Will the real Linas Klieza please stand up?

[MELO4MVP]

And the people who said that they glad that we didn't trade him for Artest needs to be banned from the Nuggets board. If I remember correctly, I'm one of the few people who said JR>Klieza and I rather trade Klieza than JR. Dude is a bum. He's a streaky 3 point shooter and thats it. He's a forever backup behind Carmelo, he really has no future here. Meanwhile, JR, the one who would fit perfect next to Carmelo and Nene in the future, is a goner after this year.

Btw, I'm also one of the few people who said that the Nuggets F.O. is horrible.

[Kevlo_911]

Do you want a cookie?

[corona]

JR, the one who would fit perfect next to Carmelo and Nene in the future, is a goner after this year.

eric says we're basically guaranteed to re-sign him.

i just wish lk could start shooting like he did last march.

[MELO4MVP]

JR, the one who would fit perfect next to Carmelo and Nene in the future, is a goner after this year.

eric says we're basically guaranteed to re-sign him.

i just wish lk could start shooting like he did last march.

Which means that we won't have enough money to sign another player, which means we`ll basically have the same team again next year, right? Unbelievable.

And how can Eric guarantee that we're going to resign him? I'm sure other teams like him.

[corona]

knows they'll match anything up to the MLE....
and they're probably right to assume that teams under the cap won't take a chance on a player with smith's history....by giving him 6+ million a season.

[MELO4MVP]

Ok, lets just say two teams offer him the mle. Do you honestly believe JR would like to play for Karl again when he can get the same money and play for a different coach? Not to mention that A.I. may still be here and Atkins will be here, so he'll still be a bench player.

[Teens On Acid]

i just wish we'd let LK go..seriously...one freakishly good game plus a few other good games...getting Artest for LK would have been a steal like no other. getting Mike Miller for LK and whoever else would have been great.

hindsight, 20/20 etc...

but who knows, maybe he'll come back to form....as much as i love this team, all i expect are losses due to the team not bringing EVERYTHING to the table every night.

i STILL want Karl out of here though..i'll never back down from that.

[pickaxe]

Just got to have faith in him. He's here now, this team is now, and dude does need to remember they kept him for a reason. He can hit shots and run the floor. Role player. That's all he's got to do, along with defense.

[corona]

Ok, lets just say two teams offer him the mle. Do you honestly believe JR would like to play for Karl again when he can get the same money and play for a different coach? Not to mention that A.I. may still be here and Atkins will be here, so he'll still be a bench player.

just like charlie bell, anderson varejao, sasha pavlovic...etc, jr may not have a choice.
and if he remains a bench player....he should be in the running for 6th man of the year as long as he stays on karl's good side.

[sportsmikegm23]

Some one is crying over spill milk...the trade deadline is over and pasted and Linus is still here... as far as Artest...probably could have helped... but that's gone now... Kleiza is inconsistent... he's a role player on this team...some night he will be good, a few great...others so so...and tonight terrible...but he is what he is... but you can't keep getting mad for what you don't have.... maybe Karl will get run for his "call on Artest" in the end...but it's done and over with now...

JR will be here unless it's a sign and trade...and I doubt that will happen...

[JRmakes_it_rain]

lk was playing like crap before the deadline, and now after the deadline....can't believe after the way he's played that he's prolly gonna ask for more money in the offseason....pro athletes are funny.

[Teens On Acid]

.some night he will be good, a few great...others so so...and tonight terrible...but he is what he is... but you can't keep getting mad for what you don't have

not at you personally, but this is the reason teams make trades, they sucker other teams into taking their garbage..LK is(should be?) in the recycling biin...

the fact we chose to try and make something out of that empty milk bottle...well.......that for sure aint on me

[M.Balla]

IMO Kleiza was overated around the league on this trade deadline and it was a golden opportunity to trade him for a btter player. The FO and the coach chose to stand path and that's it.

But the FO job is far far away from horrible. They haven't made a perfect job, but no one has. Damn it, San Antonio traded Scola to the Rockets (a conference rival who had a GLARING hole on that position that would turn them into contenders if they could fill it) for peanuts! Dumars draft Darko. Even Isaiah Thomas made some mistake or other.

[Maf]

Do you realize we would miss Linas AND Eddie when Artest is here? We could have won some games Linas played bad and Artest would probably helped much more. As we could lost those where Eddie stepped up like against the Spurs.

That trade would left Nuggets with Camby, Martin and... and... Hunter (a tall guy you can see during blow-outs) at big man's rotation. Neither of them is ijury-free for a long stretch (or suspension-free. Right, Kenyon?). And you are still so sure this trade would make us such better? Then you must think you could play Ron-Ron or Melo (who from some reason refuses to go inside this season) as PF's pernamently? Won't happen. Melo can't play D, big guys would kill him.

[corona]

As we could lost those where Eddie stepped up like against the Spurs.

or perhaps ginobili wouldn't have killed us with 14 assists (career high) in the second meeting, or going 6/10 in the first half in the first meeting?
19 points was eddie's career high...right? artest averages that.

That trade would left Nuggets with Camby, Martin and... and... Hunter (a tall guy you can see during blow-outs) at big man's rotation. Neither of them is ijury-free for a long stretch (or suspension-free. Right, Kenyon?).

nene's supposed to be back shortly.
phoenix was using hunter for 15-20mpg and they went to the western conference finals doing that. has his skill level dropped off the map since then, or is it the coaches trust in him?

Then you must think you could play Ron-Ron or Melo (who from some reason refuses to go inside this season) as PF's pernamently?

38% of carmelo's attempts are from inside this season.
as compared to 43% last year, and 44% the season before. it's not that huge of a dropoff. its essentially 1 more jumpshot and 1 fewer layup/dunk attempt per game, mostly to do with him having no pg to get him the ball when he has inside position.
and artest/melo aren't capable of playing the shooting guard position? artest excels defensively against sg's, and we'd just create matchup problems for the other team offensively.

[airchibundo507]

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38% of carmelo's attempts are from inside this season.
as compared to 43% last year, and 44% the season before. it's not that huge of a dropoff. its essentially 1 more jumpshot and 1 fewer layup/dunk attempt per game, mostly to do with him having no pg to get him the ball when he has inside position.
and artest/melo aren't capable of playing the shooting guard position? artest excels defensively against sg's, and we'd just create matchup problems for the other team offensively.[/quote]

yeah.

I remember a game where artest locked up roy and held him to 4-18 FG.

[Maf]

oh my... For first time on this forum I have no freaking idea what are you talking about.

Talking about Artest's average? You'd expect him to average the same? While not being second, but third-fourth option? There is just no way to average many points without ball in your hands


"Nene's supposed" sounds nice. But for christ sakes, what can you expect from him? Even at the start of the season he played badly, couldn!t finish at all. And we still talking about 15-20 games without any big bodies. Hunter averaged 13.8 that season, where did you get that 20? Plus he has long history with his knees and when he's out, you don't have ANY replacement on the bench. ANY! It isn't such a big deal or what?
Oh, btw- playing for the Suns means any skills? Comme on, Piatkowski, Shirley, Pat Burke. Just a few names who also played for the Suns. Anyone can play for the Suns


I don't take seriously your statistic, too. Jumper from the paint isn't what I'm talking about. If you want to tell me Melo goes as agressive, strong and with passion to physically beat his defender inside as last season did, I don't believe you watch every Nuggets game twice... Instead of posting up he rather goes for his 10-15footers. He can knocked'em killerly, for sure.



Thing is- I respect your and the others opinion that Artest would make Nuggets better. But can't understand how having three injury-prone big guys and one comming back from cancer isn't such a big deal. Or having crazy Artest who probably wouldn't respect such ass like Karl at all

[corona]

Talking about Artest's average? You'd expect him to average the same? While not being second, but third-fourth option? There is just no way to average many points without ball in your hands

i believe your point was that najera's won games for us. my point is that artest does the same...only moreso and he does it in nearly every game instead of showing up once a week (or once every 3 weeks in kleiza's case). particularly against a team like the spurs where he can defend ginobili and use his size on the inside.
yea, his scoring would drop. but his consistent impact is greater than that of lk & eddie combined.
two good players don't make a great player.

"Nene's supposed" sounds nice. But for christ sakes, what can you expect from him?

to come back, take up space and be a big body that can set screens and finish a little bit in the remaining games.

what's funny to me is that you act as if najera is some gigantic power forward and we'd be left with this wimpy, gimpy, thin frontline without him.
what have we relied on this whole season? camby/martin/najera, right?

you do realize that artest is not only taller than najera, but he's stronger, bigger and a better defender (against bigs or small) too....right?

sure...we lose eddie, but we're left with a frontline that's actually bigger. what's the problem with that?

And we still talking about 15-20 games without any big bodies. Hunter averaged 13.8 that season, where did you get that 20? Plus he has long history with his knees and when he's out, you don't have ANY replacement on the bench. ANY! It isn't such a big deal or what?
Oh, btw- playing for the Suns means any skills? Comme on, Piatkowski, Shirley, Pat Burke. Just a few names who also played for the Suns. Anyone can play for the Suns

that's my error on the minutes. i thought he had played a little bit more.
but 14mpg in 76 games is pretty decent. and enough that we should be able to rely on him for more than 7 minutes a game in 12 games this season.
btw...burke, shirley & pike have never played near that many minutes for the suns. they've all been players restricted to use in blowouts (like wafer/green/. hunter was a rotation player who got minutes basically every single game. and d'antoni has always stuck with a very limited 8-9 man rotation.

I don't take seriously your statistic, too. Jumper from the paint isn't what I'm talking about. If you want to tell me Melo goes as agressive, strong and with passion to physically beat his defender inside as last season did, I don't believe you watch every Nuggets game twice...

watching this team once is more than enough, i don't think i could take any more.
and melo does still attack the rim at a high rate and beats his man up inside physically. he just does it in different ways because dre/blake aren't there to throw him lobs or get him the ball in positions where he can score as quickly and aggressively in the paint (atkins should help immensely here, as well as in spreading the court for him). there's a reason he's averaging a career high in offensive rebounds, and its not because he's become soft.

But can't understand how having three injury-prone big guys and one comming back from cancer isn't such a big deal.

its the same deal as it is right now. having najera doesn't make us not rely on 3 injury prone bigs.
in fact we're worse off now because eddie's just not that big and he's not that good of a defender. i saw a picture last year of him standing side by side with smith....and jr had an inch on him.

Or having crazy Artest who probably wouldn't respect such ass like Karl at all

i believe it would have been worth the risk. better have him and make the attempt at a title than sit where we are now with an 80 million dollar payroll, four aging vets (three of which are injury prone....and 3 of which have been remarkably healthy this season), a young sg that needs an extension, no money to use on other free agents, an inconsistently average SF, and a 9th seed.

[Maf]

Eddie isn't the tallest guy, that's for sure. But his game is more suited for playing inside. No doubt Melo and even Artest can finish better around the rim. But little things cause them trouble. Like making some space. They're too often get too agresive with their elbows they're able to pick up 2-3 off fauls during three minutes.
I don't think lack of talent (3pt shooting maybe) is the Nuggets problem. I see it in Karl and his lack of passion for NBA anymore.

Not saying Hunter is completely useless. You're right, Shirley or Burke never were in serious rotation like Hunter. Probably because he's 7ft tall and Suns hadn't have good center since, I don't know- Andrew Lang? At some games I wondered why Karl can't find any minutes for Hunter, nut that's just Karl. Can't do anything about him


cool. Think we cleared some misunderstandings. I'm not saying it couldn't move Nuggets to the top. Just saying strictly "no" for- This trade would make us definitively contender. There is so many IF's
So hate this negative atmposphere floating around these boards nowadays. Eddie and Linas are hard workers with great attitude. They try to improve their game as much as they can. For this, blaming those guys they're the reason some more talented headcase isn't at Nuggets uniform, that's just **** crazy! Fans should follow a codex that says hard working brings fans love. Not being talented and lazy. Same for bashing Iverson, who took 24 shots combined during last two and playing with broken finger. IDK, in my mind it's just as nasty as **** grand-aunt on a wheelchair

[MELO4MVP]

Maf, coming up with any reason for why we're better off without Artest is stupid. And I don't see why you guys make it a big deal on Melo and Test playing the 2. Artest guards the best perimeter player no matter what so what's the problem? And what team can guard both Test and Carmelo on the block? Najera do the little hustle things on d, but in no way is he a good defender.

A.I.
Artest
Carmelo
Kmart
Camby

That easily is the best defensive frontcourt in the league, not to mention it benches A.C.