PF

Pokusevski PF

Deni A SF

Deni and OO prob both go way too soon. But still, this is the ideal year from roster makeup for the Nugs to trade up/into another 1st round pick. They have to replace Harris and Barton with rookie salaries, and having those 2 contracts may force losing TC, Plumlee, or most likely Grant


Well considering this looks to be one of THE worst drafts over the past decade and you want to trade up for a second 1st rounder shows me a lot AGAIN.

Demi Avdija and Onyenka Okongwu will both be gone ( too 10 picks ) but neither fill a need a rookie would displace a veteran on this team. Pokusevski is redundant with Bol on the team, looks like a clone but Bol has better defensive skills.

Grant will be back in the PF spot, MPJ in the SF so if we’re drafting any spot it looks to be to be a SG/wing
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Post#30 » by NuggetsWY » Sat May 23, 2020 4:16 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Cassius Stanley SG
OO PF
Pokusevski PF
Deni A SF

Deni and OO prob both go way too soon. But still, this is the ideal year from roster makeup for the Nugs to trade up/into another 1st round pick. They have to replace Harris and Barton with rookie salaries, and having those 2 contracts may force losing TC, Plumlee, or most likely Grant

Well considering this looks to be one of THE worst drafts over the past decade and you want to trade up for a second 1st rounder shows me a lot AGAIN.

Demi Avdija and Onyenka Okongwu will both be gone ( too 10 picks ) but neither fill a need a rookie would displace a veteran on this team. Pokusevski is redundant with Bol on the team, looks like a clone but Bol has better defensive skills.

Grant will be back in the PF spot, MPJ in the SF so if we’re drafting any spot it looks to be to be a SG/wing

I suspect Plumlee might be gone but that's about it. All indications are, there won't be much money available for signing free agents (generally speaking).

I agree with Skywalker's analysis that wing is our biggest need - clearly. But even there, we are talking about Barton & Harris (probably) with Porter & Bates-Diop & Craig -plus- Murray, Morris, Dozier can all play some SG -plus- Grant can actually play some SF, especially against some SFs in the league. Most of our bigs are fairly decent ball-handlers, so all of those pieces can fit together how ever Malone decides.

Then again, Malone prefers 1980-1990 style of play - at least to some degree. All I'm saying is that almost all of our team will be back and that's at least 11 players that believe they should start or at least get significant minutes. I'm okay with that - more or less. However, if the Nuggets take two or three of those eleven and pickup one player worth those players, I'd be okay. {{I would hate trading Jokic, Murray, Porter, but would consider anyone else in the right deal.}}
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Post#31 » by Coeur » Wed May 27, 2020 2:10 am

NuggetsWY wrote:
Coeur wrote:Cassius Stanley SG

OO PF

Pokusevski PF

Deni A SF

Deni and OO prob both go way too soon. But still, this is the ideal year from roster makeup for the Nugs to trade up/into another 1st round pick. They have to replace Harris and Barton with rookie salaries, and having those 2 contracts may force losing TC, Plumlee, or most likely Grant

I prefer to have names - especially for players not already on our team. "OO" and "BB" and "Ditzy Doodle" just don't cut it.

With two PFs in your list of three, you must be assuming Millsap & Grant both leave - which seems unlikely since teams are likely to struggle with cap issues based on reduced income.

Adding a SF as your third choice? I guess you figure Malone won't be using Porter or Bates-Diop or BARTON (whom he has started at SF for quite some time).

Trading up would be nice, but which team might want to trade down?
Replacing Harris & Barton? Not going to happen, whether we like it or not. Malone likes both of them - a lot!

A young backup center would be nice, but probably relatively easy to acquire plus it seems likely that Plumlee comes back for the reasons stated above. Bol might play a few minutes as a stretch center even.

SG might be a nice place to look for someone, but not if Malone slides Barton there and/or Murray.

Murray is entrenched in the starting lineup. Dozier is likely back and Morris for certain. So not sure we need a PG.

In other words, our roster is deep and even if we lose Plumlee & Millsap & Grant & Craig, our weakest slot is PF and Malone just might slide Plumlee and/or Porter and/or Bol into that slot with Cancar as an option.

Unless the Nuggets are willing to make a major trade of 2-3 of our top players for one player that's significantly better than one of our starters; I just don't see the Nuggets making a trade. They might make a FA signing if someone is stretched but it has to be the right person. With Malone as the head coach, any rookie that is drafted is unlikely to get significant minutes regardless of where he is picked.

Oneyeke Okongwu is the perfect compliment at PF to Jokic. Elite elite defender, finisher, switch defender. Worth 2-3 future 1sts at pick 4-6


Cassius Stanley is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE at the Nugs pick. He’s worth a future 1st if the Nugs were able to get the Russian PF at 21 or whatever.


Obi Toppen is really interesting at PF for the Nugs too.

I see obi vs. Okongwu as an O vs D debate. Just thinking OO projects higher overall long term.



This draft is a pretty good draft.
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Post#32 » by skywalker33 » Wed May 27, 2020 6:32 pm

Coeur wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
Coeur wrote:Cassius Stanley SG

OO PF

Pokusevski PF

Deni A SF

Deni and OO prob both go way too soon. But still, this is the ideal year from roster makeup for the Nugs to trade up/into another 1st round pick. They have to replace Harris and Barton with rookie salaries, and having those 2 contracts may force losing TC, Plumlee, or most likely Grant

I prefer to have names - especially for players not already on our team. "OO" and "BB" and "Ditzy Doodle" just don't cut it.

With two PFs in your list of three, you must be assuming Millsap & Grant both leave - which seems unlikely since teams are likely to struggle with cap issues based on reduced income.

Adding a SF as your third choice? I guess you figure Malone won't be using Porter or Bates-Diop or BARTON (whom he has started at SF for quite some time).

Trading up would be nice, but which team might want to trade down?
Replacing Harris & Barton? Not going to happen, whether we like it or not. Malone likes both of them - a lot!

A young backup center would be nice, but probably relatively easy to acquire plus it seems likely that Plumlee comes back for the reasons stated above. Bol might play a few minutes as a stretch center even.

SG might be a nice place to look for someone, but not if Malone slides Barton there and/or Murray.

Murray is entrenched in the starting lineup. Dozier is likely back and Morris for certain. So not sure we need a PG.

In other words, our roster is deep and even if we lose Plumlee & Millsap & Grant & Craig, our weakest slot is PF and Malone just might slide Plumlee and/or Porter and/or Bol into that slot with Cancar as an option.

Unless the Nuggets are willing to make a major trade of 2-3 of our top players for one player that's significantly better than one of our starters; I just don't see the Nuggets making a trade. They might make a FA signing if someone is stretched but it has to be the right person. With Malone as the head coach, any rookie that is drafted is unlikely to get significant minutes regardless of where he is picked.

Oneyeke Okongwu is the perfect compliment at PF to Jokic. Elite elite defender, finisher, switch defender. Worth 2-3 future 1sts at pick 4-6


Cassius Stanley is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE at the Nugs pick. He’s worth a future 1st if the Nugs were able to get the Russian PF at 21 or whatever.


Obi Toppen is really interesting at PF for the Nugs too.

I see obi vs. Okongwu as an O vs D debate. Just thinking OO projects higher overall long term.



This draft is a pretty good draft.



Hard to argue the talent of those two PF's but both are really gonna be out of our range so why bring them up ?? They're in pipe-dream territory IMO. Stanley may be a good choice but I think you over-rate him as the earliest mock I've seen him is at 27 and as low as 54. He seems to be good in transition but awkward in the half-court, which is more prevalent in the Jokic offense. He does shoot well from 3-pt range something we can utilize and I do like his size for a SG but no way is he worth trading away a future 1st (or more as you stupidly suggested).

And beyond the top 8 players, most experts concur this is still a bad draft regardless of what you over-fantasize about.
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Post#33 » by NuggetsWY » Thu May 28, 2020 2:06 am

skywalker33 wrote:
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NuggetsWY wrote:I prefer to have names - especially for players not already on our team. "OO" and "BB" and "Ditzy Doodle" just don't cut it.

With two PFs in your list of three, you must be assuming Millsap & Grant both leave - which seems unlikely since teams are likely to struggle with cap issues based on reduced income.

Adding a SF as your third choice? I guess you figure Malone won't be using Porter or Bates-Diop or BARTON (whom he has started at SF for quite some time).

Trading up would be nice, but which team might want to trade down?
Replacing Harris & Barton? Not going to happen, whether we like it or not. Malone likes both of them - a lot!

A young backup center would be nice, but probably relatively easy to acquire plus it seems likely that Plumlee comes back for the reasons stated above. Bol might play a few minutes as a stretch center even.

SG might be a nice place to look for someone, but not if Malone slides Barton there and/or Murray.

Murray is entrenched in the starting lineup. Dozier is likely back and Morris for certain. So not sure we need a PG.

In other words, our roster is deep and even if we lose Plumlee & Millsap & Grant & Craig, our weakest slot is PF and Malone just might slide Plumlee and/or Porter and/or Bol into that slot with Cancar as an option.

Unless the Nuggets are willing to make a major trade of 2-3 of our top players for one player that's significantly better than one of our starters; I just don't see the Nuggets making a trade. They might make a FA signing if someone is stretched but it has to be the right person. With Malone as the head coach, any rookie that is drafted is unlikely to get significant minutes regardless of where he is picked.

Oneyeke Okongwu is the perfect compliment at PF to Jokic. Elite elite defender, finisher, switch defender. Worth 2-3 future 1sts at pick 4-6

Cassius Stanley is TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE at the Nugs pick. He’s worth a future 1st if the Nugs were able to get the Russian PF at 21 or whatever.

Obi Toppen is really interesting at PF for the Nugs too.

I see obi vs. Okongwu as an O vs D debate. Just thinking OO projects higher overall long term.

This draft is a pretty good draft.

Hard to argue the talent of those two PF's but both are really gonna be out of our range so why bring them up ?? They're in pipe-dream territory IMO. Stanley may be a good choice but I think you over-rate him as the earliest mock I've seen him is at 27 and as low as 54. He seems to be good in transition but awkward in the half-court, which is more prevalent in the Jokic offense. He does shoot well from 3-pt range something we can utilize and I do like his size for a SG but no way is he worth trading away a future 1st (or more as you stupidly suggested).

And beyond the top 8 players, most experts concur this is still a bad draft regardless of what you over-fantasize about.

:lol: Why not skip those dreams and just trade for LeBron and Steph Curry?

We aren't going to find a team willing to trade out of the top-10 without a major, MAJOR deal and I don't mean 2 or 3 1sts. It's going to take at least Porter or maybe Murray plus some picks.
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Post#34 » by psimanic1 » Fri May 29, 2020 11:32 am

If we will be trading with Top 10 teams in draft, don't think we will go for picks, all of those teams have enough young players that I think we will try to trade for them instead. Also, I think we can still find someone young enough but good enough to help next season, if Malone stops using only players he likes and starts believing in whole roster next year.
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Post#35 » by skywalker33 » Sat May 30, 2020 12:29 am

psimanic1 wrote:If we will be trading with Top 10 teams in draft, don't think we will go for picks, all of those teams have enough young players that I think we will try to trade for them instead. Also, I think we can still find someone young enough but good enough to help next season, if Malone stops using only players he likes and starts believing in whole roster next year.


Well without Millsap, the Nuggets are a young team as well, but I can definitely see your logic, there should be some of those teams that upgrade a position that might want to add another rookie to their core, even though 21 in a weak draft might not be the most desirable of assets. However, it only takes one team to fall in love with a player to make a trade. My choice is still to trade for a 2021 1st, it's the first draft to add HSer's so the talent level is expected to be much deeper, so having 2 picks could give us a better player, perhaps even as good as MPJ
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skywalker33 wrote:
psimanic1 wrote:If we will be trading with Top 10 teams in draft, don't think we will go for picks, all of those teams have enough young players that I think we will try to trade for them instead. Also, I think we can still find someone young enough but good enough to help next season, if Malone stops using only players he likes and starts believing in whole roster next year.


Well without Millsap, the Nuggets are a young team as well, but I can definitely see your logic, there should be some of those teams that upgrade a position that might want to add another rookie to their core, even though 21 in a weak draft might not be the most desirable of assets. However, it only takes one team to fall in love with a player to make a trade. My choice is still to trade for a 2021 1st, it's the first draft to add HSer's so the talent level is expected to be much deeper, so having 2 picks could give us a better player, perhaps even as good as MPJ

But on another hand, that makes 2020 picks cheaper than ever in the past 10 seasons because now nobody knows what to expect from this draft class which was never praised by experts anyway.
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Post#37 » by skywalker33 » Sat May 30, 2020 2:23 am

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psimanic1 wrote:If we will be trading with Top 10 teams in draft, don't think we will go for picks, all of those teams have enough young players that I think we will try to trade for them instead. Also, I think we can still find someone young enough but good enough to help next season, if Malone stops using only players he likes and starts believing in whole roster next year.


Well without Millsap, the Nuggets are a young team as well, but I can definitely see your logic, there should be some of those teams that upgrade a position that might want to add another rookie to their core, even though 21 in a weak draft might not be the most desirable of assets. However, it only takes one team to fall in love with a player to make a trade. My choice is still to trade for a 2021 1st, it's the first draft to add HSer's so the talent level is expected to be much deeper, so having 2 picks could give us a better player, perhaps even as good as MPJ

But on another hand, that makes 2020 picks cheaper than ever in the past 10 seasons because now nobody knows what to expect from this draft class which was never praised by experts anyway.


Fair point but do you really want to buy lesser players to add to this team and at what cost, better players (through player trades or future draft picks) ??
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Post#38 » by psimanic1 » Sat May 30, 2020 12:53 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
psimanic1 wrote:If we will be trading with Top 10 teams in draft, don't think we will go for picks, all of those teams have enough young players that I think we will try to trade for them instead. Also, I think we can still find someone young enough but good enough to help next season, if Malone stops using only players he likes and starts believing in whole roster next year.


Well without Millsap, the Nuggets are a young team as well, but I can definitely see your logic, there should be some of those teams that upgrade a position that might want to add another rookie to their core, even though 21 in a weak draft might not be the most desirable of assets. However, it only takes one team to fall in love with a player to make a trade. My choice is still to trade for a 2021 1st, it's the first draft to add HSer's so the talent level is expected to be much deeper, so having 2 picks could give us a better player, perhaps even as good as MPJ

I was thinking more like S&T of plumlee or millsap or grant if that's possible, and getting young guys in return. Maybe Atlanta would want some of them, or Barton, to add to young guys they have. Or something like that. And Stanley is mocked to 2nd round so we can still get one of those from recent posts on this topic.
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Post#39 » by skywalker33 » Sun May 31, 2020 12:54 am

psimanic1 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
psimanic1 wrote:If we will be trading with Top 10 teams in draft, don't think we will go for picks, all of those teams have enough young players that I think we will try to trade for them instead. Also, I think we can still find someone young enough but good enough to help next season, if Malone stops using only players he likes and starts believing in whole roster next year.


Well without Millsap, the Nuggets are a young team as well, but I can definitely see your logic, there should be some of those teams that upgrade a position that might want to add another rookie to their core, even though 21 in a weak draft might not be the most desirable of assets. However, it only takes one team to fall in love with a player to make a trade. My choice is still to trade for a 2021 1st, it's the first draft to add HSer's so the talent level is expected to be much deeper, so having 2 picks could give us a better player, perhaps even as good as MPJ

I was thinking more like S&T of plumlee or millsap or grant if that's possible, and getting young guys in return. Maybe Atlanta would want some of them, or Barton, to add to young guys they have. Or something like that. And Stanley is mocked to 2nd round so we can still get one of those from recent posts on this topic.



Grant seems like the only S&T candidate from your list, yet the least favorable to do so from a Nuggets perspective. I could see Barton and this years 1st for a future pick but we all know Malone loves The Thrill.
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