Not shopping at Wal-mart

sportsmikegm23 · Post #1 » by **sportsmikegm23** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:30 am

Until Kroenke get his head out of the sand (I wanted to use other language) I am giving him another dime of my money... for the Nuggets or especially going and shopping at Wal-mart... damn cheapstake.... he's making the Memphis Grizzlies look like they have real ownership. Actually, I will promise to only shop at Wal-mart if he getting off his damn wallet and fork over some cash to compete for a championship. You got lucky last year... Chauncey fell from the sky... so did Birdman... now other teams are more talented... we didn't have as many injuries...other teams did... go out use that clout we had by getting to the WCF and quit being so damn cheap... I think he would bend over and pick up a penny I dropped and keep it... damn cheapskate.

Embarrassing

eathy · Post #2 » by **eathy** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:34 am

U do realise that the FO likes to work in silent without the rumor mill?

And honestly, the only move we can make is to use the TE... and no god damn team wants the TE right now.

sportsmikegm23 · Post #3 » by **sportsmikegm23** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:52 am

eathy wrote:U do realise that the FO likes to work in silent without the rumor mill?

And honestly, the only move we can make is to use the TE... and no god damn team wants the TE right now.

Rumor Mill??? July 8th is signing day... don't have to be a rumor. and the only reason no one has bit on the TE is because it hasn't been offered. You bet you could get David Lee...if you wanted him... if you take back Jared Jefferies contract as well. Dallas can find a way to get Marion (I didn't care for him, but they found a way) are you really going to tell me that the Nuggets FO can't find a taker for the TPE for someone that could help the team this year??? I don't believe you one bit

eathy · Post #4 » by **eathy** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:00 am

No, no one wants the TE.

trust me, the TE will be used when the trade deadline comes when teams/GMs realise that the team they've set up has become fail.

Post #5 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:20 am

All this over **** McDyess and his buyout 6 months ago. The Nuggets have their guys targeted and I am sure they will get what we need, but we were never going to be in the market the 1st week or two fo free agency. To much money and too many people getting overpaid. Let teams like Indy pay jones $11 million, and Dallas give Kidd and Marion $8 million per year a piece, not to mention a guy who was put up 4 and 4 the whole entire MLE like they did with Gortat.

Do you honestly think David Lee is going to sign for less the $10 million per year when those contracts are still being handed out? Give everything time, it will all work out.

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #6 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 4:56 am

sportsmikegm23 wrote:Until Kroenke get his head out of the sand (I wanted to use other language) I am giving him another dime of my money...

Considering his wife is the one whose the heir to Wal-mart, you wouldn't be giving him anything if you shopped there.

DaFan334 · Post #7 » by **DaFan334** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 5:07 am

sportsmikegm23 wrote:
eathy wrote:U do realise that the FO likes to work in silent without the rumor mill?

And honestly, the only move we can make is to use the TE... and no god damn team wants the TE right now.

Rumor Mill??? July 8th is signing day... don't have to be a rumor. and the only reason no one has bit on the TE is because it hasn't been offered. You bet you could get David Lee...if you wanted him... if you take back Jared Jefferies contract as well. Dallas can find a way to get Marion (I didn't care for him, but they found a way) are you really going to tell me that the Nuggets FO can't find a taker for the TPE for someone that could help the team this year??? I don't believe you one bit

You clearly don't understand the salary cap do you. David Lee wants more money than it is worth, therefore we cant trade for him, even if we add more salary in jared jefferies because it would go even further over the cap.

Oh and what are the Grizzlies doing that you seem to like so much? Bringing in Allen Iverson? really? or do you want Stackhouse?

SnakefromHell · Post #8 » by **SnakefromHell** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 5:13 am

Anderson Varejao and Bargnani getting paid $50 mil each, more and more of these contracts make me feel bad for Birdman. I hope he's happy with what he gets.

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #9 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 5:24 am

You feel bad for a guy getting paid 20+ million? I feel bad for the families who don't have a home and can't feed their children. If only we all could have Birdman's problem.

sportsmikegm23 · Post #10 » by **sportsmikegm23** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:15 pm

Sorry for the frustration... it was a bad day, and I was upset at other things and just was angry...

But I am frustrated by the inactivity... Channing Frye or someone like that doesn't trump a McDyess or RJ.

Yes, you all are right that sometimes patience is a good thing, and I hope that is the case...however, we won't have the TPE at the trading deadline it will expire Nov 4th..or about that time. Listen, I know you can't guarantee a championship, but it just seems very odd the Nuggets are seemingly doing very little...

As far as Lee, I don't really want him for the salary of $10 million, and frankly, if anyone does pay that, he's getting grossly overpaid... he's very similar to Birdman..just more rebounds and less blocks. That was an example that I was using...again, Okafor is probably #1 on my wish list, I know that is a dream, but that would be my target...Murphy would be #2 probably... other's to think about Biedrins, Tyrus Thomas, Scola, Pryzbilla, Dalembert, Brad Miller, Jeff Foster, and Tyson Chandler...as far as the bigs... haven't thought too much about wing players lately

sportsmikegm23 · Post #11 » by **sportsmikegm23** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 2:20 pm

DaFan334 wrote:
sportsmikegm23 wrote:
eathy wrote:U do realise that the FO likes to work in silent without the rumor mill?

And honestly, the only move we can make is to use the TE... and no god damn team wants the TE right now.

Rumor Mill??? July 8th is signing day... don't have to be a rumor. and the only reason no one has bit on the TE is because it hasn't been offered. You bet you could get David Lee...if you wanted him... if you take back Jared Jefferies contract as well. Dallas can find a way to get Marion (I didn't care for him, but they found a way) are you really going to tell me that the Nuggets FO can't find a taker for the TPE for someone that could help the team this year??? I don't believe you one bit

You clearly don't understand the salary cap do you. David Lee wants more money than it is worth, therefore we cant trade for him, even if we add more salary in jared jefferies because it would go even further over the cap.

Oh and what are the Grizzlies doing that you seem to like so much? Bringing in Allen Iverson? really? or do you want Stackhouse?

I understand the cap....Lee hasn't gotten an offer...and if the Nuggets made him a $9.78 million 1st year offer... his agent would be jumping for joy... yes, I also understand that as well...and next year you would have K-mart and Jefferies as expiring contracts... about $23 million. If it helps win a championship, when you are so close, why wouldn't you do that??? It's not like he doesn't have the $$$...tell Kroenke to sell some of FC Arsenal or whatever soccer team he owns.

The Grizzlies are being active and spending some money... taking on a huge risk...I don't like Randolph, but for an owner to go get him when he's been in savings mode and hoping to improve his team is impressive...

Post #12 » by **el loco** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:39 pm

The Rebel wrote:All this over **** McDyess and his buyout 6 months ago. The Nuggets have their guys targeted and I am sure they will get what we need, but we were never going to be in the market the 1st week or two fo free agency. To much money and too many people getting overpaid. Let teams like Indy pay jones $11 million, and Dallas give Kidd and Marion $8 million per year a piece, not to mention a guy who was put up 4 and 4 the whole entire MLE like they did with Gortat.

Do you honestly think David Lee is going to sign for less the $10 million per year when those contracts are still being handed out? Give everything time, it will all work out.

I would like to know that we are at least in the mix for a big deal. Hell, it wouldn't even have to come true, just throw some excitement to the fans during the off season. That being said, Denver has been improving since the season ended.

Entering the off season the areas that needed improving were: improved backup pg, they addressed this need through the draft of all places :lol:

Next they needed to resign the Birdman and add another piece for depth, maybe Hunter can be that piece (I hope not), but maybe he can play, it is a contract year for him :rofl:

But half of this has already been addressed with the signing of Andersen. Lastly, they needed to upgrade 3pt shooting to help spread the floor, they got rid of one of the cogs that wouldn't take the shot. Now they just need to find a replacement or two for the role.

The Kleiza situation has become a bit comical to me. The Nuggets have had several good trade offers involving Kleiza over the years, but never pulled the trigger on a move because of his character. Now when the Nuggets want a team to try to sign him, so they can work out a S&T nobody wants him. Ain't Karma a bitch?

MidMountain · Post #13 » by **MidMountain** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:43 pm

el loco wrote:The Kleiza situation has become a bit comical to me. The Nuggets have had several good trade offers involving Kleiza over the years, but never pulled the trigger on a move because of his character. Now when the Nuggets want a team to try to sign him, so they can work out a S&T nobody wants him. Ain't Karma a bitch?

Kleiza on a rookie contract is desirable. Kleiza at the MLE... not so much.

MidMountain · Post #14 » by **MidMountain** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:47 pm

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:Considering his wife is the one whose the heir to Wal-mart, you wouldn't be giving him anything if you shopped there.

Kroenke's development agency has the inside track on building and operating the strip malls that Wal-mart anchors. He benefits from Wal-mart's success.

Post #15 » by **el loco** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 3:48 pm

MidMountain wrote:
el loco wrote:The Kleiza situation has become a bit comical to me. The Nuggets have had several good trade offers involving Kleiza over the years, but never pulled the trigger on a move because of his character. Now when the Nuggets want a team to try to sign him, so they can work out a S&T nobody wants him. Ain't Karma a bitch?

Kleiza on a rookie contract is desirable. Kleiza at the MLE... not so much.

2.7 is less than half of the MLE. A deal like Dahntay just got with a player option at the end of year 2 or 3 would get LK signed IMO, and teams are still staying away from him.

Post #16 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 5:47 pm

el loco wrote:
MidMountain wrote:
el loco wrote:The Kleiza situation has become a bit comical to me. The Nuggets have had several good trade offers involving Kleiza over the years, but never pulled the trigger on a move because of his character. Now when the Nuggets want a team to try to sign him, so they can work out a S&T nobody wants him. Ain't Karma a bitch?

Kleiza on a rookie contract is desirable. Kleiza at the MLE... not so much.

2.7 is less than half of the MLE. A deal like Dahntay just got with a player option at the end of year 2 or 3 would get LK signed IMO, and teams are still staying away from him.

Denver has the option to match, and I am sure the nuggets would match a deal like Dahntay's for Kleiza.

I am sure Denver has put out the word that they will match low ball offers to KLeiza, and teams are looking at having to do a sign and trade with Denver. Which always take more time in free agency.

Post #17 » by **el loco** » Thu Jul 9, 2009 5:51 pm

Yeah, it is looking more and more like LK will be back to me.

old rem · Post #18 » by **old rem** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:32 pm

sportsmikegm23 wrote:Sorry for the frustration... it was a bad day, and I was upset at other things and just was angry...

But I am frustrated by the inactivity... Channing Frye or someone like that doesn't trump a McDyess or RJ.

Yes, you all are right that sometimes patience is a good thing, and I hope that is the case...however, we won't have the TPE at the trading deadline it will expire Nov 4th..or about that time. Listen, I know you can't guarantee a championship, but it just seems very odd the Nuggets are seemingly doing very little...

As far as Lee, I don't really want him for the salary of $10 million, and frankly, if anyone does pay that, he's getting grossly overpaid... he's very similar to Birdman..just more rebounds and less blocks. That was an example that I was using...again, Okafor is probably #1 on my wish list, I know that is a dream, but that would be my target...Murphy would be #2 probably... other's to think about Biedrins, Tyrus Thomas, Scola, Pryzbilla, Dalembert, Brad Miller, Jeff Foster, and Tyson Chandler...as far as the bigs... haven't thought too much about wing players lately

You do know a TPE has to be bigger than the salary you get...not "almost" and you can't GET most of the guys on your wish list ....for ZERO. Lee being EXPIRED.....an S+T/TPE makes little sense aside from allowing the Knicks to again spiral up their payroll.

Post #19 » by **The Rebel** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:54 pm

sportsmikegm23 wrote:Until Kroenke get his head out of the sand (I wanted to use other language) I am giving him another dime of my money... for the Nuggets or especially going and shopping at Wal-mart... damn cheapstake.... he's making the Memphis Grizzlies look like they have real ownership. Actually, I will promise to only shop at Wal-mart if he getting off his damn wallet and fork over some cash to compete for a championship. You got lucky last year... Chauncey fell from the sky... so did Birdman... now other teams are more talented... we didn't have as many injuries...other teams did... go out use that clout we had by getting to the WCF and quit being so damn cheap... I think he would bend over and pick up a penny I dropped and keep it... damn cheapskate.

Embarrassing

So does the Nuggets now adding in Afflalo help you relax or is it more the name of the uy you are concerned about?

While I know you think Chauncey and Andersen fell out of the sky, the truth is that we had them targeted for a long time before we got them. It just finally happened last year. For the 1st time in 25 years we seem to have a front office that is good at finding players that come out of nowhere to help the team, who cares what they cost.

Overall the Nuggets have just under $60 million tied up in their top 5 players, and $64 million the following year. That is right in line with all of the top teams, even the teams with the $20 million + superstars, even after their spending spree this year. I think it is a little unreasonable to expect them to add more high dollar guys, especially if they can continue to find deals like a minimum contract for Bird last year, a minimum contract for Carter the last two years, Jones for the minimum last year, and this new deal for Afflalo. Let them get their cheap players and let's see where we stand in Nov or Dec.

J Smitty · Post #20 » by **J Smitty** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:33 pm

I'm sure we would all love to see the TPE used to get us a big name player for nothing, that's a given. But to actually be pissed off that it isn't, especially two weeks into the **** summer? Seriously? That's (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

And the thing I love most about fans who bitch about their team not doing this and that, is that they never actually mention any scenarios that their team could've done. They're pissed because they aren't spending money, but have no idea where they want their team to spend money.

The fact is, the Nuggets don't have cap space. They don't have a lot of options. They already had to use most of their MLE to resign Bird, so it's not like they can really just go get anybody they want with the little money they have left to spend. You mention not using the TPE....but who exactly could we get for it? And do you also realize you can't exactly just offer the TPE for a player, and he's automatically yours. The other team kind of has to agree as well. And when you're talking about a pure salary dump, not all teams are going to be open to doing that.

So I ask you, if you're so pissed about the Nuggets not doing anything.....why don't you actually offer some logical possibilities. I'm pretty confident that when you really start to think about it, you'll realize there really aren't too many viable options out there. And at the same time, think about all the 'great' free agents out there that you'd like us to sign, and think about who of those guys you actually believe would sign for 2 mill or less. Because honestly, our FO has done an amazing job so far with what we have had to work with, and they're not done yet.