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Civil Discussion about Melo

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:02 pm
by SJustice1621
I thought it would only be fair to have a simialr discussion on Melo.

Ok, i'll start.

What do you guys think Melo can do to improve his game.

I say his defense could improve; sometimes he gets lost a lot on defense and plays lazy defense at spurts.

Also his driving to the rim, if he could control his body better getting to rim he would create less offensive fouls

Feel free to add in.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:43 pm
by corona
he needs to fall down more.

i've come to the conclusion that if you fall down in the nba, the referees award you with free throws. melo rarely falls down (that just hasn't been part of his game, he's usually on balance), thus he's rarely rewarded for the contact he takes at the rim.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:57 pm
by Nuggetsfanduh98
corona wrote:he needs to fall down more.

i've come to the conclusion that if you fall down in the nba, the referees award you with free throws. melo rarely falls down (that just hasn't been part of his game, he's usually on balance), thus he's rarely rewarded for the contact he takes at the rim.


I agree.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:16 pm
by el loco
corona wrote:he needs to fall down more.

i've come to the conclusion that if you fall down in the nba, the referees award you with free throws. melo rarely falls down (that just hasn't been part of his game, he's usually on balance), thus he's rarely rewarded for the contact he takes at the rim.



That and he needs to stop stomping his foot and yelling at the Refs after every no call. I think a lot of it has to do with Iverson being here. Before Iverson moved to town, and I am not bashing Iverson, Melo seemed to go to the line more often. I think the league tries to keep free throw attempts somewhat even and Melo's attempts are a result of that.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:31 pm
by eathy
ask AI on lessons how to flop.

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:31 pm
by big123
el loco wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




That and he needs to stop stomping his foot and yelling at the Refs after every no call. I think a lot of it has to do with Iverson being here. Before Iverson moved to town, and I am not bashing Iverson, Melo seemed to go to the line more often. I think the league tries to keep free throw attempts somewhat even and Melo's attempts are a result of that.


I agree that Melo should be getting more calls, but sometimes he tries to take on triple teams off the iso and the refs will just look at him like he's a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) before giving him a foul, even if he is fouled.

He sometimes waits for the double or triple instead of getting the ball and attacking. He also settles for jump shots sometimes when he could clearly take his man no problem.

I think Melo could be a pretty good defender, he has the stature and build. But he does not have the drive. He gets lackadaisical and sometimes it seems he doesn't even care.

I also think that Melo could be a pretty good rebounder as well. We have all seen glimpses of it, but I would like to see it on a more consistent basis.

But the most thing that bothers me about Melo is his head and immaturity. When things aren't going his way, he totally losses concentration, starts making dumb decisions. It really effects and disrupts his game.

Re: Civil Discussion about Melo

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:39 pm
by big123
SJustice1621 wrote:I thought it would only be fair to have a simialr discussion on Melo.

Ok, i'll start.

What do you guys think Melo can do to improve his game.

I say his defense could improve; sometimes he gets lost a lot on defense and plays lazy defense at spurts.

Also his driving to the rim, if he could control his body better getting to rim he would create less offensive fouls

Feel free to add in.


I also wanted to point out this is not the same as the Iverson thread. If it was, I'd point out my weaknesses for AI too.

post up more

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:47 pm
by sweetlou23
melo needs to post up more. he is unstoppable in the post. I think he relies on his jay too much. two months ago i would have said he needs to hit the boards more but he has made great strides in that department. as far as the refs go, i kinda feelm like denver in general and melo in particular got punished by the nba for that ny fiasco. just my opinion.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:34 am
by pickaxe
I think Melo just needs to apply himself all 48 minutes, because when he's on, when he's trying, he does almost every aspect beautifully. Passing, rebound, shooting, ally-oop, (maybe not boxing out)....

...but he forgets he IS a leader, he has got to be one of the ones, if not THE one who is pushing these guys to keep going,

It's one of those things where you know he can do it....but for one reason or another, distraction, tired, not getting calls, he "tones" it down for stretches of the game, some games.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:09 am
by TEAIM
He has a lot to improve on. But he's only 23, he's only going to get better.

Here's my top 10.

1. Pass out of double teams, especially in the low post.
2. Stop hooking people and getting stupid offensive fouls.
3. Play more on the perimeter; I hate him always posting up. Plus he's a better player when he mixes his game up.
4. Play better D. Stop being lazy.
5. Have better awareness on offence; too many times he doesn't know where the double teams coming from.
6. Stop getting so many turnovers late in games, especially in tight games. Also just play better in the 4th quarter.
7. Trust your team-mates more, u can't do it alone Melo.
8. Learn how to set a proper pick, he just stands there. Hit someone.
9. Stop missing all the technical free throws, this annoys me a lot. If u can't make 'em let somebody else shoot.
10. Get to the line more. But this isn't his fault, the refs hate him. He should get a lot more calls.

Other than that he's perfect.
:biggrin:

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:09 am
by JRMelo15
eathy wrote:ask AI on lessons how to flop.


Manu is an amazing at it, like all Argentinians are :nod:

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:31 am
by big123
eathy wrote:ask AI on lessons how to flop.


Yeah lol. He's so small, he makes it look like a flagarant. But he does it too much, sometimes he doesn't get the call and it results in a TO. But I'll take that with how many calls he does get.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:00 am
by ballinbu
melo needs to start making all those game winning shots like he used to

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:03 am
by big123
ballinbu wrote:melo needs to start making all those game winning shots like he used to


If he worked on the other things pointed out in this thread, he wouldn't have to :) 8) :clap:

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:10 am
by RRFB
ballinbu wrote:melo needs to start making all those game winning shots like he used to

Yeah, except every time there's an opportunity for a game winning shot, AI holds the ball.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:16 am
by big123
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Yeah, except every time there's an opportunity for a game winning shot, AI holds the ball.


Eh, I remember AI taking 2 this year and one he hit and Melo taking 1 and missed. I can't recall anymore.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:19 am
by noone
I think ball handling is his biggest flaw right now. That's the thing that gives the Wades, Lebrons that extra dimension on offense: the ability to stand at the top of the key, control traffic, weave through defenders, etc.

Right now he's way too limited to being set up on the wing from 18 feet out. And when he does bring the ball up the court, he usually walks to 18 feet out and settles for the jump shot. Improving his ball handling, he would be in a position to do much more.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:27 am
by noone
RRFB wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah, except every time there's an opportunity for a game winning shot, AI holds the ball.


Which is the right thing to do. Read my post above this about ball handling. That's a big part. You can't give Melo the ball beyond the 3 point line and expect him to create a good shot either for himself or someone else (well actually you could, but since Iverson's ball handling is so much better, there's no reason to put the ball in Melo's hands instead of Iverson's). Point being, because Iverson is a better ball handler and quicker, he is more likely to be able to create the better shot for himself or for his teammates, especially at that point in the game.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:27 am
by big123
noone wrote:I think ball handling is his biggest flaw right now. That's the thing that gives the Wades, Lebrons that extra dimension on offense: the ability to stand at the top of the key, control traffic, weave through defenders, etc.

Right now he's way too limited to being set up on the wing from 18 feet out. And when he does bring the ball up the court, he usually walks to 18 feet out and settles for the jump shot. Improving his ball handling, he would be in a position to do much more.


I think his ball handling is fine, he just doesn't do it as much as he should. When he does, he's deadly, escpecially on the post.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:30 am
by big123
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Which is the right thing to do. Read my post above this about ball handling. That's a big part. You can't give Melo the ball beyond the 3 point line and expect him to create a good shot either for himself or someone else (well actually you could, but since Iverson's ball handling is so much better, there's no reason to put the ball in Melo's hands instead of Iverson's). Point being, because Iverson is a better ball handler and quicker, he is more likely to be able to create the better shot for himself or for his teammates, especially at that point in the game.


True. Melo needs time to set everything up for himself, AI doesn't need as much.