Nuggets trade for James White

DaFan334 · Post #1 » by **DaFan334** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:50 pm

The Nuggets acquired swingman James White from the Houston Rockets in exchange for the draft rights to forward Axel Hervelle, a 2005 pick who has yet to play in the NBA.

anybody know exactly what he brings to the table and if this means no wally?

Guy986 · Post #2 » by **Guy986** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:51 am

James White scouting report:

Pros:
Freakish Athleticism
Appears to have an ok jumper from mid range
Good size for SF
No apparent attitude problem

Cons:
Can't dribble the basketball
3 point range?
low BBall IQ
poor fundamental on Defense
Lacks scorers mentality

Basically he's just a dunker at the moment.

pickIBL · Post #3 » by **pickIBL** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:52 am

I dont think Hervelle was in the long term plans of the Nuggets. With Kleiza and Jones gone the Nuggets want to make sure they have a bench I would assume. White is going to make around 850k (he's cheap).

I would think this means the Nuggets plan to go with Flip Murray and White and may pass on Wally. But I don't think this rules out the Nuggets inking both Flip and Wally.

At this point the top priority should actually be Flip. I watched him last year with the Hawks and he gave them 25 minutes a night (his shooting percentages... especially from behind the 3 point line might surprise most).

To add to the post above he's more than a dunker skillwise. But he's had the rep for disappearing in games. His skills fit the Nuggets.

mnWI · Post #4 » by **mnWI** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:47 am

Guy986 wrote:James White scouting report:

Pros:
Freakish Athleticism
Appears to have an ok jumper from mid range
Good size for SF
No apparent attitude problem

Cons:
Can't dribble the basketball
3 point range?
low BBall IQ
poor fundamental on Defense
Lacks scorers mentality

Basically he's just a dunker at the moment.

I've coached James before, and I'd disagree with your cons. His handle certainly isn't anything to write home about, but it's acceptable, especially considering his explosive first step. One of the things we worked with him on was better picking his gaps to drive. When he's picking the right spots, he gets to the line like crazy. Nothing wrong with the range on his jumper either. His shot will ocasionally falter, but he was never cold for more than a half. He's a surprisingly efficient player given his ability to shoot, finish and drive.

His defense is where you're right on. I wouldn't even say his technique is bad, but it's just never really been a focus for him. If you stay on top of him, you can get him to be at least acceptable defensively.

The reason James hasn't been in the NBA is because he gets the reputation for being a little crazy, which comes from his body language and poor reactions to bad calls. He's a good guy and a very professional person, but needs to control his emotions better.

Nothing wrong with his basketball IQ either. His year playing in Turkey really helped him become a more cerebral player, but he actually picked up the point guard duties one year at Cincinnati and did a solid job. He'll make a couple bad decisions, but does a solid job of dumping the ball to the weak side big, and will kick it out if his drive is stalled.

Last season in the D-League he shot a very solid 54% from the field and 37% from the three point line, and 85% from the free throw line. He got to the free throw line over 8 times a game, and only took 15 shots to get his 26 ppg.

He's a world class athlete and great fit for the Nuggets system. He's an NBA level player for sure, and I wish him the best, because he deserves to stick somewhere.

Powder Blue · Post #5 » by **Powder Blue** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:52 am

I've been checking daily to see if we'd signed Wally or Flip yet and low and behold we fill our 13th spot with some D-Leaguer. Hopefully we still sign Flip, Can't rely on a D-Leaguer for bench points.

J Smitty · Post #6 » by **J Smitty** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:25 am

Flip Murray is a D-Leaguer. He blows.

Post #7 » by **The J Rocka** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:44 am

He has some of the best hops ive ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9vO8o-zL_Q

Powder Blue · Post #8 » by **Powder Blue** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:45 am

J Smitty wrote:Flip Murray is a D-Leaguer. He blows.

League minimum won't net us the 6th man of the year.

J Smitty · Post #9 » by **J Smitty** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:57 am

Um...ok. What's your point?

Murray sucks, White sucks. Anyone who we could have signed sucks. I'll take White at 800k over Murray at 1.8 million or whatever it is he wants. Hell, I'd take White over Flip even at equal money...as at least he isn't a chucking cancer with his head up his ass.

mnWI · Post #10 » by **mnWI** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:58 am

Powder Blue wrote:
J Smitty wrote:Flip Murray is a D-Leaguer. He blows.

League minimum won't net us the 6th man of the year.

It can net you a former D-League who is a solid scorer, ala Von Wafer. Or a player like Dahntay Jones (another D-Leaguer).

Powder Blue · Post #11 » by **Powder Blue** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:21 am

I'm not saying Flip is our answer, was surprised the Nugs are after him but who's gonna score off the bench if JR starts? Maybe Ty Lawson but we don't know how much GK will play him. I believe Wally is what we should get based on what's available but we just traded for a SF. If we don't have any bench scoring the starters won't get any rest.

SnakefromHell · Post #12 » by **SnakefromHell** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:08 am

He's basically another Sonny Weems then... why chug one and get another?

JRMelo15 · Post #13 » by **JRMelo15** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:13 am

SnakefromHell wrote:He's basically another Sonny Weems then... why chug one and get another?

Because Sonny thought he will be a big part of the team?

Well, at least we're set at 13 players now, he's just a bench warmer, nothing big.

Post #14 » by **The Rebel** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:26 am

White is not on a guaranteed deal? As for the differences between him and Weems, White was the top scorer in the d-league and showed much better all around game then Weems showed. If anything this is like a training camp invite with a contract in place if we decide to keep him. If not it cost us nothing as Hervelle has been a disappointment in Europe.

tisbee · Post #15 » by **tisbee** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:39 am

While w/the Rockets White worked really hard,was coachable and they got him playing D to the point the organization was complimentary of him for his D. Tremendous finisher on the break,but struggled in Hou w/his shot. In Summer League(yeah,it was SL)he really had a hard time making shots but as mnWI noted,he got to the line quite a bit and knocked down his FTs.

As an energy guy off bench,he should be fine,just don't expect consistant scoring for a while.

In Houston he was not going to get minutes and they need the roster space. Wonder if Rockets threw in cash?

Post #16 » by **MHZ** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:49 am

Pretty random.

Searching4BrianWilliams · Post #17 » by **Searching4BrianWilliams** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:37 pm

I think this move just puts some heat on Flip to sign here.

Post #18 » by **MHZ** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:28 pm

Am I the only one who would rather have Wally than Flip?

J Smitty · Post #19 » by **J Smitty** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:50 pm

MHZ wrote:Am I the only one who would rather have Wally than Flip?

I'd rather have Mark Pope than Flip....so yeah, Wally would be sufficient.

dis4ryan · Post #20 » by **dis4ryan** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:07 pm

Sheeit. We got rid of the only white guy who kould possibly be on our team fo' James Blood White. He kan dunk from the freethrow line while stabbing someone. The Thuggets are skarier than ever.