Stephen Jackson?

[Powder Blue]

So the wiretap has a story that has Denver as a potential landing spot for Jackson. Then I read the article where they derived their info from.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... -explained


They pulled the info from the Denver Post story about how Wark isn't afraid to pull off another big trade if the team gets stuck. Wark never said anything about S-Jax and i'm not sure thats the big trade he'd have in mind.

[pickIBL]

This isn't going to go over well, but I'll say (well write) it. I'd rather have Corey Maggette. Recently Corey Maggette kinda got the label that he's just stuffing stats... but I've always been on his bandwagon. He's led the league in free throw attempts before. I'd rather have him guarding wings than Jackson. Overall I just like him better... I think he's the better talent... and he's slightly younger. Maggette is a nice rebounder for his position and I think he'll bring more toughness than Jackson.

The kicker is Maggette's outside shooting because ideally I'd like a quality floor spacer. Jackson might actually be a little too in love with the three pointer. He took over 500 3s in 07-08 and he made just under 34% of them last year. Jackson might come in and jack a bunch of threes and take some bad shots. Maggette has been all over the board on his 3 point shooting, but in 07-08 he took 203 3s and made 38.4% of them. I contend on a talented team like the Nuggets with a lot of weapons Maggette's three point shooting will rise back up. I would trust his shot selection better. I think he'd take them when he was open... but he wouldn't force them or jack them up like Jackson might. I'm sure I must be in the minority. But overall I'd rather have Maggette.

Just for fun lets get a little wacky... this would have to be done after Dec. 15.

Denver Sends out KMart, Balkman, Malik Allen, Graham, and future first
Denver Gets Hinrich Ilgauskas
Chicago Sends out Hinrich, Jerome James
Chicago Gets Kenyon Martin
Cleveland Sends Out Ilgauskas
Cleveland Gets James, Balkman, Allen, Graham, Future First

New Roster
5-Ilgauskas
4-Nene
3-Melo
2-Maggette
1-Billups

Reserves: JR Smith, Hinrich, Chris Andersen, Afflalo, Melvin Ely (signed), Lawson, Carter, Petro, White (brought back) or Szczerbiak (figures out he isn't worth much)

The Nuggets would need to add at PF (ELY). The rotation would have to be ironed. Out Hinrich could play some with billups as well as backup the PG. That would limit the role of either Lawson or Carter (probably carter). Nene gets to slide to the 4 spot. The Cavs do this because they don't need Z and they could use Balkman and the pick. Chicago does this mostly for cap reasons.

[bay2hk]

Maggette can't play good d. Maggette's most efficient as a scorer off the bench. Jackson is versatile and he is a very good defender. Jackson is probably golden state's best wing defender. I think denver would be a lot better if they had jackson starting at sg and jr off the bench.

Buildup
Jackson
Carmelo
Martin
Nene

This lineup would certainly give the lakers a lot of problems.

[J Smitty]

So the wiretap has a story that has Denver as a potential landing spot for Jackson. Then I read the article where they derived their info from.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... -explained


They pulled the info from the Denver Post story about how Wark isn't afraid to pull off another big trade if the team gets stuck. Wark never said anything about S-Jax and i'm not sure thats the big trade he'd have in mind.

Not surprising. Aren't there some kind of laws to prevent false reporting/advertising/etc? Because if so, I'm pretty sure realgm breaks them quite frequently with how they twist quotes and stories around to make it sound like something else. They do it all the **** time.

[el loco]

So the wiretap has a story that has Denver as a potential landing spot for Jackson. Then I read the article where they derived their info from.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... -explained


They pulled the info from the Denver Post story about how Wark isn't afraid to pull off another big trade if the team gets stuck. Wark never said anything about S-Jax and i'm not sure thats the big trade he'd have in mind.

Not surprising. Aren't there some kind of laws to prevent false reporting/advertising/etc? Because if so, I'm pretty sure realgm breaks them quite frequently with how they twist quotes and stories around to make it sound like something else. They do it all the **** time.

Enquiring minds want to know

[Hassassin]

Not surprising. Aren't there some kind of laws to prevent false reporting/advertising/etc? Because if so, I'm pretty sure realgm breaks them quite frequently with how they twist quotes and stories around to make it sound like something else. They do it all the **** time.

The headline definitely needs to be changed but the ESPN article does state that Denver has interest in Stack Jack

Down the road? Cleveland and Denver, sources say, remain the two teams out there with the most certifiable interest in dealing for Jackson.

[eathy]

Jackson is an awful fit to this team.

And we're so close to getting rid of KMart's contract... I doubt the FO wants another one of the worst contracts in the league.

I'd rather use the TE on Raja Bell, or offer LK's rights + Balkman for Shane Battier.

[el loco]

Jackson is an awful fit to this team.

And we're so close to getting rid of KMart's contract... I doubt the FO wants another one of the worst contracts in the league.

I'd rather use the TE on Raja Bell, or offer LK's rights + Balkman for Shane Battier.

Isn't Raja out for a significant amount of time with an injury? I think I read where Augustine will be asked to play a lot of Bell's minutes early in the year.

[eathy]

I'm just saying.

And I just realized that the AI TE is 200k short from SJax's contract, so the only deal that could happen would involve a bunch of players.

[It_Was_Typed]

I think Azubuike would be a better fit for the team than Jackson and Maggete.

[KAVK]

Our close chance rides with the CB. We better put our hands on S Jack. If we get him this gonna be one INTERESTING season for us and others that don't give the credit Nuggets deserves.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

I think Azubuike would be a better fit for the team than Jackson and Maggete.

I've wanted him on the team for a while now. The great Nuggets FO actually cut Azubuike too.

[Hassassin]

I'm just saying.

And I just realized that the AI TE is 200k short from SJax's contract, so the only deal that could happen would involve a bunch of players.

The deal can still work with the TE involved however a 3rd team needs to be added. It would need to be separated into 2 deals and 1st part of the deal looks like this:

Denver incoming:
Player A that the Warriors want whose salary is alteast ~6.1M so that he can be traded again for Jackson.

Denver outgoing:
TE

2nd part of the deal would be like this:

Denver outgoing:
Player A received with the TE

Denver incoming:
Stephen Jackson

[J Smitty]

I didn't think a player could be traded back to the same team for awhile after he was originally traded, to prevent stuff just like that.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

I didn't think a player could be traded back to the same team for awhile after he was originally traded, to prevent stuff just like that.

Think you misread what he said.

Nuggets trade TE for Player A from team B.

Nuggets trade Player A to Warriors for Jackson.

Player A would just need to be someone the Warriors want for Jackson and fit under the TE and be in range of Jackson's contract.

[J Smitty]

You're right.

Then again, in that scenario, I have a hard time imagining a third team wanting to dump a player for the TPE...unless of course it's a guy like Q-Rich or Mark Blount. And if it were anyone worthwhile(ie not Richardson or Blount), then why wouldn't we just keep him ourselves instead of a cancer with a terrible contract like Jackson?

Now if we really did want Jackson, and the Warriors really did want nothing more than to dump him for a **** expiring....then I could see the above working.

[Hassassin]

I didn't think a player could be traded back to the same team for awhile after he was originally traded, to prevent stuff just like that.

Think you misread what he said.

Nuggets trade TE for Player A from team B.

Nuggets trade Player A to Warriors for Jackson.

Player A would just need to be someone the Warriors want for Jackson and fit under the TE and be in range of Jackson's contract.

Thanks

You're right.

Then again, in that scenario, I have a hard time imagining a third team wanting to dump a player for the TPE...unless of course it's a guy like Q-Rich or Mark Blount. And if it were anyone worthwhile(ie not Richardson or Blount), then why wouldn't we just keep him ourselves instead of a cancer with a terrible contract like Jackson?

Now if we really did want Jackson, and the Warriors really did want nothing more than to dump him for a **** expiring....then I could see the above working.

I think a team like Miami that is looking to save money might consider trading Q-Rich for the TPE and waive the TPE. I think at this point the Warriors would just be happy with an expiring contract. If you look at the 2 deals they did this summer, they didn't get much talent in return for their players. They basically dumped their more talented players for shorter contracts.

[Hassassin]

There has been some buzz around the NBA that Denver is interested in Golden State's Stephen Jackson, but an NBA source said there haven't been any significant conversations about acquiring the forward.

Even if Denver wanted him, he would be difficult to acquire. The trade exception is now at $7.4 million, which is less than Jackson's $7.6 contract, so Denver couldn't use the exception to get Jackson.

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[eathy]

Yep like I said, it's doubtful Jackson will be heading to Denver, taking bad contracts and bad fits into account.

Hochman
Stephen Jackson is a spectacular basketball player with a spectacularly explosive personality – one I don’t think will end up in powder blue. Crazier things have happened. But the Nuggets have worked especially hard at putting together a group of guys who have as much character as talent. Just look at the newcomers – Arron Afflalo, Ty Lawson and Joey Graham and Malik Allen. Each guy is a great guy, as well as a guy who can help make this team better (the Nuggets feel).

As for the Warriors’ Jackson, even if Denver wanted him, he would be difficult to acquire. The trade exception that expires on Nov. 3 is now at $7.4 million, which is less than Jackson’s $7.6 contract, so Denver couldn’t use the exception to get Jackson, even if they yearned for him (you cannot bundle the exception and a player). Thus, the Nuggets would have to trade player(s) to Golden State to match Jackson’s salary – who would they trade? (Also, after this season, Jackson will make roughly $27 million in the next three seasons. That’s a lot of cash for a guy who turns 32 this season).

There are much better players to use the TE on... Jeff Foster is one of them.

[floppymoose]

You don't get player like Foster for a TE unless the other team is desperate to shed salary, which the Pacers aren't. Unless you are sending a pick with the TE, you have a choice of two kinds of players: short contract players who no one wants, and for good reason; or longer contract players who can provide value now but will be a cap drain later. Jackson is the latter.

Historically, some teams are willing to take on a player a player like that (one with negative overall value) in order to capture the positive short term value they have. It remains to be seen if anyone will do that with Jackson this year, especially with the nba feeling uncertain about it's financial prospects.