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Is there any possibilities that we land one of these two dominate players? Maybe a move involving Nene or Kmart with Jr Smith and a filler....Let me know what you think!

I'm sure a package of Nene and JR could land you either of those two, but I don't really see why the Nuggets would do it. We need another bigman, not just replace one for another. Plus we would have a glarring hole at SG that wouldn't be easy to fill. I know JR has not been great this year, but I think he is going to be huge for us down the strech and into the post season. I'm not against trading him, but I probably wouldn't trade him unless we got a replacement back (someone who can handle the ball and shoot the three).

In your scenario, I would prefer Al over Bosh, as he would at least fill the hole that Nene would leave as our only back to the basket big man, plus he is signed long term. But I tend to think Al is a bit over rated. His stats look great, but he is not a good defender, and has never been on a winning team. The Shareef sydrome if you will, good player on a bad team doesn't mean he will be a good player on a good team. Plus, he has some injury concerns that would make me even more hesitant to trade for him.

I doubt K-Mart and JR would land you either of those players.

I understand the sources, but Jeff foster isn't our answer to our problems....If we cud nab either of bosh or jefferson a SG is easier to come by then a main named BIG. IMO

It'd be nice, but it's not going to happen if they're asking too much. If we have to give up Nene+JR+Lawson....that would be a terrible deal for us. And at the same time, it kind of defeats the purpose of adding an additional big man.

Keep Lawson but a trade for Bosh would have to include JR and Nene. I bet you your GM offered K-Mart and JR and out GM countered with JR and Nene and things ended there. Who knows maybe or GM is too greedy and asked for more like the package you just provided: JR + Nene + Lawson

IMHO they should trade Nenê and keep KMart.
KMart's trade value isn't very big, but Nenê's is. And right now KMart is more valuable to the Nuggets than Nenê (at least he's more valuable to the Nuggets than to other teams).
Nenê+JR Smith is probably the best the Nuggets can offer and I think they should to it if they can get Al or Bosh. They should look to aquire a decent SG for their trade exception who can take over JR's minutes (together with Afflalo).
There aren't many decent guards with contracts <3.6M on teams that want to shed salary though...

True. Although I'm confident in Afflalo playing 30 mpg, so it wouldn't be too bad.

Devin Brown. Hornets nearly gave him away already and he's shooting well from three.

RaptorsBoy wrote:Keep Lawson but a trade for Bosh would have to include JR and Nene. I bet you your GM offered K-Mart and JR and out GM countered with JR and Nene and things ended there. Who knows maybe or GM is too greedy and asked for more like the package you just provided: JR + Nene + Lawson

It was most likely Nene plus filler.

This might work?

Bosh for Nene and JR.

Devin Brown and Josh Boone for TPE.

Billups/Lawson
AA/Brown
Bosh/Birdman
Melo/uh..graham, balkman?
Kmart/Boone

Then hopefully Bosh resigns and an impact SG/SF can be had for the MLE in the off season.

Jefferson had a 26 points/26 boards game tonight

If I was the Raptors and I was offered Nene + JR for Bosh I would do it, plus it works financially! What do you guys think? Is it a fair deal for you?

We'd probably have to take back Antoine Wright as well, unless you guys want another Gilbert Arenas situation happening in your locker room.

I wouldn't want Bosh. Nene has been one of my most criticized Nuggets this season but I wouldn't trade Nene for him.

Bosh wouldn't solve our need for a true big man... he is not a legit 7 footer and his defense is so-so.

Nene is maddeningly inconsistent but what is consistent and you can't argue is his defense. He is not a 7 footer, but he is pretty close and most importantly is he's thick, muscular and physical. Sure, if Nene can consistently give us 18 points every night, we'd be legit championship contenders. But replacing Nene with Bosh is not going to solve, again, our "need for a true big man".


The reason why it's called "need for a true big man" because teams like the Lakers get psychological advantage because we're lacking serious size. Every time they look at the paint, KMart and Nene, although both are very good defenders, are not legit 7 footers and teams often take "undersized" lineup as something that has to be exploited. So with this psychological advantage, teams are very motivated to take it to the hole when they play against us. True Birdman is lurking for blocked shots, but you can only block so many attempts, there'd be bound some baskets scored when you persist.

If you were Kevin Durant/ Kobe Bryant/ a great scorer, when you look at our team size, you're encouraged to feast scoring inside the paint. But when you play the Celtics, you look at Perkins and Garnett although you're not discouraged, you're not thinking you're gonna dominate in the paint.


So, although Nene and KMart are very good defenders, we still lack that true big man that breaks opponents' psyche advantage. They look at our undersized lineup, they are ENCOURAGED TO ATTACK THE PAINT, we need to change this.

Trading Nene for Bosh is not going to change this. If anything, it makes the ball movement possibly stagnant with Bosh liking to hold the ball in the post zone where Melo likes to operate. Bosh would be another Allen Iverson all over again. You cannot expect or tell a scorer like him to "just rebound and defend", he'd want to score. And "more offense" is one of the last reasons why we should make a trade when our top reason why we should make a trade is "a need for a true big".

I think a trade centered around JR and NENE would shake Big AL lose from the TWolves.

JR
NENE
M.Allen

for

Big Al
Ryan Gomes
Damian Wilkins
But it doesn't add another big man to the rotation.

SnakefromHell wrote:Trading Nene for Bosh is not going to change this. If anything, it makes the ball movement possibly stagnant with Bosh liking to hold the ball in the post zone where Melo likes to operate. Bosh would be another Allen Iverson all over again. You cannot expect or tell a scorer like him to "just rebound and defend", he'd want to score. And "more offense" is one of the last reasons why we should make a trade when our top reason why we should make a trade is "a need for a true big".

it's funny how i'm with you on so many points lately...

but yea, Bosh isn't our answer.
what we NEED is a big, wide body at least 7ft dedicated to keeping our opponents out of the paint.
someone who doesn't care for scoring. a TRUE defensive big.

Like who?

KidNine wrote:

SnakefromHell wrote:Trading Nene for Bosh is not going to change this. If anything, it makes the ball movement possibly stagnant with Bosh liking to hold the ball in the post zone where Melo likes to operate. Bosh would be another Allen Iverson all over again. You cannot expect or tell a scorer like him to "just rebound and defend", he'd want to score. And "more offense" is one of the last reasons why we should make a trade when our top reason why we should make a trade is "a need for a true big".

it's funny how i'm with you on so many points lately...

but yea, Bosh isn't our answer.
what we NEED is a big, wide body at least 7ft dedicated to keeping our opponents out of the paint.
someone who doesn't care for scoring. a TRUE defensive big.

Yup there's nothing like psychological advantage, sometimes it's more important than the X and Os.

Teams get it through their own winning streak, the opposing team's losing streak/ injuries/ bad luck/ and in our case, the team's size.


What do you do when you know the basketball team you're playing against is undersized and you have height advantage, you get the ball to your big men and go inside. When the chance to win is 50-50, you come to feel like you should win the game.


We can't simply "give" away psychological advantage. They have to earn it. Right now we're giving it to our opponents for basically free to beat us.

You guys are better off with Nene... Bosh wouldn't fit well with Melo..