A's trade Swisher to White Sox

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Post#21 » by Sebastian » Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:48 am

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I hear that they made this deal to move Paul Konerko to the Angels for Chone Figgins and a player or two,this way the Sox get the lead off hitter there looking for in Figgins,and Swish can move to 1st base for the Sox.


Although I don't see Figgins repeating his 07 numbers and Konerko's contract looks like an absolute bargain now, even after a subpar year, if it's Figgins plus relief pitching or Figgins + a pitching prospect like Walden (pipe dream?) or Haynes and/or Bell to put a band-aid over our decimated farm system, you gotta do it.

Knowing KW, a Figgins/Konerko swap will somehow leave us with a higher team salary and Aaron Pareda mysteriously missing from our organization.
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Post#22 » by Bleeding Green » Sat Jan 5, 2008 8:19 am

I love Kenny Williams. He's running the White Sox into the ground. Yeah, Nick Swisher will give you the ability to win 72 games instead of 68, but you also just traded away the only two prospects in your system.

Some cold days ahead for the pale hose.

The White Sox may have the worst offense and pitching in the AL. Well, maybe Swisher helps the offense a little bit.
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Post#23 » by Chach » Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:52 pm

Swisher is going to put up a .900 OPS next season. Yeah, I'm going out on the limb. He's moving from one of the most pitcher friendly parks to the biggest HR park in the majors. The only problem is that he isn't going to have anyone on base when he hits a HR or anyone to drive him in after he draws a walk to make a difference on the team. mahalo
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Post#24 » by bigboy1234 » Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:14 pm

^I would predict that too. Swisher is definitely capable of it, that being said, the Sox gave up way to much for him.
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Post#25 » by Sebastian » Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:57 pm

Chach wrote:Swisher is going to put up a .900 OPS next season. Yeah, I'm going out on the limb. He's moving from one of the most pitcher friendly parks to the biggest HR park in the majors. The only problem is that he isn't going to have anyone on base when he hits a HR or anyone to drive him in after he draws a walk to make a difference on the team. mahalo
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I think I said he'd get close to a .950 OPS, so predicting .900 won't make you look as stupid as it does me if he has an average year :pray:

If he hits second, you're right, he won't be driving anyone in, but he'll have Thome, Konerko, and Dye behind him so I imagine he'll score his fair share of runs. Crede, Quentin, and Pierzynski will hit 6-8 and that's not too bad either, depending on what Quentin can do. It's the 9 and 1 spots that'll be tremendously awful and stop a lot of rallies next year. On paper, though, the White Sox actually look like an above-average offense, provided they stay healthy. It's everything else, from the starters to the bullpen to Ozzie, that'll kill any chance they have of competing.
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Post#26 » by Chach » Sat Jan 5, 2008 9:33 pm

Swish's peak would be .950 but he seems to have had a hard time staying healthy for an entire season. And if he ends up playing CF, I think it will be hard to put up anything over .900. If you look at his home/road splits, his power and average are definitely higher on the road but he's not Barry Bonds away from Oakland.

Thome, Konerko, and Dye at their peaks would be a tremendous line-up but I think you've seen the best out of them. I had all three on various fantasy teams last year so I had to follow them. I think Chicago will now have a slightly above average offense depending on how Crede and Quentin perform. I think they are better off playing Swish in CF than moving Konerko and putting him at 1st like one of the rumors on the net is suggesting. mahalo
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Post#27 » by GYBE » Sat Jan 5, 2008 10:36 pm

Moving Konerko makes no sense. By all the White Sox moves lately, they clearly (mistakenly) think they can contend this season. Moving one of their best players for young guys flies in the face of every transaction they've done. It really would signal Kenny Williams has absolutely no idea what he's doing.

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Post#28 » by studcrackers » Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:06 am

Chach wrote:Swish's peak would be .950 but he seems to have had a hard time staying healthy for an entire season. And if he ends up playing CF, I think it will be hard to put up anything over .900. If you look at his home/road splits, his power and average are definitely higher on the road but he's not Barry Bonds away from Oakland.

Thome, Konerko, and Dye at their peaks would be a tremendous line-up but I think you've seen the best out of them. I had all three on various fantasy teams last year so I had to follow them. I think Chicago will now have a slightly above average offense depending on how Crede and Quentin perform. I think they are better off playing Swish in CF than moving Konerko and putting him at 1st like one of the rumors on the net is suggesting. mahalo
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unless you mean getting dinged up he's been perfect healthy the last 2 years, he's only missed 18 games

not sure about his rookie year he played 130 games but that could be b/c he was a rookie
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Post#29 » by Posey H8er » Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:19 am

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I don't know anything about the situation with the White Sox but is Williams on the hot seat? If he is then this is why he's depleting the farm system. Trying to win now and save his own ass instead of doing what's best for the team long term.

Everyone was praising Williams after getting rid of Carlos Lee and bringing in Podsednik and the other deals he made to start the 2005. I don't mean to sound like a North side homer, but I thought he was a bad GM to begin with, and has made horrible deals since. Since 2005 the White Sox have slowly digressed. They still have hell of a lot of talent though, and their lineup looks good on paper but hasn't produced recently.

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Post#30 » by Chach » Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:03 am

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unless you mean getting dinged up he's been perfect healthy the last 2 years, he's only missed 18 games

not sure about his rookie year he played 130 games but that could be b/c he was a rookie


Being able to play everyday is admirable but if you are dinged up and play like crap, you are really hurting the team more than helping. Swisher is in the line-up every day but he gets dinged up, misses a game or two, and then goes into a week long funk. At least that is what i remember from having to watch him on my fantasy team. If he can remain productive and non-dinged for a season, he could possibly hit .950 in Chicago. mahalo
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Post#31 » by Scrub Sura » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:14 pm

GYBE wrote:Moving Konerko makes no sense. By all the White Sox moves lately, they clearly (mistakenly) think they can contend this season. Moving one of their best players for young guys flies in the face of every transaction they've done. It really would signal Kenny Williams has absolutely no idea what he's doing.

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He's working under Plan F: Save My Friggin' Job

I've always thought Williams was(and still is) an overrated GM who caught lighting in a bottle in 2005 and I still stand by that remark.
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Post#32 » by canguy20m » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:24 pm

when he's hot he's really good, if he can become more consistent he can be really good.
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Post#33 » by Chach » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:30 pm

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He's working under Plan F: Save My Friggin' Job

I've always thought Williams was(and still is) an overrated GM who caught lighting in a bottle in 2005 and I still stand by that remark.


He has made some good moves: picking up Jenks, trading for Thome, he's brought in some solid players this season in Quentin and Swisher, but overall he is definitely overrated and he rode the coattails of a out of its mind pitching staff to a World Series victory. mahalo
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Post#34 » by WEFFPIM » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:39 am

So...Drayton McClane took over the White Sox, too? These two teams are eerily similar
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