Dealing Chucky

[pickaxe]

Assuming they are going to trade Atkins what are some of our best options? The following trade gives us two players in Jamario Moon and Anthony Parker that had success vs. the Lakers (which we need to be more effective against), and also Jawai, who is a large body to help backup our big men.

edit: any ideas on a three-way trade involving orlando?

Toronto gets Hunter, who might not be ready right away, and Chucky, two veterans that are ready to play and contribute when healthy.

Denver Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +14.9 ppg, +5.3 rpg, and +0.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Nathan Jawai
6-10 C from Australia (Foreign)
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Jamario Moon
6-8 SF from Meridian (CC)
6.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 21.7 minutes
Anthony Parker
6-6 SG / SF from Bradley
10.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 33.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
1.8 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 9.3 minutes
Steven Hunter
7-0 C from DePaul
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Toronto Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -14.9 ppg, -5.3 rpg, and -0.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
1.8 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 9.3 minutes
Steven Hunter
7-0 C from DePaul
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Outgoing Players
Nathan Jawai
6-10 C from Australia (Foreign)
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Jamario Moon
6-8 SF from Meridian (CC)
6.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 21.7 minutes
Anthony Parker
6-6 SG / SF from Bradley
10.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 33.7 minutes

[corona]

here comes raptor board invasion...

and a 5 page thread on the raptors board pointing out how silly you and all nuggets fans are. (thanks dude!)

and there's no way they do that trade.

[RRFB]

Yeah there's no way that trade happens. They won't trade two starters for a big that can't even play and a guard that rarely gets off our bench. I don't think we can expect to get anyone of value for Atkins and/or Hunter without adding in Kleiza and at least one draft pick.

I think the most realistic trade is Chucky to Orlando for their TPE, which would still be pretty damn good.

[pickaxe]

Hunter and Atkins could probably start in that lineup in a pinch, and Hunter could at least be a key reserve.

What ever happened to Juwan Howard? We were going to keep him as one of our reserve bigs.

If we traded Chucky to Orlando for PTE, do we want to resign Howard?

[eathy]

yes... since Weems and Samb are going to the D-League.

rumor mills is going around that Cook (NOO!) and our 1st/Hunter could be involved as well. Though i think Chucky will be traded just for their TPE.

[sportsmikegm23]

Just call us Sell off's R Us... They didn't get *%$# for Camby...they need to get a player back from a deal or keep him until a suitable deal comes. J. Howard is past his prime and won't be great in the 10 or 15 minutes he would get. I know Chucky is not worth much, but the FO should get something that will help. Chucky's semi expiring deal is an asset... let's use what limited about of chips we have to improve not to just sell off.

[DNIsLeGiT]

That's terrible for the raptors man and im a nuggets fan saying this ****. You should put yourself in the raps postion, would you trade those guys for chucky atkins and (steven im thinking of retirement hunter). There's no chance in hell they'll do that trade,

There's a chance a deal is in a making for us to trade atkins to orlando though but i bet we have to through in a first or maybe even lk. If we deal with orlando happens i hope we don't get brain cook because the dude sucks and we don't need him, but if we can get atkins for TPE then that would be really good for us.

[almost famous]

Chucky has very little value.

Hunter has zero.

[pickaxe]

I know. One thing the Raptors are asking for is backcourt help. Just one idea - what are trade ideas are there? Do we really want anyone on the Raptors or Magic enough to give up LK?

Jawai is a big man that would give us more than enough size. If we could trade Chucky straight up that benefits both teams.

[sportsmikegm23]

[quote="almost famous"]Chucky has very little value.

Hunter has zero.[/quote]

Ok Chucky might have little value, but AC isn't that great anyways, so just keep him and maybe if he gets into shape we might have a true back-up PG... I am sick of selling off players for NOTHING. It's not like we get any cap space to go after a free agent in a few years. I understand our owner doesn't wanna pay for crap basketball, but he's got a good team and with a few wise basketball moves, this team could get at least to the Western Conference Finals????? Unless the selloff is going to lead to bigger and better things, keep Chucky, we might need him.

[J Smitty]

Just call us Sell off's R Us... They didn't get *%$# for Camby...they need to get a player back from a deal or keep him until a suitable deal comes. J. Howard is past his prime and won't be great in the 10 or 15 minutes he would get. I know Chucky is not worth much, but the FO should get something that will help. Chucky's semi expiring deal is an asset... let's use what limited about of chips we have to improve not to just sell off.

People who complain about the Camby trade, and would be against dumping Chucky for a TE.....are really failing to see the big picture here. Doing that particular deal would save us 7 million dollars(roughly). Look at it logically....would you sign Chucky to a deal worth 7 mill per year? Hell no. So doing that deal would be unbelievably fantastic.

And if you go deeper, by saving all that money by getting rid of Trashkins....maybe, just maybe, Kroenke gives the guys the green light to go ahead and use our huge TE this summer for a guy would could truly put us over the top.

Basketball is a game, not just on the court, but in the offices. You can never look at a deal by itself, because everything is interconnected. For instance, two years ago we traded our 2nd round draft pick Leon Powe for a future 2nd. That by itself would look like a terrible move right now, considering what Powe has done so far. But in context, you realize that the pick we got in that deal was packed with Howard Eisley's non-guaranteed deal to land us J.R. Smith. Not so bad now, is it? And just how did we end up with an asset such as Eisley's deal? The clever idea to force Eisley's agent to take a 2nd non-guaranteed year if we were going to sign him for the remainder of the previous season. The ****'s chess, it ain't checkers. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice a rook to capture the king.


Oh yeah and... me > Denzel.

[M.Balla]

I dont have a problem with dumping Chuky for nothing. In the salary cap era you have to get rid of bad salaries. And Sucky's a bad one. He doesnt produce on the court, contract it's not big enough to have an impact as an expiring, but with luxury tax is a big hit (7$ million).

In fact, I prefer trading him for nothing than trading him for a player that Karl will overuse... And if we have to throw a 1st to get Cook... That would be UGLY.

And BTW, the Raptors trade is the worst, most lopsided and stupid trade I've seen ever on RealGM. Congratulations. Not even doing it on purpose.

[pickaxe]

Haven't heard any counter-ideas yet though. If there is going to be a trade, what's it going to be?

The original idea is to get us a couple of players who knew what they were doing vs. the Lakers, some size to back up Nene/K-Mart, and send the Raps players they could use right away. Those players would probably have to stay because of their value, but that's not considering the fact that the Raps might involve a third party and bring in replacements.

The deal works money-wise, now who could come from Orlando to replace Parker and Moon?

Actually, the only player we really need out of that trade is Jawai for his size, but it doesn't work straight up.

With Orlando, there are really not any options that would benefit the Nuggets.

Even though the original proposed trade up above is ludicrous, can we agree we might want to deal Chucky (if we are dealing him) for an inexpensive big that will bolster our front court?

If we're not trading him he actually is not playing too bad in his role right now. If we don't need to trade him financially, maybe we shouldn't at all.

[M.Balla]

I've explained to you now. Chucky's value tends to zero, nada, zilch. You just can't get a valuable/proven player better to crack the top 8-10 of our rotation.

[pickaxe]

Right, but we took him on and his value wasn't exactly equal to his salary at that time either. They wanted to make a starting point guard out of him based on how he played against us. We needed help in the backcourt.

Also, we don't need anymore players to crack the top ten. We just need insurance should anything happen down the line. Chucky's our third string right now. JR playing point is still a work in progress.

Anyway, this is based on hearing he could go to Orlando. There is no one on that roster that would work with this team right now.

[J Smitty]

Chucky and a 1st for Joe Smith could work, if you want a contributing player back. But then again, I see that as being counterproductive as we don't accomplish the goal of getting under the luxury tax, and have to give up another asset(because as has been mentioned, Atkins has no value, so you're not going to get a contributing player for him without giving up something more).

If we could make it Atkins/Hunter/1st for Smith/Weaver....then that would be a whole lot better, but I don't know if the Sonics go for that. Both Smith and Atkins are expiring, so that's pretty much a wash.....but would they consider adding Hunter's salary for next year? It may not be a big deal, since it's only 3 million more, and they only have 30 mill in payroll for next year right now. But is all this trouble worth it for just a late first round pick?


If Orlando is willing to take Chucky for their TE, then that is still definitely the first option though....no doubt about it.

[sportsmikegm23]

Just call us Sell off's R Us... They didn't get *%$# for Camby...they need to get a player back from a deal or keep him until a suitable deal comes. J. Howard is past his prime and won't be great in the 10 or 15 minutes he would get. I know Chucky is not worth much, but the FO should get something that will help. Chucky's semi expiring deal is an asset... let's use what limited about of chips we have to improve not to just sell off.

People who complain about the Camby trade, and would be against dumping Chucky for a TE.....are really failing to see the big picture here. Doing that particular deal would save us 7 million dollars(roughly). Look at it logically....would you sign Chucky to a deal worth 7 mill per year? Hell no. So doing that deal would be unbelievably fantastic.

And if you go deeper, by saving all that money by getting rid of Trashkins....maybe, just maybe, Kroenke gives the guys the green light to go ahead and use our huge TE this summer for a guy would could truly put us over the top.

Basketball is a game, not just on the court, but in the offices. You can never look at a deal by itself, because everything is interconnected. For instance, two years ago we traded our 2nd round draft pick Leon Powe for a future 2nd. That by itself would look like a terrible move right now, considering what Powe has done so far. But in context, you realize that the pick we got in that deal was packed with Howard Eisley's non-guaranteed deal to land us J.R. Smith. Not so bad now, is it? And just how did we end up with an asset such as Eisley's deal? The clever idea to force Eisley's agent to take a 2nd non-guaranteed year if we were going to sign him for the remainder of the previous season. The ****'s chess, it ain't checkers. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice a rook to capture the king.

Oh yeah and... me > Denzel.

I will sacrifice a rook to capture a king, but I don't see the Nuggets doing that.... or our owner. Using the Trade Exception next year, but what about this year... what happens if Nene or K-mart get a "freak" injury again...next year? You have them playing excellent this year. AC is not a very good PG, he hasn't played alot of minutes and it's going to tax out Chauncey at some point especially against the Chris Paul's and Tony Parker's of the world. Having to give up a 2nd rounder and Chucky for a Trade Exception from Orlando is not sacrificing a rook to capture a king...it's a sell off plain and simple. We keep selling off players and draft picks and Portland has an endless amount of very good young improving basketball players with many chips to be great for next 3 to 8 years maybe more. The 2nd rounder and Eisley got JR... someone with talent... this trade would net us getting under the luxury tax...and we are only about $800,000 over...so I really don't care about it. You can cover it up however you want to, but this isn't a basketball move it's a money move....just like Camby...at least they have the chance still get something from him.... I think you could move Atkins with Kleiza and get a pretty nice piece back that could help this year and maybe in the future.

[sportsmikegm23]

I don't see why FANS are so worried about the luxury tax??? I can see why the owner is, but FANS???
because next year the owner will spend more...what sense does that make? How does next year make this team better??? Yes, I understand that you have to keep an eye on the future and try to acquire more chips to improve each and every year, but you can't sacrifice the season. If they aren't going to do anything to make this team more competitive...I think they are wasting Chauncey, Melo, K-mart, Nene, and JR this year. As Herm Edwards so righfully emphasized it, "You play to win the game, Hello, you play to win the game!!!" I know Mr. Kroenke is competitive, I know he wants to win...I hope he will make his staff be aggressive and look at winning this year as well as in the future.

[RRFB]

How in the hell does trading Chucky sacrifice the season?

When you're just barely over the tax-line and have the chance to save $7 million without giving up any value, you do it, no questions asked. We aren't going to get anything better for Chucky.

[sportsmikegm23]

He's basically an expiring contract... if you put him with a Kleiza you probably could get something in return, and frankly, AC is terrible as well... so at least when healthy Chucky can shoot. So you save $7 million...damn, when can I get some of that $$$, I didn't know fans could make money off the luxury tax. When you want to sell off piece for nothing..eventually it will get back to your players that ownership would rather save money than competite to WIN. Even if we took back Brian Cook...which would increase our luxury tax....he could play some minutes at the 4 and has an outside shot. Y'all make it seem we are going to win a championship by getting under the luxury tax... Let's Celebrate....WoooooooooooooHooooooooooooo..P.S. he's making almost 3.3 this year and only guaranteed 760,000 for next year... I don't see 7 million?????

Orlando's only going to make the trade if we throw in a pick as well... and the deal to me, is not worth it... I am sure though, the FO will gladly give up a 1st rounder and Atkins for Orlando's TE... I just think it's stupid.