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Bzdelik's candid take on Melo 

Post#1 » by SnakefromHell » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:24 pm

For those who don't remember him, he was the Nuggets' coach between 2002-2004. Recently rated as the Denver Nuggets franchise's best ever coach by denverstiff.com

He was Melo's coach when Melo was a rookie and second year...

Radio Colorado Network's Dino Costa thought calling Melo as a franchise player/ superstar is a reach and Bzdelik agrees.

Hit on point and what I've been saying about Melo about:
- Melo only cares about himself
- Not at all about winning

http://www.girlsandsports.com/firegeorg ... k-Clip.mp3

Costa: Melo is a nice player, but to call him an elite player, one of the players in the NBA that's really the franchise type player, I'm reluctant to go that far because it's just a lot of things about this guy that just don't make sense to me and don't add up... and when they're trying to attach a leadsership label to this kid, I think that is insulting almost on a couple of different levels. But you read about things with the Nuggets. Just put Melo specifically, would you care to comment at all about his career up to this point in time and what you're seeing and what you saw when you coached him?

Bzdelik: Sure. I'll be very candid with you. I'll tell you this one story. I like Carmelo, I like him as a young man. When we sit down and talk with him, he's a good person. He is. But... here's the but.

I remember one day, I was sitting in my office with him and we were going with a film cuz I did it individually with him. And I said to him and I was showing to him, 'Carmelo look at... you don't defensive rebound, you don't defend, you don't run the court defensively, you're a one-way runner, you have to share the ball'... and I said 'you know, these are the things that will help you individually and your team get to the next level'... and his response to me was, 'coach, my game's good enough' and I said, 'well if that's the attitude you're gonna take then you'll never be all that you can be more what your team be all they can be.' And until he gets it and I told him I said...

'Carmelo, one day they're gonna fire me, probably really soon, you know that, I know that, the media knows that, the fans know that. Hopefully one day you'll look back on this conversation and say, 'you know what coach Bz was right'.

In other words, right now he's a "typical NBA player" and that's Pat Riley's using that phrase and I learned it from him. Typical NBA players who just worry about them, their own points, their own game. And they're other typical players like Tim Duncan, for example, who cares greatly about just doing one thing: winning. Hitting open men, defending, rebounding, those kinds of things and they're very few these typical players in the NBA.

Costa: Well said, I think that pretty much sums it up, coach. Thanks so much. Continue success, we'll talk with you down the road and thanks for your time.

Bzdelik: Thank you, Dino. Bye bye.


Source: http://www.denverstiff.com


I agree emphatically with this. I hope these typical NBA players and the player fans can lock themselves up in a room and play video game NBA Live/ 2K as them and so they can score 40-50 ppg because it's all they care about. Being in posters with jaw dropping dunks and score 50 pts > winning... they should all worship themselves. Am sick of Carmelo... I'd swap Melo for Rose straight up although Rose is not proven in anyway... I'll do it. But Bulls are a smart organization, they won't do it in a million years.

Melo's talent cannot be hated... it's his approach to winning. I have to repeat this, if Carmelo cares so much about winning as he does on Team USA, no way he's not gonna defend. Although Karl doesn't help and doesn't have the proper system in place with streetball, it's the urge within one person when it comes to winning that everything else will automatically come. In short, if you care about winning, if you play with defenseless Europeans as your teammates and European coaches who don't know defense... it doesn't matter, you will still automatically play defense... because you want to win in the worst way.

Why can Melo want to win on Team USA and don't want to win on the Nuggets? Because if he really wants to win on the Nuggets, he'll defend, no question about it. IF he GENUINELY wants to win in the worst way, there's no way he'd not defend or show up the way he has most of his Nugget career.

This is frustrating because Carmelo's talent cannot be hated on... it's too good. But why when it comes to the Nuggets he doesn't give 100% just as much as he demands the team to give him 100%?
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Re: Bzdelik's candid take on Melo 

Post#2 » by CanNugget » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:59 pm

holy ****, snake is this all you post about? everytime i come on here its just you bitching about melo give it a rest...
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Post#3 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:16 pm

Jesus Snake, you really need to get a life.

The thing you bolded mentioned Melo not defensive rebounding. Well, he certainly changed that.

If the story is true? Who gives a fawk. It was years ago. You don't think he hasn't matured or changed at all?

Did Melo sleep with your girlfriend or something? You are getting crazy with the hate.
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Post#4 » by Peanut » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:46 pm

Snake hates on Melo to much and Melo is my favorite player.

If Carmelo really said that he should be ashamed of himself and that's ****ing pathetic. He needs to grow the **** up, stop talking about wanting to win, and start showing that he want to win. Thats flatout ****ing pathetic if he said that and he's heading down that Kobe Bryant route and he needs to wake the hell up.
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Re: Bzdelik's candid take on Melo 

Post#5 » by legendarywalton » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:06 pm

I've heard this story before the interview, and it doesn't shock me. I don't think we should attack Snake because of what he posted, because it is still relevant Nuggets news. That said, this was a while ago and should have no bearing on who Melo is now. We can however use this story as anecdotal proof that Carmelo has a long way to go before he reaches his potential in terms of maturity and basketball skill. Anyone that starts their career with that sort of mindset certainly has a lot of obstacles ahead.

We should probably be prepared for it to take Melo 6-7 years (from the time of the incident) before he has an attitude change. If he doesn't get it after that, maybe it takes a new location to spark the change.
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Post#6 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:23 pm

He has already changed some of the things mentioned in the article.

If this was this season, I'd care. It's not. A kid comes in to the NBA, having had success at every level, and I'm sure everyone was telling him how great he is. A lot of kids would develop that mindset.

We've seen him improving the last few years. I'd rather look at that than something said four or five years ago. For Snake though, it proves all his disillusions about Melo?

Riiiight. He deserved to be attacked, for not looking at things logically.
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Post#7 » by CanNugget » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:38 pm

I have no problem with snake posting nugget related things, except that its ALWAYS attacking melo saying how lazy he is and how he hates defense and all that, it gets repetitive and a little annoying.
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Post#8 » by denvers_finest » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:41 pm

SnakefromHell wrote: Recently rated as the Denver Nuggets franchise's best ever coach by denverstiff.com


Sorry, this just caught me off guard. I mean, really? Not Doug Moe, not Larry Brown. Hell, Issel was better than Bz (espically his first stint when he had some talent).

I liked Bz, and thought he got a bum rap when he was canned, kinda a lame duck, but there is now way he is the best coach in the history of the franchise. Not that he's the worst *caugh* westhead/hanzlick *caugh*
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Post#9 » by almost famous » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:23 pm

Even I'm tired of the Melo basking, but this was actually interesting. Worthy of its own thread? Maybe not. But I'm glad I read it.
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Post#10 » by NOOB77 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:32 pm

This was interesting news when it happened......

Did you guys also read the breaking news that Melo lead Syracuse to a National Championship...
Then Melo was in a some kind of stop snitching...
Melo was also caught with weed in an airport...

This is old old news !!!!
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Post#11 » by SnakefromHell » Tue Jul 1, 2008 12:47 am

Guys... you guys especially you Nutty Nuts Fan think Melo has grown up?!? Are you kidding me? If he has, I wouldn't bitch about him and his attitude towards winning. I wouldn't bash Melo when he played for Team USA. I'm not some obssessed player hater... I hate why he can't do for the Nuggets what he does for team USA.

If he really wants to win, if he really genuinely wants to win on and for the Nuggets, there's NO WAY... there's NO WAY he'd show up defensively the way he has for basically all his career. There's NO WAY he'd show up the way he did in the Lakers series, not running back defensively, not helping out on rebounds, not defending at all, even forcing shots on the offensive end when if he would move the ball not hold to it, he'd probably see late double teams that he could take advantage of when he got the ball back.

KG played all his years in Minnesota but guy wanted to win. None of his teammates knew what defense was, especially The Wally World... but guy still played mad defense. I don't think Flip Saunders was a defensive specialist either... because he's much more about his offense. But KG wanted to win in the worst way... and that made him play D. Kobe couldn't guard during his first couple of years in the L but he wanted to win and he called up Gary Payton in summer 2000 asking for defensive tips.

I can't see that in Melo unless when he was donning Team USA. Why does he have something to prove on that team and nothing to prove on the Nuggets? If he had 3-4 rings right now, then I'd take his lackadaisical approach better. But guy is a loser on this team... which is what I hate because it's detrimental to the team.

He has to realize he's the leader of this team, and everything he does, everything he says, words, body language has POWERFUL effect on the organization, not just his teammates. If he really wants to be treated like a franchise, then he start better acting like one. Because so far, he's done little to deserve it.
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Re: Bzdelik's candid take on Melo 

Post#12 » by DNIsLeGiT » Tue Jul 1, 2008 1:54 am

He needs to figure it out that defense and team ball wins games and not just going out there and get yours and be happy, hopefully he matures up from that and not actually still believe he's good enough already because certainly there's alot of other player out there that's alot better then him and if he wants to become what he says then he better start doing it.

This upcoming season should say alot about carmelo and what type of player he will be, he better start playing defense and not just say it but actually doing it.
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Post#13 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Tue Jul 1, 2008 2:55 am

How exactly can Melo play team ball, when there is zero team concept, thanks to the coach?
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Post#14 » by ambiglight » Tue Jul 1, 2008 7:11 am

SnakefromHell wrote:Guys... you guys especially you Nutty Nuts Fan think Melo has grown up?!? Are you kidding me? If he has, I wouldn't bitch about him and his attitude towards winning. I wouldn't bash Melo when he played for Team USA. I'm not some obssessed player hater... I hate why he can't do for the Nuggets what he does for team USA.

If he really wants to win, if he really genuinely wants to win on and for the Nuggets, there's NO WAY... there's NO WAY he'd show up defensively the way he has for basically all his career. There's NO WAY he'd show up the way he did in the Lakers series, not running back defensively, not helping out on rebounds, not defending at all, even forcing shots on the offensive end when if he would move the ball not hold to it, he'd probably see late double teams that he could take advantage of when he got the ball back.

KG played all his years in Minnesota but guy wanted to win. None of his teammates knew what defense was, especially The Wally World... but guy still played mad defense. I don't think Flip Saunders was a defensive specialist either... because he's much more about his offense. But KG wanted to win in the worst way... and that made him play D. Kobe couldn't guard during his first couple of years in the L but he wanted to win and he called up Gary Payton in summer 2000 asking for defensive tips.

I can't see that in Melo unless when he was donning Team USA. Why does he have something to prove on that team and nothing to prove on the Nuggets? If he had 3-4 rings right now, then I'd take his lackadaisical approach better. But guy is a loser on this team... which is what I hate because it's detrimental to the team.

He has to realize he's the leader of this team, and everything he does, everything he says, words, body language has POWERFUL effect on the organization, not just his teammates. If he really wants to be treated like a franchise, then he start better acting like one. Because so far, he's done little to deserve it.


The psychology of a basketball player is fascinating stuff. I think we can all imagine why a player will give 100% in one context but not give it his all in another.

Some players enjoy being underdogs, and dont know how to win unless they have their backs against the wall.

Other players have to be recognized as the top dog, and have everything go in their favor to even feel motivated to compete.

Some players are just flat out lazy, and only play all out when its only required of them for short periods of time.

In my opinion, melo is not the underdog type that relishes proving doubters wrong. He's partially lazy and partially a top dog that will only play when theres a good chance he's going to win. That explains his championship, that explains how he plays for the olympic squad.

But his psychology is not the problem for this team. Cause there are plenty of players with championships that have that mentality.

The problem for this team is NOBODY is trying counterbalance his weakness with role players that have those qualities as strengths. If your best player can't defend, you find players that can compensate for that. Thats what they did in philly with AI back in the day. Thats what phoenix did with nash for years. But for whatever reason the management of this team just further added to and exposed his weaknesses by adding garbage defenders on the perimeter to play beside him.

Frankly I think melo is overrated, but I dont think its right to scapegoat him for the short comings of this team. All players have flaws. Its up to management to figure out how to put players on the floor that compliment each other while the coach coaches. When you got AC starting and you got JR riding the pine for half the season, and you make no moves to sure up your backcourt or get a more versatile center, melos laziness is but one problem amongst many.
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Post#15 » by SunTzuMachiavelli » Tue Jul 1, 2008 7:38 am

ambiglight wrote:

The problem for this team is NOBODY is trying counterbalance his weakness with role players that have those qualities as strengths. If your best player can't defend, you find players that can compensate for that. Thats what they did in philly with AI back in the day. Thats what phoenix did with nash for years. But for whatever reason the management of this team just further added to and exposed his weaknesses by adding garbage defenders on the perimeter to play beside him.

Frankly I think melo is overrated, but I dont think its right to scapegoat him for the short comings of this team. All players have flaws. Its up to management to figure out how to put players on the floor that compliment each other while the coach coaches. When you got AC starting and you got JR riding the pine for half the season, and you make no moves to sure up your backcourt or get a more versatile center, melos laziness is but one problem amongst many.


Nash had a whole system set up around him perfectly, that's very rare though. I don't think it's really fair to demand that.

AI is limited physically as to what he can do on D, no one can knock his hustle though. If you were a role player playing beside him in Philly and didn't give 100 percent you looked very foolish. Seriously, if you're watching a little guy get slammed around, running full speed around the court constantly and that doesn't motivate you to hustle than you're hopeless. If Melo had the effort AI did he'd probably be in MVP talks.

I also don't think it's right to point a finger at Camby so much either. He's a good defensive 5, and there's not many of them. I wouldn't sacrifice that defense, it's needed pretty badly. The 5's that play offense and defense are not available for anything. I could understand if someone was available, but who?
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Post#16 » by Teens On Acid » Tue Jul 1, 2008 8:24 am

soo...which NBA team is Bzdelik coaching now? i forget.

just going to linger on him for a second...his wins the season before Melo was drafted....17.
wins once Melo was in the team....43. granted, Andre Miller probably had alot to do with those wins as well as Melo...but we're not talking about the short comings of Miller in this thread now, are we.

the point of snakes thread is that
- Melo only cares about himself
- Not at all about winning

i call BS. surround Melo with a team and coaching staff to compliment his strengths and weaknesses, and we'll be talking Conference finals.

i'm tired of all the Melo bashing. one man isn't responsible here. everyone on the entire team has their faults. make a thread about carter, LK, Camby or AI for once. at least then you might not look like such an assh0le.

some interesting Melo/Ai points about last season. (i'm choosing AI for comparison because he is the other player most of the blame for success should fall on, he's not exactly a role player)

- AI played more games than melo, shot the ball 100 times more than melo did while making a handfull less.

- AI shot the 3-ball 100 times more and at a lower percentage than Melo did.

- Melo received over 100 more fouls than AI did. (star status, bad D etc etc)
a player standing around not doing anything won't get fouls.

- both had around the same number of turnovers.

this was AI's 12th year in the league...Melo's 5th.

that's all i have to say.

i probably won't respond either...tired of talking to brick walls.
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Post#17 » by SnakefromHell » Tue Jul 1, 2008 9:30 am

I can see what you're getting at ^ but AI and Nash are different than Carmelo.

They're all weak defensively but the thing with Melo that makes him different from AI and Nash is his effort.

AI and Nash give effort everytime on defense. It's just they're not good enough to make that much difference. Did you guys remember AI blocking that Rocket's player lay up off the glass? Or Nash swatting a Knicks player layup from behind.

But Melo? He can completely glue his feet to the floor and the only that keeps up with his man is his eyes... e.g. when in Phoenix, Denver blew a huge lead to lose the game, Nash didn't even shake and bake to get past Melo for a wide open layup. I think Camby was stunned Melo provided so little resistance that he wasn't in there in time to provide help defense. It was not only pathetic... it's vulgar. It's "I don't know what this guy is thinking... I think he is/ was drunk" comment-worthy type of performance.

The difference between Melo and the rest of defensive liability guys is effort. Melo did not put any effort and we all have seen (especially if you follow Nuggets games) how not only decent, but actually very good Melo is defensively when he puts an effort into it. But he doesn't... and only once in every 6-7 games will he try to defend. Which is why I am so pissed at Carmelo because I care greatly about Carmelo. My disappointment turns into anger because I know how darn good he can be if he plays to win. Although I admit, I care first and foremost about the team, not players.

I don't think AI and Nash put effort defensively because they don't want to be criticized too much. These guys want to win. They're like, "I will give my all although I know I suck defensively. Hope it can help a little bit." And Melo doesn't suck defensively at all... it's his attitude that eats up his game.

And as a franchise who wants to be treated so, he can't do that.
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Post#18 » by airchibundo507 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:45 pm

I'm not going to go into the details on melo's defensive woes...

I really don't understand why there is such a difference in effort from whenever he plays on the nuggets and when he plays in FIBA. however, this much I do know:

on FIBA he is surrounded by other guys who play hard defense; he brings more of an effort so that he won't be a liability in any way. on the nuggets he is surrounded by the worst cast of defenders in the league; none of the players have an defensive awareness or IQ. if melo DID manage to play hard on the nuggets...it really wouldn't make much of an impact. the other guys are inept when it comes to defense...and one good perimeter defender has little impact when we are talking about defensive chemistry and awareness in rotation.

as for offense...I really don't understand what you guys want from melo. the guy is right now the best "finisher" in the game. if guys put him in the slighest position to score, he has one of the best mid-range jumpers in the league and is a bulldozer in the post compared to other guys in his position.

does management understand melo's offense strengths...? NO.

we traded away our only point guard (who happened to have great chemistry with melo) for an undersized shooting guard who I have yet seen set him up for an easier basket.

melo has added a new dimension to his offensive repetoire: he isn't solely a finisher now...he is a legit offensive isolation option. you don't have to set him up; just feed him the ball in the post and let him get to work. what melo needs to become is an offensive facilitator. that is what guys like kobe and duncan are...you can feed them the ball, let them draw the double or stifle the defense, and the entire team can play off of the defensive attention that the star player receives.

melo has proven to be an adequate passser (though he is sometimes turnover prone). what he frikkin needs is some spacing on the floor. that's what kobe and duncan have. look at the players are those two: the role players either can shoot the perimeter jumper or finish at the basket; they are unselfish and realize who the first option is on the team.

how often do we see duncan get a pass from the perimeter...draw the double...pass back out to the perimeter...and have the perimeter pass him BACK the ball whenever the help defender gets back to his man???

I haven't see this on the nuggets in the last 5 years.

melo can't facilitate an offense until he has the right pieces. the only guys who fit that description on the entire roster are smith, klieza, nene, and najera. smith and klieza can spread the floor and are strong finishers at the basket. nene is a dominant finisher and could average 15 if he was set-up more on offense (last years spurs series). najera is the only willing nugget player to cut to the basket whenever melo has the ball in the post.

without an entire roster who can do simple things like spread the floor, finish at the basket, play unselfish basketball, etc...melo won't develop into that elite player we've been waiting for.
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Post#19 » by airchibundo507 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 6:47 pm

SnakefromHell wrote:I can see what you're getting at ^ but AI and Nash are different than Carmelo.

They're all weak defensively but the thing with Melo that makes him different from AI and Nash is his effort.

AI and Nash give effort everytime on defense. It's just they're not good enough to make that much difference. Did you guys remember AI blocking that Rocket's player lay up off the glass? Or Nash swatting a Knicks player layup from behind.


what a stupid argument.

I'll take the guy who can turn his defense on-and-off over the guy who tries 100% but still sucks.
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Post#20 » by DaFan334 » Tue Jul 1, 2008 7:38 pm

I see why Bzdelik's still in the NBA...
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