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Post#161 » by UrbanLegendMD » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:43 am

The only reason I wondered in here is to show my displeasure with ESPN's racist coverage of this. They were all over Barry Bonds bagging on him, but now all of a sudden they are Clemens' vindication machine. "He can use this as motivation to come back stronger next year." STFU! I can think of another thing or two he can use to get stronger and the chemical composition for it is a page long. ESPN proves once again that it will say anything the public wants to hear. In like a month, as people get more pissed off, they will turn around and pretend like they were always critical of the cheater.
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Post#162 » by SportsWorld » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:58 am

NurbekIL wrote:The only reason I wondered in here is to show my displeasure with ESPN's racist coverage of this. They were all over Barry Bonds bagging on him, but now all of a sudden they are Clemens' vindication machine. "He can use this as motivation to come back stronger next year." STFU! I can think of another thing or two he can use to get stronger and the chemical composition for it is a page long. ESPN proves once again that it will say anything the public wants to hear. In like a month, as people get more pissed off, they will turn around and pretend like they were always critical of the cheater.

I can't wait to see what they do with Vina. If Harold Reynolds can be fired for hugging a woman they should fire Vina for his part in the Mitchell Report.
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Post#163 » by Basketball Jesus » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:26 pm

NurbekIL wrote:The only reason I wondered in here is to show my displeasure with ESPN's racist coverage of this. They were all over Barry Bonds bagging on him, but now all of a sudden they are Clemens' vindication machine. "He can use this as motivation to come back stronger next year." STFU! I can think of another thing or two he can use to get stronger and the chemical composition for it is a page long. ESPN proves once again that it will say anything the public wants to hear. In like a month, as people get more pissed off, they will turn around and pretend like they were always critical of the cheater.


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Post#164 » by backer55 » Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:48 pm

I stuck up for Bonds and I'm gonna stick up for Clemens as well.

The stuff is out there guys, players are using it, lots and lots of players!

Using every available avenue to be in the best possible condition to play, is nothing new.

Where is the outrage in NFL players use of HGH??

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Post#165 » by WEFFPIM » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:06 pm

NurbekIL wrote:The only reason I wondered in here is to show my displeasure with ESPN's racist coverage of this. They were all over Barry Bonds bagging on him, but now all of a sudden they are Clemens' vindication machine. "He can use this as motivation to come back stronger next year." STFU! I can think of another thing or two he can use to get stronger and the chemical composition for it is a page long. ESPN proves once again that it will say anything the public wants to hear. In like a month, as people get more pissed off, they will turn around and pretend like they were always critical of the cheater.


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Post#166 » by Ex-hippie » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:17 pm

backer55 wrote:I stuck up for Bonds and I'm gonna stick up for Clemens as well.

The stuff is out there guys, players are using it, lots and lots of players!



So you're criticizing people for singling out the stars? Too much attention has been given to the former MVPs?

Well, you know what they say...

wait for it...

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Post#167 » by backer55 » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:04 am

Hip, i certainly appreciate your ta-hada they fall joke but the rest of your responce...well, i hated this whole investigation from the start. whatever.

Is it the fans fault Baseball has become not what they want it to be, or
is it the players fault that they do what they feel they must just to be, or
is it Selig at fault shirking his duty ignoring the obvious twas plain to see, or
is Mitchell to blame for exposing the same on eighty eight bats were free, or
is the union with dent spewing advice not to comment or help conceivably, or
is it my fault i like the game as it is i don't care what's in the mans pee.

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Post#168 » by 34Celtic » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:03 pm

backer55 wrote:Where is the outrage in NFL players use of HGH??
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Post#169 » by VinnyTheMick » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:36 am

In October of 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported that Roger Clemens was one of the players implicated by Jason Grimsley in a federal affidavit. Clemens denied it at the time and was vindicated yesterday when the affidavit was unsealed and Clemens was not on the list.

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Post#170 » by RaoulDuke79 » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:25 pm

VinnyTheMick wrote:In October of 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported that Roger Clemens was one of the players implicated by Jason Grimsley in a federal affidavit. Clemens denied it at the time and was vindicated yesterday when the affidavit was unsealed and Clemens was not on the list.

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Post#171 » by Ex-hippie » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:08 pm

Fascinating-sounding article in the new Journal of Quantitative Analysis in Sports (Berkeley Press) by Ray C. Fair of Yale. The abstract:

Age effects in baseball are estimated in this paper using a nonlinear fixed-effects regression. The sample consists of all players who have played 10 or more "full-time" years in the major leagues between 1921 and 2004. Quadratic improvement is assumed up to a peak-performance age, which is estimated, and then quadratic decline after that, where the two quadratics need not be the same. Each player has his own constant term. The results show that aging effects are larger for pitchers than for batters and larger for baseball than for track and field, running, and swimming events and for chess. There is some evidence that decline rates in baseball have decreased slightly in the more recent period, but they are still generally larger than those for the other events. There are 18 batters out of the sample of 441 whose performances in the second half of their careers noticeably exceed what the model predicts they should have been. All but 3 of these players played from 1990 on. The estimates from the fixed-effects regressions can also be used to rank players. This ranking differs from the ranking using lifetime averages because it adjusts for the different ages at which players played. It is in effect an age-adjusted ranking.


The 3 who played entirely before 1990: Bob Boone, Dwight Evans and Charlie Gehringer.

The 15 who played after 1990: Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Ken Caminiti, Chili Davis, Steve Finley, Julio Franco, Gary Gaetti, Andres Galarraga, Luis Gonzalez, Mark McGwire, Paul Molitor, Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, B.J. Surhoff, Larry Walker.

I posted this in the Mitchell Report thread for a reason, of course. Discuss.

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