Dice going to Boston?

misterplatypus · Post #1 » by **misterplatypus** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 8:53 pm

I'm sure he'd rather play there......But I hope we convince him other wise.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... t_mcdyess/

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #2 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 8:59 pm

Screw him if he does that. He has been saying he'd retire if the Pistons traded him, so Denver out of respect to him is willing to buy him out so he can return to the Pistons. If he wants to go to Boston, screw the buyout. Either he plays here or he retires and Denver doesn't have to pay him a dime.

Shady08 · Post #3 » by **Shady08** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 9:18 pm

Or the Cavs?

Cavaliers Have Interest In McDyess
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... n_mcdyess/

RRFB · Post #4 » by **RRFB** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 9:53 pm

This whole situation is getting ridiculous.
I can't believe he's still bitching about what happened six years ago. The guys in our FO now had nothing to do with any of that.
If he's gonna keep crying about it then buy him out already, and get Juwan Howard back in here. We really could have used him last night.

DaFan334 · Post #5 » by **DaFan334** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 9:54 pm

Would we be better off telling him to play for us or retire than buying him out? If Dice is bought out, he remains against our cap figure next year. But if he is forced to retire, he is off the books after this year. Not positive I have that correct, but it just doesn't seem that worth it to buy him out when he could be a very serviceable player on this team.

blue steel · Post #6 » by **blue steel** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 10:28 pm

I might be wrong but it seems like we are doing him a favor by buying him out. I don't understand why we would want to do a favor for him at this point, so why not let him retire if he wants to be a baby? I dont understand why we would give him any money for not wanting to play for us unless it was prearranged before the trade.

And as someone said, our front office now isnt the same one that traded him in 2002... This is so annoying because he really makes this a great trade, we NEED another reliable big.

Post #7 » by **MHZ** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 10:32 pm

Ah yes, Cleveland. You're an elite team that a vet can go to in order to go for that NBA title that has eluded their career to this point. Oh wait....

Post #8 » by **sully00** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 11:28 pm

The buyout advantage for the Nuggets is that it would be 3 mil this year and next getting them to the Lux Tax threshold. If he plays for the Nuggets he will cost them 13mil in salary in tax this season not counting the trade kicker in his contract and missing out on the tax distribution.

I think another part of his frustration is that he just watched DEN trade AI and Camby to cut salary. He doesn't want to move to DEN to get dealt again at the deadline in another cost cutting move which is obviously a possibility if they are so willing to talk about a buyout now.

almost famous · Post #9 » by **almost famous** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 11:42 pm

Tough luck. If he doesn't want to abide by his contract than we should be able to rip up the whole thing. I don't see a reason to buy this moron out. He's paid great money for crap like this. With the economy the way it is, he should be on his hands and knees thanking the NBA for giving him this money despite his watered down talent.

And who is he to get mad at us for trading him for solid pieces for the future? Detroit just did the same thing to him!!! Seems a little contradictory. :roll:

UNLVNugsFan · Post #10 » by **UNLVNugsFan** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 2:01 am

Whats the bare minimum amount we could pay under the CBA to buy him out? Is there a minimum? Because if there is not, I tell him the only way he is getting bought out is if he takes something less than 10% or so of his contract, otherwise too bad.

pickaxe · Post #11 » by **pickaxe** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 6:38 am

What does Dice really want? An apology from the Denver FO? Denver or Detroit both offer good situations for him. He just needs to commit.

Post #12 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 3:14 pm

almost famous wrote:Tough luck. If he doesn't want to abide by his contract than we should be able to rip up the whole thing. I don't see a reason to buy this moron out. He's paid great money for crap like this. With the economy the way it is, he should be on his hands and knees thanking the NBA for giving him this money despite his watered down talent.

And who is he to get mad at us for trading him for solid pieces for the future? Detroit just did the same thing to him!!! Seems a little contradictory.

I think he is more pissed off about the fact that we traded him to the team that messed up his medical care, and caused him all the further damage to his knee that he sustained after he left here.

That being said, it has been a week since he found out about the trade. It is time he makes the decision either he accepts the buyout that the Nuggets are willing to give him, retires, is traded, or gets his head together and shows up to play tonight. The Nuggets have been trying to do the right thing for him, it is time for him to do the right thing for everybody.

SnakefromHell · Post #13 » by **SnakefromHell** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 4:13 pm

This is so pathetic... since when it's up to employees to show up or not.

He's under contract, he's obliged to show up to work!

Sure buyouts can be negotiated... but in the end, it should be up to the employers whether buyouts are granted... not up to the employees.

NBA should ban players who don't want to play for the teams they're traded to for that whole season (can't sign with any other team until next season).

killbuckner · Post #14 » by **killbuckner** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 4:45 pm

If he retires then he wouldn't count against the Nuggets cap for the rest of THIS season let alone next season. Seriously- he is trying to say "watch out or I'll retire". The Nuggets response shouldn't be placation- it should be "GO FOR IT!" seriously... people want to do him a favor because he refuses to play for the nuggets? **** that- its not like he had a no trade clause he waived to let the deal go through.

Snake- the NBA does have that rule... if he doesn't want to play for the Nuggets then he can't play at all. Its only if the Nuggets agree to buy him out that he is allowed to play for someone else. But why would they do that when they are better off if he just retires?

Post #15 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 4:56 pm

killbuckner wrote:If he retires then he wouldn't count against the Nuggets cap for the rest of THIS season let alone next season. Seriously- he is trying to say "watch out or I'll retire". The Nuggets response shouldn't be placation- it should be "GO FOR IT!" seriously... people want to do him a favor because he refuses to play for the nuggets? **** that- its not like he had a no trade clause he waived to let the deal go through.

Snake- the NBA does have that rule... if he doesn't want to play for the Nuggets then he can't play at all. Its only if the Nuggets agree to buy him out that he is allowed to play for someone else. But why would they do that when they are better off if he just retires?

As I posted before they are trying to be nice about the whole situation, however if McDyess continues to try playing hardball, I am sure he will lose in the end. From my understanding if he does not report and play for the Nuggets the team has every right to force the NBA to suspend him, which removes half of his salary off the cap, and he is not paid. Or he can just retire, but either way if he continues to be a cry baby over crap that happened 6 years ago, then he is going to pay the price.

Another thing that many people are missing, si that the Nuggets actually do want him to play, they think he is a missing piece, as a solid backup big that can play either position and hit a jump shot. People forget that even with aI being such a horrible fit on this team, they actually won 50 games last year, while having their start PG and PF miss basically the entire season. They feel and rightly so if you ask me, that with Billups at piont, and McDyess backing up the bigs, they are a team that can win more then 50 games this year and get past the 1st round of the playoffs.

Post #16 » by **sully00** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 6:41 pm

I don't believe the "league" has ever suspended a player in this situation, nor does the CBA say that it can. While they likely would eventually get involved they will likely try and encourage the team and player to resolve the issue.

Obviously the team can "suspend" McDyess or essentially fine him his salary. They still have to pay the money into the fine fund and will receive no cap relief.

That is why players have some leverage in this situation.

Dice has no reason to retire he doesn't get paid either way. Even if the team gets the league to suspend him they will simply get his cap hit cut in half, they may actually still have to pay his whole salary into the charity fund. So a 50% buyout is to their advantage, expecially since he can simply walk back into camp in the summer and they would have to pay him.

In the end Dice is getting jerked by the Pistons who signed him to this extension last season that is why the idea of him going back there seems bizarre to me. Beyond that the Nuggets have protections built into trades, as far as the player reporting for a physical, that they chose to waive and were fully aware of McDyess' position when they made the deal.

In the end he is a man with a job, nothing more nothing less, if you don't like your job you can quit too.

berserker · Post #17 » by **berserker** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 8:45 pm

Why can't we simply convince him to stay until we can trade him again?

Look, this retire/buyout is crap. So we wait a few months, then trade him and Chucky for someone expiring and a draft pick. Why isn't anyone talking about this??????

We get a few good months out of him, or he sits on the bench and mopes. Either way, let's get SOMETHING back for him, because a lot of teams have interest....no sense in just trading AI for Billups straight up. Hell, even a 2nd rounder would be worth it, IMO.......

Post #18 » by **corona** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 12:34 am

no sense in just trading AI for Billups straight up

considering that billups is better than iverson in every advanced statistical measure (besides ppg), is younger, fits better with this teams makeup, and is cheaper....yes, there's a lot of sense to doing iverson for billups straight up.

mcdyess is just icing on the cake because he fits another need we have (backup big who can rebound and hit a jumpshot)

Why can't we simply convince him to stay until we can trade him again?

we can, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
everyone now knows he doesn't want to play in denver. his trade value is thus very small, and there's only a select group of teams that would be interested in getting him (because there's only a select group of teams he'd want to play for and wouldn't be a whiny ***** on....ie. detroit/boston/lakers).
if we did trade him, we'd have to take 85% of his contract back, and that player wouldn't be very good....so we'd be right up at the luxury tax, but with a player that doesn't offer the impact mcdyess does. thus we'd be better off to buy him out for 3 million a season, and then try to use our TPE on a serious impact player.

also, we don't have to wait to trade him. we can trade him right now for whatever, we just cant package him in a trade.

blue steel · Post #19 » by **blue steel** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 4:45 am

dyess is being bought out. at least that was what was reported right before the game tonight. they said hes probably going back to detroit, i just dont understand why we would do him a favor. **** dyess.

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #20 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 6:44 am

i love my nugz wrote:dyess is being bought out. at least that was what was reported right before the game tonight. they said hes probably going back to detroit, i just dont understand why we would do him a favor. **** dyess.

Most likely it isn't anything to do with doing Dice a favor. I'd imagine the Nuggets agreed to buy him out, so the Pistons would make the trade. That's why (I'm assuming) they included Samb in the deal, who a lot of Pistons fans seem to be high on.