Rebuild the Nuggets Roster

[Coeur]

Jamal Murray
Lavine /Kennard
MPJ/TC
BlakeG/grant
JokicPlums


Nobody beats that team. History of b-ball. Nobody beats that team.

[NuggetsWY]

Jamal Murray
Lavine /Kennard
MPJ/TC
BlakeG/grant
JokicPlums

Nobody beats that team. History of b-ball. Nobody beats that team.

Last I checked, that team has never played together - that's history.

Putting a team together is more than just getting lots of talent. They need to fit together and cover both ends of the court.

LaVine can shoot and score with the best of them but he's a high volume usage player with almost as many turnovers as assists and his defense is average at best.

I like Kennard just fine, but as a 15-20 mpg player. His defense is a little worse than LaVine IMO but at least his turnover rate isn't as bad as LaVine and he's not high usage.

Porter is not yet proven. I don't understand why you think he's part of some super team. I think he can be but I'm a dreamer. You present yourself as an expert that goes after proven players - that's not Porter.

Griffin is 30 years old, still a decent age but more of a short-term acquisition. His assist to turnover rate isn't any better than LaVine's and his shooting percentages have dropped this year. His defense is even worse than LaVine and he's also fairly high usage.

With the team you've built, you should trade Jokic for Gobert because you'll need the rim protector and you won't need Jokic to handle the ball. He'll just be a spectator anyway.

[Mickey8]

Make the trade for Bradley Beal, Jokic needs that second co star , don't waste his prime years.

So you think WAS will take Harris and Barton + draft picks for Beal or do you have a different plan on how to take on Beal's $29M salary ??

I don't know how ,but FO have to be creative to make that trade, trade him straight up for Murray.

[skywalker33]

Zach Lavine
Bogdanovic
Wiggins

Would the Bulls, Kings, or Warriors take Barton and Harris ? Add a 1st to bulls or kings offer atleast

Blah...blah...blah, the broken record still play !!

BTW, love how much that Griffin Super Trade BOMBED over in the TnT thread, all but the DET fans ripped it up, yet you continue

I continue what?


I’m right every single time.


What? Where? When? Why?


Who?


I know someone who won’t have an answer

You're right EVERY TIME ???? Then explain to me why EVERRYONE ripped your proposed Griffen to the Nuggets as terrible for the Nuggets ??? Not just Nuggets fans, even some DET fans posted how inequitable it was for the Nuggets.....LMAO

[skywalker33]

2022 unprotected 1st, thrill B, GaryHarris, (s*t) millsap
For
Blake Griffin, kennard, DRose


zack Lavine
For
Monte Morris, 2020 Houston 1st, 2024 Den 1st

Here's what I see in your proposed trade: First your dealing all our 3 1st over the next 4-5 years, where have we built this team from?? The draft, it's TC's strength and you want to take that away. Second, you want to bring in Blake Griffen, a guys who is on a Super Max contract yet has averaged only 37 games per year over hid last 4 years, is already 30yrs old and continues to decline. Also, Rose is now 31yrs old, his game is based on speed (although he has adapted well after coming back from a horrific knee injury) but what does he have, 2-3 years left and he'd have to come off the bench. I also like Kennard, but again he has a history with injuries. Also acquiring Lavine makes Kennard another bench player. Lavine himself is just a gunner/balck hole, just what would fit well with the Joker offense {please note the sarcasm there}

And my broken record comment is you incessant love to try and get Wiggins on this team, sometimes I believe your his mother, He's an inefficient scorer who doesn't believe in defense, how many minutes do you think Malone would play that type of player. He would also impede the development of MPJ or become THE most expensive bench player in the NBA.

[The Rebel]

We should have just under $20m to go after a free agent. What position do we want? I'd say a wing player. Who could we reasonably expect to get?

I'd like Ingram or Bogdanovic. They are both restricted. Bogdanovic might be more available simply because of the Kings roster and money already spent. Either can probably play both wing slots.

There are quite a few other players available and some could be attractive, depending on the money (of course I am assuming we resign Grant as well).

The only way we have cap space is to renounce all of our free agents, which means we could not re-sign Grant nor Millsap.

[The Rebel]

2022 unprotected 1st, thrill B, GaryHarris, (s*t) millsap
For
Blake Griffin, kennard, DRose


zack Lavine
For
Monte Morris, 2020 Houston 1st, 2024 Den 1st

WTF, you cannot be serious.

[The Rebel]

Unfortunately with no real cap space and so many guys expiring I think we are going to struggle to do a whole lot in the offseason.

I think you have to keep Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Bol, KBD, Cancar, and one of Morris or Dozier at this point.

I also think you have to re-sign Grant and one of Plumlee or Millsap.

LIkely should try to keep McRae and Vonleh as they should be cheap to re-sign and you have the exception that allows a 105% of their previous salary so you can pay them slightly more next year.


I would try to do a 3 team deal with Morris going to NY, Barton going to Orlando, and us getting Fournier and the Charlotte 2nd round pick.

Then I sign Baynes or if not him get Marc Gasol to a MLE deal for 3 years with the last year a team option.

Re-sign Grant and Millsap, with Millsap only guaranteed for 2 years.

Give Dozier and Bol full contracts.

Draft a project PG and project SF just in case

I think you let Craig go as he will likely get a contract that the team just will not pay.

gives you
Murray/ Dozier/ draft pick
Harris/ Fournier/ McRae
MPJ/ KDB/ draft pick
Millsap/ Grant/ Cancar
Jokic/ Baynes/ Bol

Gives you a nice mix of defense and offense, with Fournier being a good scorer and ball handler off the bench for those games where the starters are struggling. You still got good defense in the front court and guys who are good spot up shooters. While II think that this works okay with Malone's tendencies by not giving him a choice on Fournier, and still giving reasonable defense off the bench, but who knows. I am still pissed that Malone would not play Beasley and Juancho while we were talking about Lavine of all people.

[NuggetsWY]

Unfortunately with no real cap space and so many guys expiring I think we are going to struggle to do a whole lot in the offseason.

I think you have to keep Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Bol, KBD, Cancar, and one of Morris or Dozier at this point.

I also think you have to re-sign Grant and one of Plumlee or Millsap.

LIkely should try to keep McRae and Vonleh as they should be cheap to re-sign and you have the exception that allows a 105% of their previous salary so you can pay them slightly more next year.


I would try to do a 3 team deal with Morris going to NY, Barton going to Orlando, and us getting Fournier and the Charlotte 2nd round pick.

Then I sign Baynes or if not him get Marc Gasol to a MLE deal for 3 years with the last year a team option.

Re-sign Grant and Millsap, with Millsap only guaranteed for 2 years.

Give Dozier and Bol full contracts.

Draft a project PG and project SF just in case

I think you let Craig go as he will likely get a contract that the team just will not pay.

gives you
Murray/ Dozier/ draft pick
Harris/ Fournier/ McRae
MPJ/ KDB/ draft pick
Millsap/ Grant/ Cancar
Jokic/ Baynes/ Bol

Gives you a nice mix of defense and offense, with Fournier being a good scorer and ball handler off the bench for those games where the starters are struggling. You still got good defense in the front court and guys who are good spot up shooters. While II think that this works okay with Malone's tendencies by not giving him a choice on Fournier, and still giving reasonable defense off the bench, but who knows. I am still pissed that Malone would not play Beasley and Juancho while we were talking about Lavine of all people.

Best analysis and projection I've seen (including my own)

[Coeur]

Unfortunately with no real cap space and so many guys expiring I think we are going to struggle to do a whole lot in the offseason.

I think you have to keep Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Bol, KBD, Cancar, and one of Morris or Dozier at this point.

I also think you have to re-sign Grant and one of Plumlee or Millsap.

LIkely should try to keep McRae and Vonleh as they should be cheap to re-sign and you have the exception that allows a 105% of their previous salary so you can pay them slightly more next year.


I would try to do a 3 team deal with Morris going to NY, Barton going to Orlando, and us getting Fournier and the Charlotte 2nd round pick.

Then I sign Baynes or if not him get Marc Gasol to a MLE deal for 3 years with the last year a team option.

Re-sign Grant and Millsap, with Millsap only guaranteed for 2 years.

Give Dozier and Bol full contracts.

Draft a project PG and project SF just in case

I think you let Craig go as he will likely get a contract that the team just will not pay.

gives you
Murray/ Dozier/ draft pick
Harris/ Fournier/ McRae
MPJ/ KDB/ draft pick
Millsap/ Grant/ Cancar
Jokic/ Baynes/ Bol

Gives you a nice mix of defense and offense, with Fournier being a good scorer and ball handler off the bench for those games where the starters are struggling. You still got good defense in the front court and guys who are good spot up shooters. While II think that this works okay with Malone's tendencies by not giving him a choice on Fournier, and still giving reasonable defense off the bench, but who knows. I am still pissed that Malone would not play Beasley and Juancho while we were talking about Lavine of all people.

Best analysis and projection I've seen (including my own)

Hilarious


Fournier is a way more expensive backup than Barton would be. Better fit to add shooting though.

But keep everything else the same? Go from plumlee to Baynes. I think doing “nothing” is likely. Just don’t know why no plumlee and that you’d resign both grant and millsap.

Torrey Craig? TC and plumlee should be coming back iin any good plan for the Nugs. I’d like Fournier for Barton and Morris. And I love Baynes (go cougs)

[Coeur]

2022 unprotected 1st, thrill B, GaryHarris, (s*t) millsap
For
Blake Griffin, kennard, DRose


zack Lavine
For
Monte Morris, 2020 Houston 1st, 2024 Den 1st

WTF, you cannot be serious.

Very serious. Both those trades would be great for the Nugs. And you have no way to explain what you mean? What do you mean?


You guys hardness for Gary Harris is sad.

[Coeur]

Blake Griffin playing the low and the lob from Jokic could be impossible to cover. I don’t believe Griffin is done physically by next season/playoffs at all. So unless medical then Griffin for Barton and Harris or especially if you could get millsap S&T out its a huge deal in favor of Nugs. Luke Kennard is also a player worth a future 1st for the Nugs.

[Coeur]

There’s a reason that Barton & Harris should have been traded last offseason along with millsap who should’ve been traded then-deadline this year.

[The Rebel]

Unfortunately with no real cap space and so many guys expiring I think we are going to struggle to do a whole lot in the offseason.

I think you have to keep Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Bol, KBD, Cancar, and one of Morris or Dozier at this point.

I also think you have to re-sign Grant and one of Plumlee or Millsap.

LIkely should try to keep McRae and Vonleh as they should be cheap to re-sign and you have the exception that allows a 105% of their previous salary so you can pay them slightly more next year.


I would try to do a 3 team deal with Morris going to NY, Barton going to Orlando, and us getting Fournier and the Charlotte 2nd round pick.

Then I sign Baynes or if not him get Marc Gasol to a MLE deal for 3 years with the last year a team option.

Re-sign Grant and Millsap, with Millsap only guaranteed for 2 years.

Give Dozier and Bol full contracts.

Draft a project PG and project SF just in case

I think you let Craig go as he will likely get a contract that the team just will not pay.

gives you
Murray/ Dozier/ draft pick
Harris/ Fournier/ McRae
MPJ/ KDB/ draft pick
Millsap/ Grant/ Cancar
Jokic/ Baynes/ Bol

Gives you a nice mix of defense and offense, with Fournier being a good scorer and ball handler off the bench for those games where the starters are struggling. You still got good defense in the front court and guys who are good spot up shooters. While II think that this works okay with Malone's tendencies by not giving him a choice on Fournier, and still giving reasonable defense off the bench, but who knows. I am still pissed that Malone would not play Beasley and Juancho while we were talking about Lavine of all people.

Best analysis and projection I've seen (including my own)

Hilarious


Fournier is a way more expensive backup than Barton would be. Better fit to add shooting though.

But keep everything else the same? Go from plumlee to Baynes. I think doing “nothing” is likely. Just don’t know why no plumlee and that you’d resign both grant and millsap.

Torrey Craig? TC and plumlee should be coming back iin any good plan for the Nugs. I’d like Fournier for Barton and Morris. And I love Baynes (go cougs)

What is hilarious is you bitching about money with all the terrible deals you propose.

As for Fournier, he is a better shooter, better attitude about coming off the bench, and he is an expiring contract next year which is a year sooner than Barton. I don't see any reason not to like that swap with a pick coming back, but then what do I know?

Baynes is a considerably better defender and shooter than Plumlee, both better fits for what we need. Oh and Baynes is likely to get a contract for the MLE at most, Plumlee is likely to get the MLE at minimum. There is no way I pay Plumlee with the other deals we have, especially with his huge failures in the playoffs every year.

You and Malone both have some kind of crush on Torrey Craig, he is a defensive specialist that struggles against 75% of the matchups he is placed in. He is not worth more than the LLE, but in a limited free agent class someone is going to pay him more, and we need him as far away from Malone as humanly possible.

[skywalker33]

Blake Griffin playing the low and the lob from Jokic could be impossible to cover.

Great, but what do we do about the other 45+ games he misses ??? Because he's paid so much we wouldn't have any money to get someone else unless the NBA allows a medical exception, even then it's gonna be a scrub. You seem to want to omit his injury history.

You only want to look at the BIG name, don't you

[The Rebel]

2022 unprotected 1st, thrill B, GaryHarris, (s*t) millsap
For
Blake Griffin, kennard, DRose


zack Lavine
For
Monte Morris, 2020 Houston 1st, 2024 Den 1st

WTF, you cannot be serious.

Very serious. Both those trades would be great for the Nugs. And you have no way to explain what you mean? What do you mean?


You guys hardness for Gary Harris is sad.

LOL accusing someone else of having a hardon for anybody is funny coming from you considering your love for big name low production, highly paid guys.

Giffin had a major knee injury last year, which has cost him his explosiveness that he had left, while being on a supermax deal for the next 3 years. Nobody with any kind of clue would be offering crap to take him, in fact Detroit couldn't move him without a couple of good lotto picks at this point, and even then it would be for a team with no hope of competing for the next 2 years.

Also Millsap is not going ot sign and trade for a deal to go to Detroit, why the **** would he do that?

Malone would not play Beasley, a better defender and shooter, why would he play Lavine?
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As for a hardness for Harris, I said nothing about Harris, I said you cannot be serious about your deal, but I forgot who I was dealing with. Your lack of knowledge is scary for how arrogant you come off, there is a reason even people on the trade board (which is notorious for underrating Nuggets players) tell you how bad your deals suck for the Nuggets. You should stop reading headlines and actually watch games and read the articles, maybe educate yourself.

[The Rebel]

Blake Griffin playing the low and the lob from Jokic could be impossible to cover. I don’t believe Griffin is done physically by next season/playoffs at all. So unless medical then Griffin for Barton and Harris or especially if you could get millsap S&T out its a huge deal in favor of Nugs. Luke Kennard is also a player worth a future 1st for the Nugs.

LOL, Blake Griffin cannot even get on the court and his last injury totally killed his athleticism, which is why when he did get on the court he was terrible this year.

Also you are a fool if you think Millsap is going to Detroit, I am sure he would rather retire than deal with that franchise in their current situation.

[NuggetsWY]

2022 unprotected 1st, thrill B, GaryHarris, (s*t) millsap
For
Blake Griffin, kennard, DRose

zack Lavine
For
Monte Morris, 2020 Houston 1st, 2024 Den 1st

WTF, you cannot be serious.

Very serious. Both those trades would be great for the Nugs. And you have no way to explain what you mean? What do you mean?

You guys hardness for Gary Harris is sad.

Most of us are okay with trading Harris - but not for ridiculous trades. Griffin for example, list his games played for this year and the five years before:
2014-15 67
2015-16 35
2016-17 61
2017-18 58
2018-19 75
2019-20 18 - and done

Blake Griffin playing the low and the lob from Jokic could be impossible to cover. I don’t believe Griffin is done physically by next season/playoffs at all. So unless medical then Griffin for Barton and Harris or especially if you could get millsap S&T out its a huge deal in favor of Nugs. Luke Kennard is also a player worth a future 1st for the Nugs.

Hmm, I thought Griffin preferred to play a high post and pass unless rolling to the hoop off a pick and a pick-n-roll with a center & PF seldom makes sense.

[The Rebel]

I wonder if the Wizards will make Beal available this summer? I think they have to realize that they are not going to really compete for much once Wall gets back, they have added a bunch of young guys and may want to go full youth movement buying time until Wall expires. I think the Knicks will give up the Clippers 1st and Hornet's 2nd for Morris. If we could flip those 2 picks, the Rockets 1st, Harris, Barton, and a future 1st for Beal and Wagner it would likely be a pretty competitive offer for a rebuilding team that does not want to tank.

It would have to change our plan, but it may be worth it if we can pull everything off.

It would mean re-signing Dozier and going with him in a 3 guard rotation with Murray and Beal.

MPJ would have to be ready to start at SF, with Bates-Diop as the primary back SF.

I would also still re-sign Grant on a 4 year deal, and Vonleh and McRae.

You would have to re-sign Craig for the depth

I do wonder if you can convince MIllsap to let us do a sign and trade deal to his next team for a player and/or tpe and get us back a suitable backup SG/SF otherwise you have to re-sign Craig.



Murray/ Dozier/
Beal/ Craig/ Mcrae
MPJ/ KDB
Grant/ Cancar/ Bol
Jokic/ Wagner/ Vonleh

[THE J0KER]

It is too late for Beal, no way WAS will accept that offer. A few months ago with Beasley and Juancho still there and Harris not looking this bad, we have chances to get Beal for 'big package' before he re-signs. Now we must include Murray or Porter if we really want him, which is too high price if you ask me (except in case Malone have low plans with MPJ), or to upload disastrous John Wall supermax contract using the third side... which is possible, but not with this Front Office specialized for drafts, not trades.

So, I think instead of all-star Beal we should be focused now on impact player with not so high price. Jrue Holiday for example.