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I have been able to watch Denver a lot lately as I've had some extra time on my hands, and it looks to me like something is wrong in the locker room.

Chauncey has been playing poorly as of late, and he doesn't look all that committed. Mix that with Melo/Karl stuff, and the fact that you have lost 6 of your last 9.

Just looks to me like there is something wrong in the lockerroom. The chemistry just isn't there right now that it looked like you had earlier in the season.

You guys have a really talented team, and finally a real distributor, so it's definitely not a lack of talent issue. I'm thinking something happened in the locker room, or that the players have stopped listening to Karl.

Good luck the rest of the season. Hope this isn't a repeat of all your Fire George Karl threads.

Yeah, its time to fire Karl, i don't care if its late in the season. This team is trying to coach themselves again.

You lose your lead in the division to the new division leaders Utah, then follow that up with a loss to the worst team in the league.

Why is Kleiza getting minutes?

Its time to give Adrian Dantley a shot...for a title of course, i remember the only game he coached was when we beat the Lakers the last time we beat the Lakers, 6 years ago.

This team has had way too much talent, and now we have become selfish stat stuffers again. All we do is ISO and 1v1 play. I can't wait to play the Spurs or the Lakers in the playoffs again.

If the front office wanted to make a change mid season it should definiately be with an assistant coach. I don't see a move during the actual season. I suspect Melo might quietly voice his concerns over the off season. If he has some support from JR Smith that might be enough to get a change this summer (even if they get out of the first round). If they don't get to the Semi Finals I really don't see George Karl coming back.

If a change were to be made over the summer Tim Floyd would be the right guy for the job.

There are a lot of good coaches available right now. You could definitely upgrade from karl.

Karl, Kleiza, Carter and Jones.

that's all i have to say.

It all definitely starts with Karl. we need a coach that's going to be able to control the players a lot better than George Karl can

Karl is too much of a drama guy. He deals with the media too much, he enjoys the spotlight too much, and he's always seemed to be a bit of a baby. Good coaches aren't babies. Good coaches are respected and I don't think there are many people who respect Geroge Karl, in or out of his locker room.

Batronuj wrote:Karl is too much of a drama guy. He deals with the media too much, he enjoys the spotlight too much, and he's always seemed to be a bit of a baby. Good coaches aren't babies. Good coaches are respected and I don't think there are many people who respect Geroge Karl, in or out of his locker room.

you're absolutely correct.
it's baffles me that karl is still the coach of the nuggets.
he can't win in the post season. he can't relate to or get respect from his players - mostly because of the way he treats them, and he can't manage a game to save his life.

you know when george karl is at his best?
when there's a leader on the floor running the point and calling the plays so he doesn't have to.

karl's a show pony, stuck in the past with his 'respect the game' bullsh*t and his "i'm the coach, you'll do what i say, regardless if i'm right or wrong' attitude.

this team would be ALOT better off without him.

i'm dying to hear what the excuse will be this year if we're kicked out in the first round.

I'm not a big fan of rookie coaches... i thought Michael Curry and Porter were decent replacements but look how that has turned out.

Of the coaches available: Jeff Van Gundy, Avery Johnson, Flip Saunders..
3 of them had a thing in common is that their fans wanted them gone.... so take a pick.

Excellent thread Batronuj... you're a real observer.

You hit it on the spot about Chauncey, he really doesn't look committed anymore... anytime you have a player who had been playing with a single purpose every game: to win... for basically his whole life, and then all of sudden he lost it, there's just something wrong with the environment around him.

It takes everyone to commit to winning... it takes a team. Chauncey cannot be the only one committed to winning, and the others are not, and he has to keep reminding them every game that they're playing to win. To do that for a whole season is exhausting. Again, it takes a team. So early in the season, he was brought here to show them what it takes not only to win, but to approach every game with a winning attitude.

But if 60+ games into the season, they haven't changed, then I guess they don't really want to win. I guess, that's what's really changed him. He doesn't care anymore because the others haven't shown genuinely they want to win. It seems like they know when things get tough, Chauncey is there to drag them and bail them out. It's not going to happen.

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Again, trade Carmelo. I know it sounds nuts and he's the team's best player and future. But this is also why we keep wondering for 6 years and counting what bites us in the ass. What's wrong? What's missing. It's the leadership. Chauncey can lead all he wants but the players realize the team's best player and future is Melo... so they all look to him and the way he approaches the game, whether or not they do it consciously or sub-consciously.

Chauncey can direct and show them the ropes all he can but he too realizes the team's real engine starts with Melo... and he has to take initiatives to want responsibilities.

Tell me what franchise player smiles when they're down by 10 pts with a minute to go, in a dogfight for a division lead with two other teams, losing to the worst team in the L. Smiling! I know it's how certain people cope with their troubles... but heck what does it mean to other Nugget players? That "losing this game doesn't hurt... why? Why would we cry about losing a game? Can you remind me how important this game is? Because I've totally forgot."

I can't imagine in the same situation, real franchise players like LeBron, Kobe, or Duncan would smile. Even the funny Shaq in his prime, wouldn't smile... because they know the degree of importance of winning the game. Melo, for some reason, doesn't.

SnakefromHell wrote:Tell me what franchise player smiles when they're down by 10 pts with a minute to go, in a dogfight for a division lead with two other teams, losing to the worst team in the L. Smiling! I know it's how certain people cope with their troubles... but heck what does it mean to other Nugget players? That "losing this game doesn't hurt... why? Why would we cry about losing a game? Can you remind me how important this game is? Because I've totally forgot."

I can't imagine in the same situation, real franchise players like LeBron, Kobe, or Duncan would smile. Even the funny Shaq in his prime, wouldn't smile... because they know the degree of importance of winning the game. Melo, for some reason, doesn't.

Are you really back to bitching about Melo smiling? If you watch his game, Melo smiles when he is frustrated, and has for years, it is better that he smiles, then he punches some of these refs in the face after their no calls.

So we need to trade our franchise player because he was smiling? And he was smiling because he doesn't care about winning or doesn't know how important of a win this is?

That's a lot of conclusions to jump to. Maybe he's smiling because that's all he can do anymore after he gets tackled going to the rim with a no call? Maybe he's smiling because every time he kicks it out to Karl's wonderboy Keiza, he clunks another necessary 3? Maybe hes smiling because the kings were on fire and couldn't miss? Maybe he's smiling because his POS coach has no clue how to coach a team and win games?

There's a reason people like you post on a forum and don't run NBA teams. You don't trade players like melo for reasons that stupid. Questioning how hard he wants to win? Didn't he just suspended for not coming out of a game because he wanted to win it so bad? Or how about in game 3 vs the lakers last year when he yelled at karl "dont just sit there!" while karl just watched us get routed at home. Just because he doesn't make the angry, squinty kobe face and yell at his teammates for not doing good enough doesn't mean that he doesn't want to win. The guy had 32 and 7 and did his best to bring us back. If you want to complain about something, complain about his **** defense to start the game, and the nuggets not playing together at all.

This team seems to be having problems finding a way to work together, while I know many of them are still tired and banged up, the offense looks as bad as it did while AI was here, not something I ever expected to happen when Chauncey arrived.

I think Karl lost several of the players on this team with his suspensions, and throwing Melo under the bus, it is hard to tell exactly who, but it is obvious that many are not doing the things that the offense needs to be successful.

Overall I expected this downfall to occur, we have no real offensive system, and have not for the last 2 1/2 years. Although I must say that to have a proper screen and roll offensive system you need bigs who set proper screens and can hit jumpshots, something we do not have without KMart. Honestly with Melo, JR, and Nene's ball handling and passing ability, I wish this team would have installed a true motion offense, like they tried the year we got AI, that offense would work best with our personnel, but I don't think Karl has the knowledge to actually run it.

Not having Kmart I feel is a pretty big deal, as crazy as it would have sounded a couple of years ago, I think he is truly our on court leader, and gets everybody going, without him this team looks somewhat flat.

Another problem is Karl's refusal to play most of our bench, playing guys like Balkman and Petro during the last couple of months would have helped this team long term, but nobody looks healthy or full of energy right now.

Overall this team still has the same problem they always have, they have nobody outside of Melo, JR, and one other player who are even decent at creating their own offense, and even worse those three are the only somewhat dependable shooters. This team does not have problems with their top talent, as always they have problems with not having any kind of depth, and no real contributors on the offensive end outside of their top guys. And a coach that has no idea of a way to overcome the lack of offensive players that we have on this team.

Jeff Van Gundy was in a tough spot, there have always been championship expectations since McGrady and Yao were matched. He's a good defensive coach, I think he might fit in well with Denver.

blue steel wrote:So we need to trade our franchise player because he was smiling? And he was smiling because he doesn't care about winning or doesn't know how important of a win this is?

Haven't met Snake before? He hates Melo and thinks he can read Melo's mind. Its pretty sad.

I'm with Rebel on this (and others). Karl is the problem. Snake wants to whine about Melo not being a leader and all the problems have been his fault, screw the fact Melo has carried this team to the playoffs every year he has been here, but the real leadership problem is at the coaching position. Karl is no leader. Does not act like a leader. Does not treat his places fairly or equally. Will not have his players' back. And he should have been fired this off season.

He lost the team last year, and this was bound to happen this year. Billlups was able to hold thing together for about half the season, but without a coach or any system on offense.. this could only be delayed, not stopped.

I think AD should be made intern coach. Give him a chance. Could also get the team playing better, being out from under Karl.

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
I think AD should be made intern coach. Give him a chance. Could also get the team playing better, being out from under Karl.

I think AD would be a good interim coach. Just something different, we need something to happen at before we are a 7 or 8 seed or miss the playoffs. Getting rid of Karl would be a great spark for everyone, I dont know if AD is who we want for the long run, but I would be more than happy having him finish the year for us and see how we do in the playoffs. With Karl, we are just going to stumble in again and be disappointed unless the players suddenly fix the team themselves.

I remember when AD coached the team against the lakers when Karl was out; it was one of my favorite games of the season, it was nice seeing a coach that give a ****.

Batronuj wrote:I have been able to watch Denver a lot lately as I've had some extra time on my hands, and it looks to me like something is wrong in the locker room.

Chauncey has been playing poorly as of late, and he doesn't look all that committed. Mix that with Melo/Karl stuff, and the fact that you have lost 6 of your last 9.

Just looks to me like there is something wrong in the lockerroom. The chemistry just isn't there right now that it looked like you had earlier in the season.

You guys have a really talented team, and finally a real distributor, so it's definitely not a lack of talent issue. I'm thinking something happened in the locker room, or that the players have stopped listening to Karl.

Good luck the rest of the season. Hope this isn't a repeat of all your Fire George Karl threads.

Didn't Utah have some problems early in the season with injuries? Over that stretch of our last 9 games we have had one starter or another out of the rotation and a bench guy here and there out of action. We have been playing like crap lately, but I think a lot of it can be credited to having a different lineup on the floor every night. We really miss the little things that Kmart does in a game.

I don't even want to start on Karl because I think he should have been replaced after last seasons collapse.

I agree, we also been without two good defenders and a few more injuries

But before the break things was running smoothly. I think the Melo situation caused a crack, and nitpicking who to play and who not to play. That doesn't sit well with players

Nah, we just need AC back.

For me...

Melo is imature, ballhog and locker room killer...

Nene wants a bigger role and he´s not getting, im sure he´s upset with something.

I dont know about Chauncey and the others...