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Re: OT: Dodgers get Edwin Diaz 

Post#41 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Wed Dec 10, 2025 6:49 pm

Loneshot wrote:
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Loneshot wrote:If the Blue Jays won you wouldn't hear a chirp. People are just envious because they like to pretend parity exists just because everyone gets a fair chance. You can't trust these type of people. They don't want competition, they want WWE storylines about underdogs and the hometown hero. Very delusional.

Or it would just be cool if we develop players that we have a realistic chance of keeping them on a salary. Like the Brewers have done pretty much everything they could do right in developing talent, trading it away at the right time to acquire more young talent. Only thing they havent don't is been able to spend as much on one pitcher that is almost the same as their entire team payroll. They competed as hard as they could, but really didn't have a shot at beating the dodgers. Like I guess if you enjoy watching big-market teams hoard all the talent and make it a 5-team league, cool.


What i enjoy is fans not making excuses for cheap owners and bad GMs who are fine getting their cut off the bottom line while their fans are unaware of the inside job. That's not directed at you, though, because I sort of agree with your sentiment, but even when there is a cap, some teams fail forever; they don't fail because of their market size or spending power, they simply settle for their cut off the leagues profits.

I wish the NBA didn't have a cap, because people would quickly see (if you haven't already) that it takes more than talent and money to win championships. Talent and money can get you regular season success, but when I look at the history of the NBA, the most stacked teams (salary wise) were not the most successful simply because they spent money. Culture is a huge part and I've noticed a lot of teams either don't have a culture at all, or they depend on a single star to uphold the entire franchise.

Like sure, there is more than just spending money, but it is pretty big correlation between spending a lot of money and being good, especially in baseball with a hard cap. You are basically saying they Brewers should have an owner that spends $250m like the Dodgers. It isn't a secret the league with the hardest cap (NFL) has the most parity while the loosest cap (MLB) has the least. The new NBA CBA has leveled the playing field a bit and prevent some super teams through FA.

Maybe the Dodgers have some kind of special culture but it seems like most of their wins are from overpaying or trading for other teams players. They aren't exactly the Thunder or even the Heat that has built talent internally or turning mediocre free agents to contributing players.
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Re: OT: Dodgers get Edwin Diaz 

Post#42 » by Loneshot » Wed Dec 10, 2025 6:52 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Or it would just be cool if we develop players that we have a realistic chance of keeping them on a salary. Like the Brewers have done pretty much everything they could do right in developing talent, trading it away at the right time to acquire more young talent. Only thing they havent don't is been able to spend as much on one pitcher that is almost the same as their entire team payroll. They competed as hard as they could, but really didn't have a shot at beating the dodgers. Like I guess if you enjoy watching big-market teams hoard all the talent and make it a 5-team league, cool.


What i enjoy is fans not making excuses for cheap owners and bad GMs who are fine getting their cut off the bottom line while their fans are unaware of the inside job. That's not directed at you, though, because I sort of agree with your sentiment, but even when there is a cap, some teams fail forever; they don't fail because of their market size or spending power, they simply settle for their cut off the leagues profits.

I wish the NBA didn't have a cap, because people would quickly see (if you haven't already) that it takes more than talent and money to win championships. Talent and money can get you regular season success, but when I look at the history of the NBA, the most stacked teams (salary wise) were not the most successful simply because they spent money. Culture is a huge part and I've noticed a lot of teams either don't have a culture at all, or they depend on a single star to uphold the entire franchise.

Like sure, there is more than just spending money, but it is pretty big correlation between spending a lot of money and being good, especially in baseball with a hard cap. You are basically saying they Brewers should have an owner that spends $250m like the Dodgers. It isn't a secret the league with the hardest cap (NFL) has the most parity while the loosest cap (MLB) has the least. The new NBA CBA has leveled the playing field a bit and prevent some super teams through FA.

Maybe the Dodgers have some kind of special culture but it seems like most of their wins are from overpaying or trading for other teams players. They aren't exactly the Thunder or even the Heat that has built talent internally or turning mediocre free agents to contributing players.
https://www.mlb.com/news/how-the-world-series-teams-were-built-2025


I'm not a big baseball fan so I can only assume chemistry works a lot different. I remember the Yankees would spend but didn't always win. With the NBA, we see that train wrecks occur more often when we assume talent will mesh.
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Re: OT: Dodgers get Edwin Diaz 

Post#43 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Wed Dec 10, 2025 7:39 pm

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I'm not a big baseball fan so I can only assume chemistry works a lot different. I remember the Yankees would spend but didn't always win. With the NBA, we see that train wrecks occur more often when we assume talent will mesh.

Yeah, Yankees in the last 30 years have been to 8 world series winning 5. Dodgers have been to 5 winning 3. Boston 4 and 4.

Like sure they don't win every year but most years a top 5 payroll team will win and usually the same 3-4 teams spending the most money. It's not going to be a 1 for 1 correlation where every year the team with the highest salary wins but probably 1/3, where as a team like Milwaukee with a bottom 15 payroll will never have more than a 1/50 shot at winning even when competent.
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Re: OT: Dodgers get Edwin Diaz 

Post#44 » by Lalouie » Wed Dec 10, 2025 9:26 pm

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JustBuzzin wrote:MLB needs a salary cap. Dodgers just outspending everyone.


NO

spending guarantees nothing. you know that. go ask the yankees

mlb is endemically egalitarian. harvesting/buying the best talent guarantees nothing

everyone preseason thought lad would run away. in fact the dodgers were in the middle of the 10team pack where 10games separated #1 from #10

mlb doesn't NEED an adam silver pushing any buttons to create a fake parity

Nothing is guaranteed but what it does do is give you an unfair advantage than other teams who don’t have the money to spend. That advantage is immense. Did you know like top 10 in spending all made the post season.


but it doesn't matter. what does it matter if a team spends 3x more if the result is the same. or to put it another way. you don't need as much money to build a winner in baseball.
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Re: OT: Dodgers get Edwin Diaz 

Post#45 » by AleksandarN » Wed Dec 10, 2025 9:36 pm

Lalouie wrote:
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Lalouie wrote:
NO

spending guarantees nothing. you know that. go ask the yankees

mlb is endemically egalitarian. harvesting/buying the best talent guarantees nothing

everyone preseason thought lad would run away. in fact the dodgers were in the middle of the 10team pack where 10games separated #1 from #10

mlb doesn't NEED an adam silver pushing any buttons to create a fake parity

Nothing is guaranteed but what it does do is give you an unfair advantage than other teams who don’t have the money to spend. That advantage is immense. Did you know like top 10 in spending all made the post season.


but it doesn't matter. what does it matter if a team spends 3x more if the result is the same. or to put it another way. you don't need as much money to build a winner in baseball.

Actually you do. Spend at least in the top 10.
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Re: OT: Dodgers get Edwin Diaz 

Post#46 » by CS707 » Thu Dec 11, 2025 12:44 am

Ferulci wrote:For the vast majority of us that don't follow Baseball, what would be a fair comparison? OKC getting Bam?


The Warriors adding a 6th man contender the year after signing KD, probably.
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Re: OT: Dodgers get Edwin Diaz 

Post#47 » by Lalouie » Sat Dec 13, 2025 10:13 am

wade44 wrote:Rich get richer… again


the mets owner is worth 23 BILLION DOLLARS.
PLEASE, save it

he didnt want to spend. he shouldnt be an owner

and diaz's brother is on the dodgers

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