I think its time to accept Carmelo for what he is

MELO4MVP · Post #1 » by **MELO4MVP** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:41 am

While he may be one of the best players in the league right now, I don't see him getting much better. It looks like he just floats out there and isn't having alot of fun playing basketball. It looks like he loss his drive.

T-33 · Post #2 » by **T-33** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:50 am

Who wouldnt lose their motivation lol? We've got George Karl as a coach and then 6 or 7 other guys playing for themselves...Not the best recipe for success lol.

Nuggetsfanduh98 · Post #3 » by **Nuggetsfanduh98** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:54 am

I did'nt wanna have to tell you this Melo4MVP. I thought you would have realized it by now. Our players don't seem to care about a Win just STATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MELO4MVP · Post #4 » by **MELO4MVP** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:59 am

Thats what A.I. can do to a guy. No wonder KVH, DC, Glenn Robinson, Stackhouse, and Cwebb didn't like...rather didn't enjoy their stay with A.I. being their teammate. The guy really kills team spirit.

goldenkarrrlll · Post #5 » by **goldenkarrrlll** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 5:19 am

Melo is really talented, and has good instincts but lacks basketball IQ as do all of the Nuggets and that is why they take bad shots and turn the ball over on offense. Do you ever see any cuts, pick and rolls...any plays for that matter? Extra passes? Melo is a phenomenal passer, great penetrator and has an awesome midrange jumper. Now the problem, he needs a coach that will push him and DESIGN an offense around him. In no way should a player with his talent be double and triple teamed and not be able to have players move to make the defense pay. Did you see how we paid for doubling Mcgrady with Battier/Head/Alston/Scola sticking it in our eye. With us the ball doesn't swing weakside and even get to a player for an open shot enough, and when it does too often LK misses....I am convinced if we get a PG and a coach we will compete for the West.

etopn23 · Post #6 » by **etopn23** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:21 am

This is ridiculous. Worse than even the Yao vs. T-Mac **** that goes on in the Rockets board. You Melo fans are idiots.

They are both great players, don't cry when one or the other has a bad game.

big123 · Post #7 » by **big123** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:46 am

etopn23 wrote:This is ridiculous. Worse than even the Yao vs. T-Mac **** that goes on in the Rockets board. You Melo fans are idiots.

They are both great players, don't cry when one or the other has a bad game.

I agree, it's ridiculous. I could see if the Nuggets had set plays and worked as a unit and AI was ruining that, but there was never that to begin with. AI had a bad game, that's it. Sadly, no one else stepped up in spite of it.

JRMelo15 · Post #8 » by **JRMelo15** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:53 am

etopn23 wrote:This is ridiculous. Worse than even the Yao vs. T-Mac **** that goes on in the Rockets board. You Melo fans are idiots.

They are both great players, don't cry when one or the other has a bad game.

This is what happens when we lose around here, Melo4mvp bashes everyone and everything except Melo...Welcome to Denver Nuggets board

Don_eMOCION#31 · Post #9 » by **Don_eMOCION#31** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:00 am

etopn23 wrote:This is ridiculous. Worse than even the Yao vs. T-Mac **** that goes on in the Rockets board. You Melo fans are idiots.

They are both great players, don't cry when one or the other has a bad game.

nice post. the problem is that GK isn't able to make plays for both of them. or simply teach them how to make a perfect pick&roll. that would be a very dangerous weapon because both are extremely dangerous scorers.

i still blame Karl

noone · Post #10 » by **noone** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:32 am

MELO4MVP wrote:Thats what A.I. can do to a guy. No wonder KVH, DC, Glenn Robinson, Stackhouse, and Cwebb didn't like...rather didn't enjoy their stay with A.I. being their teammate. The guy really kills team spirit.

Good stuff. Now why don't you try backing it up. Waiting....

almost famous · Post #11 » by **almost famous** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:29 am

I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this, but it's Iverson. He dominates the ball too much and just frustrates everyone. When you're not winning and you know why, but you can't say anything, it's understandable that you would lose motivation.

That said, I would rather sign Rodney White, Skita, and Ryan Bowen to max deals before we gave up on making Melo the franchise player.

big123 · Post #12 » by **big123** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:44 am

almost famous wrote:I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this, but it's Iverson. He dominates the ball too much and just frustrates everyone. When you're not winning and you know why, but you can't say anything, it's understandable that you would lose motivation.

That said, I would rather sign Rodney White, Skita, and Ryan Bowen to max deals before we gave up on making Melo the franchise player.

Is anything out there going on for AI not to do that or not want to do it? Pass to Melo and let him do it all the time? That's what you want?

AI has a bad night and took dumb shots. Maybe it was just an off night or maybe it's AI who just doesn't give a **** anymore since no one else does?

Don't worry, he's probably going to opt out so you can have all the Melo you can handle.

What was your excuse before Iverson? What will be your excuse after?

EMB6903 · Post #13 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:18 am

almost famous wrote:I know a lot of fans don't want to hear this, but it's Iverson. He dominates the ball too much and just frustrates everyone. When you're not winning and you know why, but you can't say anything, it's understandable that you would lose motivation.

That said, I would rather sign Rodney White, Skita, and Ryan Bowen to max deals before we gave up on making Melo the franchise player.

I personally think its Both Melo and AI who are the biggest reasons we are only a Solid team, we could be so much better with 2 top 10 players in the NBA but they cant get it through there mind that to establish a great offense we need ball movement on a consistant basis, these 2 are GREAT players that dont know how to play basketball the RIGHT way for a full 4 quarters, both consistantly turn the ball over 4+ times a game.

dont get me wrong Im a big fan of both Melo and AI, but players like that dont win championships, esspecially when they dont have a disiplined coach that gets on them when they dribble to much (ai) or hold on to the ball to long (melo) or when they start playing a 1 man offense BS every single game.

Karl is scared to get on AI and Melo for there horrible offensive play on many possessions during each game.

almost famous · Post #14 » by **almost famous** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:21 am

No that's not what I want. I want AI to play more as a team. There is a lot going on, but AI is so into his little cross overs that he doesn't see Najera cutting, Melo posting, LK open on the wing, etc.

And this isn't just something I decided on after one game. I decided it after the Spurs series. AI would dominate the offense so much that everyone was just out of sync.

I really hope he does opt out. I don't hate the guy. He has a winner's heart, but just can't get the team thing down to be one. He can opt out and join another contender, but I highly doubt he will ever win anything if he continues to play the way he is now.

Excuse for what? I thought the Nuggets were on a good track with Miller, JR, and Melo. What is your excuse for Iverson? All the talent that has come to him and left, why is he still ringless? Why are so many of those players saying they didn't like playing with him?

EMB6903 · Post #15 » by **EMB6903** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:21 am

big123 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Is anything out there going on for AI not to do that or not want to do it? Pass to Melo and let him do it all the time? That's what you want?
AI has a bad night and took dumb shots. Maybe it was just an off night or maybe it's AI who just doesn't give a **** anymore since no one else does?

Don't worry, he's probably going to opt out so you can have all the Melo you can handle.

What was your excuse before Iverson? What will be your excuse after?

I dont think anybody wants that, it would be nice to see iverson pass to Melo on the pick and rolls, something he NEVER does.

big123 · Post #16 » by **big123** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 10:31 am

almost famous wrote:No that's not what I want. I want AI to play more as a team. There is a lot going on, but AI is so into his little cross overs that he doesn't see Najera cutting, Melo posting, LK open on the wing, etc.

And this isn't just something I decided on after one game. I decided it after the Spurs series. AI would dominate the offense so much that everyone was just out of sync.

I really hope he does opt out. I don't hate the guy. He has a winner's heart, but just can't get the team thing down to be one. He can opt out and join another contender, but I highly doubt he will ever win anything if he continues to play the way he is now.

Excuse for what? I thought the Nuggets were on a good track with Miller, JR, and Melo. What is your excuse for Iverson? All the talent that has come to him and left, why is he still ringless? Why are so many of those players saying they didn't like playing with him?

I'm not going to answer because I didn't make any excuses and will never single out one player for a teams failure (expect Carter lol).

Why hasn't KG, T-Mac, Kobe without Shaq, Lebron, Dirk and Nash never win a thing? How about Malone, Barkley, Stockton, Miller etc??

No one player is going to win a championship themselves and no one player should be strutinized for it either.

MELO4MVP · Post #17 » by **MELO4MVP** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:01 pm

A.I is just a horrible player for this team. He destroys teams. Sad thing is, Carmelo is getting just like him.

MELO4MVP · Post #18 » by **MELO4MVP** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:06 pm

Before A.I. although we couldn't get out the first round, the team looked like it had a bright future. Carmelo was becoming one of the best players in the league and JR looked like a legit 2nd option. We had everything we possibly needed on this team, except shooters, but our 2 picks we had could've changed that. Since A.I. we left building around Carmelo and began to build a win not team with one problem. Selfishness. Looks like its to late to fix that.

AI4life07 · Post #19 » by **AI4life07** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:02 pm

wow its the blame one guy hack again. Iverson wasn't the only one that had a bad game just about everybody did. Carmelo shot just as poorly as Iverson did so stop this nonsense please. We played awful defense especially in the second half and we couldn't get it going on offense because of the poor shot selection. We need a real coach who can install some offensive and defensive structured game plan not the freestyle basketball we have been seeing for sometime.

Joe Kleazy · Post #20 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:40 pm

The two just dont fit well together in the long run. You need a traditional backcourt. When you had andre miller with melo you needed a guard like joe johnson, mike miller or michael redd to pair with your strong froncourt. Both melo and AI like the ball in their hands and only melo is capable of playing off the ball.

AI is your shooting guard but is better suited to play PG because he likes to have the ball but cant play full time PG because he'd rather shoot then pass. It also hurts that you must constantly figure out how to match up defensively due to having a 6' SG.

A more well rounded team with a better focus on defense ( nixes out GK ) would do wonders for your squad.

Its understandable why the move was made to bring in AI, but as talented as he is it was not the best fit for building around your franchise player. The options were limited at the time though.