Bones Trade Incoming?

[DaFan334]

It seems like it might be inevitable, so what options do we have? Here are a few ideas

Bones and TPE for Caruso - Gives us another Bruce Brown type incase he leaves next year. How much tax are we willing to pay?

Bones and TPE for The Mitten - Similar to above but I would hate to see Portland get another Lillard type if Bones hits his max potential.

Bones for Terance Mann - I don't see Bones thriving in LA, but this could be a move of 2 high potential prospects that could probably need a change of scenery.

[Skybox]

I don't know too much about Bones, but assuming his 3pt% might translate to a larger role in ORL (and assuming he's not an a**hole), I propose...

ORL sends Gary Harris...one year TO, plug n play vet who'll drop right into your playoff rotation like an old dependable pair of shoes
DEN sends Bones (future Murray stuck behind present Murray?) and Jeff Green OR Ish Smith (to be waived or bought out, DEN's choice)

...is Bones the new starting SG in ORL, bombing 3's in support of ORL's strong frontcourt or is he another mediocre, undersized guard to join all of the others on ORL's bench?

[TunaFish]

It seems like it might be inevitable, so what options do we have? Here are a few ideas

Bones and TPE for Caruso - Gives us another Bruce Brown type incase he leaves next year. How much tax are we willing to pay?

Bones and TPE for The Mitten - Similar to above but I would hate to see Portland get another Lillard type if Bones hits his max potential.

Bones for Terance Mann - I don't see Bones thriving in LA, but this could be a move of 2 high potential prospects that could probably need a change of scenery.

You can't combine a TPE and a player in a trade (at least I think that is correct).

[DaFan334]

It seems like it might be inevitable, so what options do we have? Here are a few ideas

Bones and TPE for Caruso - Gives us another Bruce Brown type incase he leaves next year. How much tax are we willing to pay?

Bones and TPE for The Mitten - Similar to above but I would hate to see Portland get another Lillard type if Bones hits his max potential.

Bones for Terance Mann - I don't see Bones thriving in LA, but this could be a move of 2 high potential prospects that could probably need a change of scenery.

You can't combine a TPE and a player in a trade (at least I think that is correct).

The would technically be 2 separate trades in these cases, with a TPE coming back for Bones as well. We would be able to make room for those contracts with the Monte Morris TPE.

[TunaFish]

I don't know too much about Bones, but assuming his 3pt% might translate to a larger role in ORL (and assuming he's not an a**hole), I propose...

ORL sends Gary Harris...one year TO, plug n play vet who'll drop right into your playoff rotation like an old dependable pair of shoes
DEN sends Bones (future Murray stuck behind present Murray?) and Jeff Green OR Ish Smith (to be waived or bought out, DEN's choice)

...is Bones the new starting SG in ORL, bombing 3's in support of ORL's strong frontcourt or is he another mediocre, undersized guard to join all of the others on ORL's bench?

Since you are exploring "old" Nuggets for the return how about Bol instead. Backup center or a big is a need in Denver after all.

More likely they are looking for a much bigger return for Bones. Too bad you don't know too much about Bones because then you would understand that comment. Bones looks like a 1st option scorer because of his shooting ability and those are hard to find.

[TunaFish]

It seems like it might be inevitable, so what options do we have? Here are a few ideas

Bones and TPE for Caruso - Gives us another Bruce Brown type incase he leaves next year. How much tax are we willing to pay?

Bones and TPE for The Mitten - Similar to above but I would hate to see Portland get another Lillard type if Bones hits his max potential.

Bones for Terance Mann - I don't see Bones thriving in LA, but this could be a move of 2 high potential prospects that could probably need a change of scenery.

You can't combine a TPE and a player in a trade (at least I think that is correct).

The would technically be 2 separate trades in these cases, with a TPE coming back for Bones as well. We would be able to make room for those contracts with the Monte Morris TPE.

Perhaps I don't understand you. You said Bones and a TPE for Caruso however, you can't combine a player and a TPE in a trade to make up for the salary difference to match up with Caruso's salary. At least that is my understanding. You can give up a draft pick for a player and fit that player into an existing TPE. Denver can't trade a 1st round pick until 2029.

If they are trading Bones, his salary on a rookie contract limits the return unless you add a combination of salary from some other players to match the returning player/s. TPE has to be used in a separate transaction. I could be wrong here as the salary cap rules are complex.

[Skybox]

I don't know too much about Bones, but assuming his 3pt% might translate to a larger role in ORL (and assuming he's not an a**hole), I propose...

ORL sends Gary Harris...one year TO, plug n play vet who'll drop right into your playoff rotation like an old dependable pair of shoes
DEN sends Bones (future Murray stuck behind present Murray?) and Jeff Green OR Ish Smith (to be waived or bought out, DEN's choice)

...is Bones the new starting SG in ORL, bombing 3's in support of ORL's strong frontcourt or is he another mediocre, undersized guard to join all of the others on ORL's bench?

Since you are exploring "old" Nuggets for the return how about Bol instead. Backup center or a big is a need in Denver after all.

More likely they are looking for a much bigger return for Bones. Too bad you don't know too much about Bones because then you would understand that comment. Bones looks like a 1st option scorer because of his shooting ability and those are hard to find.

If you're buying in on Bol-sanity, that's an easy one for me...I sure don't see him as a center tho. A very unique and disruptive 3/4 is my feeling...pure chaos off the bench. He takes a lot of awful shots...but they seem to go in, so I'm confused about Bol. That trade would be great for ORL, Isaac is back and ramping up and M. Wagner is more than enough for a deep bench big...I figured Harris would be plug'n'play for DEN's system and he's playing strong and healthy lately. I really like Gary in ORL's SG rotation, just looking for younger upside and volume shooting and, apparently, that's Bones...if you want a center, how about Bamba? He shot 38% from 3 last year on a pretty high volume before Paolo showed up and took his minutes next to WCJ. Isaac's return and Bol have also cut into big Mo's pt. Bamba's probably not a starting C in the NBA because of his defensive liabilities, but he can definitely hold down the fort when the Joker needs a break and even play alongside him, splashing 3's and providing long-armed help and rim protection...same deal as Harris and basically same contract with next year a 100% team option.

[TunaFish]

I don't know too much about Bones, but assuming his 3pt% might translate to a larger role in ORL (and assuming he's not an a**hole), I propose...

ORL sends Gary Harris...one year TO, plug n play vet who'll drop right into your playoff rotation like an old dependable pair of shoes
DEN sends Bones (future Murray stuck behind present Murray?) and Jeff Green OR Ish Smith (to be waived or bought out, DEN's choice)

...is Bones the new starting SG in ORL, bombing 3's in support of ORL's strong frontcourt or is he another mediocre, undersized guard to join all of the others on ORL's bench?

Since you are exploring "old" Nuggets for the return how about Bol instead. Backup center or a big is a need in Denver after all.

More likely they are looking for a much bigger return for Bones. Too bad you don't know too much about Bones because then you would understand that comment. Bones looks like a 1st option scorer because of his shooting ability and those are hard to find.

If you're buying in on Bol-sanity, that's an easy one for me...I sure don't see him as a center tho. A very unique and disruptive 3/4 is my feeling...pure chaos off the bench. He takes a lot of awful shots...but they seem to go in, so I'm confused about Bol. That trade would be great for ORL, Isaac is back and ramping up and M. Wagner is more than enough for a deep bench big...I figured Harris would be plug'n'play for DEN's system and he's playing strong and healthy lately. I really like Gary in ORL's SG rotation, just looking for younger upside and volume shooting and, apparently, that's Bones...if you want a center, how about Bamba? He shot 38% from 3 last year on a pretty high volume before Paolo showed up and took his minutes next to WCJ. Isaac's return and Bol have also cut into big Mo's pt. Bamba's probably not a starting C in the NBA because of his defensive liabilities, but he can definitely hold down the fort when the Joker needs a break and even play alongside him, splashing 3's and providing long-armed help and rim protection...same deal as Harris and basically same contract with next year a 100% team option.

Agree, Bol Bol is more of a stretch four. Denver's problem is that when Bones goes cold, as he has recently, the bench can't find another scoring option. Bol does provide that. Garry Harris is a popular player in Denver but with KCP, Brown and Braun added this season, that is not likely to be as interesting to Denver anymore. I do wonder if Denver is interested in Bamba, however.

[DaFan334]

You can't combine a TPE and a player in a trade (at least I think that is correct).

The would technically be 2 separate trades in these cases, with a TPE coming back for Bones as well. We would be able to make room for those contracts with the Monte Morris TPE.

Perhaps I don't understand you. You said Bones and a TPE for Caruso however, you can't combine a player and a TPE in a trade to make up for the salary difference to match up with Caruso's salary. At least that is my understanding. You can give up a draft pick for a player and fit that player into an existing TPE. Denver can't trade a 1st round pick until 2029.

If they are trading Bones, his salary on a rookie contract limits the return unless you add a combination of salary from some other players to match the returning player/s. TPE has to be used in a separate transaction. I could be wrong here as the salary cap rules are complex.

So Caruso or the other examples would be absorbed into the Morris TPE in one transaction. Then, in technically a second transaction, Bones is exchanged for a TPE that matches his salary that is pulled from the TPE that the Bulls would then possess from the first trade. This is actually how a lot of deals are made in the NBA in order to give teams more flexibility.

[Skybox]

How about...
ORL sends Mo Bamba, Bol Bol, Den 25 frp return, RJ Hampton
DEN sends Christian Braun, Bones Hyland

[TunaFish]

How about...
ORL sends Mo Bamba, Bol Bol, Den 25 frp return, RJ Hampton
DEN sends Christian Braun, Bones Hyland

You were doing fine until you added Braun. I think these rumors are more about seeing what Bones is worth alone. Ja Morant has been quoted as saying Bones is the one player he is watching. I have heard plenty of comments that Bones is a "star" in the making. How good will Bones be and can Denver afford him later is a question that I think Denver's FO is exploring now.

They won't give him away just to make a trade.

The fact is that we don't really know how good Bones will be and giving up a potential star player is a bitter pill to swallow. Unless a trade is made that pushes Denver closer to a championship, I think most Nugget's fans would prefer not to trade him at all.

[Manolito]

How about...
ORL sends Mo Bamba, Bol Bol, Den 25 frp return, RJ Hampton
DEN sends Christian Braun, Bones Hyland

Please stop embarrasing yourself proposing horrible trades. Keep all your Harris, Bol Bol or Hampton, we know very well these players and we are not trading Bones or Braun for those guys

[TunaFish]

The would technically be 2 separate trades in these cases, with a TPE coming back for Bones as well. We would be able to make room for those contracts with the Monte Morris TPE.

Perhaps I don't understand you. You said Bones and a TPE for Caruso however, you can't combine a player and a TPE in a trade to make up for the salary difference to match up with Caruso's salary. At least that is my understanding. You can give up a draft pick for a player and fit that player into an existing TPE. Denver can't trade a 1st round pick until 2029.

If they are trading Bones, his salary on a rookie contract limits the return unless you add a combination of salary from some other players to match the returning player/s. TPE has to be used in a separate transaction. I could be wrong here as the salary cap rules are complex.

So Caruso or the other examples would be absorbed into the Morris TPE in one transaction. Then, in technically a second transaction, Bones is exchanged for a TPE that matches his salary that is pulled from the TPE that the Bulls would then possess from the first trade. This is actually how a lot of deals are made in the NBA in order to give teams more flexibility.

You could bring in Caruso by using the TPE for him but you have to trade something back. Denver is out of picks except 2nd rounders. Caruso's salary is above 9 million and Bones is at 2 million, so someone has to take on salary and Denver is in the cap tax and getting close to the Tax apron. Bones scores more than twice as many points as Caruso, so a Denver bench that has trouble scoring will be made worse.

With KCP, Brown and Braun you don't need Caruso. You do need to increase scoring on the bench.

[Skybox]

How about...
ORL sends Mo Bamba, Bol Bol, Den 25 frp return, RJ Hampton
DEN sends Christian Braun, Bones Hyland

Please stop embarrasing yourself proposing horrible trades. Keep all your Harris, Bol Bol or Hampton, we know very well these players and we are not trading Bones or Braun for those guys

Don't get your panties twisted, skip back a few and check your own fan who suggested a desire for Bol, Hampton is salary fodder, expiring. The pick has value and will probably land around Braun. You're the FO that gave Harris his $18m/year deal. Orl got him healthy and on a reasonable deal that's even a team option. He's playing very well. I think it's fair to say that Harris is better today than Bones or Braun and DEN is in the mix NOW. ORL would be moving solid stability for unreliable upside...I didn't know Braun's 13mpg and 3.6 ppg were that untouchable. I beg your forgiveness.

[Richard Miller]

How about...
ORL sends Mo Bamba, Bol Bol, Den 25 frp return, RJ Hampton
DEN sends Christian Braun, Bones Hyland

Please stop embarrasing yourself proposing horrible trades. Keep all your Harris, Bol Bol or Hampton, we know very well these players and we are not trading Bones or Braun for those guys

Don't get your panties twisted, skip back a few and check your own fan who suggested a desire for Bol, Hampton is salary fodder, expiring. The pick has value and will probably land around Braun. You're the FO that gave Harris his $18m/year deal. Orl got him healthy and on a reasonable deal that's even a team option. He's playing very well. I think it's fair to say that Harris is better today than Bones or Braun and DEN is in the mix NOW. ORL would be moving solid stability for unreliable upside...I didn't know Braun's 13mpg and 3.6 ppg were that untouchable. I beg your forgiveness.

Harris got his 18m/y deal back when he was healthy and true 3&D player and future DPOY candidate. He's still paid a lot today and don't think he's nearly the same athlete anymore even if he's healthy atm. Braun is certainly not untouchable, but not going to be traded for a couple of bench warmers

[skywalker33]

Personally, I wouldn't object too much to getting RJ Hampton and a 2024 ORL 1st and 2nd. While the offensive output would be the same, Hampton would give us a young G prospect along with some draft capital we can utilize

[Skybox]

How about ORL gives back your 25 frp and 23 srp(pretty high), along with your choice of RJ Hampton -RFA, Chuma Okeke, or Bol? ( I know you're familiar with the players - it's the picks)?

If not...what pick value do you really think Bones will fetch? I don't see anyone throwing in a likely lotto pick.

[TunaFish]

How about ORL gives back your 25 frp and 23 srp(pretty high), along with your choice of RJ Hampton -RFA, Chuma Okeke, or Bol? ( I know you're familiar with the players - it's the picks)?

If not...what pick value do you really think Bones will fetch? I don't see anyone throwing in a likely lotto pick.

It looks like they are after Naz Reid of the Timberwolves plus another player. The picks you offer are not good enough and apparently none of the other players you mention are a trade target by anyone so far. All this is guesswork based on media reports but the Nuggets did not play Bones against the Warriors (at the time of this writing), so a trade is likely.

[Skybox]

How about ORL gives back your 25 frp and 23 srp(pretty high), along with your choice of RJ Hampton -RFA, Chuma Okeke, or Bol? ( I know you're familiar with the players - it's the picks)?

If not...what pick value do you really think Bones will fetch? I don't see anyone throwing in a likely lotto pick.

It looks like they are after Naz Reid of the Timberwolves plus another player. The picks you offer are not good enough and apparently none of the other players you mention are a trade target by anyone so far. All this is guesswork based on media reports but the Nuggets did not play Bones against the Warriors (at the time of this writing), so a trade is likely.

Naz will be a good pickup for a contender needing some brute force off the bench. Makes sense.

[DaFan334]

Unless we get the right deal, I think we should keep Bones and reconsider the offseason. He is at least a good insurance policy with his contract. If we move him for Naz Reid, I think we need some more long term value, which the Twolves can't currently offer. A 3 team trade would be the only way it makes sense with us getting more back. That said, here is an interesting idea.

Nugs Trade: Bones, Reed
Nugs Receive: Reid, Terance Mann

Wolves Trade: Reid, Russell
Wolves Receive: Bones, Reggie Jackson, Covington

Clippers Trade: Reggie Jackson, Covington, Mann
Clippers Receive: Russell, Reid

Picks might need to be added, but I think all teams get the useful parts. Wolves get Bones and Covington for two players they will probably lose in the offseason. Clippers get a point guard and a cheap Covington replacement.

Nuggets get Reid who is a great fit and Mann who replaces Bones. He doesn't have the same ceiling as Bones, but he could be a nice fit for the future, who can also fill in now.