Joe Nathan And Twins Agree To Extension

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Post#1 » by Jakespeare » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:17 pm

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Closer Joe Nathan and the Minnesota Twins have agreed to a three-year contract extension, a deal that includes a 2012 club option on the two-time All-Star.

Nathan was in the final year of a contract that called for a $6 million salary in 2008. Several ace relievers around the majors were making far more.

The 33-year-old Nathan has a 1.94 ERA and 160 saves in four seasons since he was acquired from San Francisco. He went 4-2 last year with a 1.88 ERA, 37 saves and 77 strikeouts in 71 2/3 innings.


Nice to see the Twins are able to keep some of their key assets.
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Post#2 » by HCYanks » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:49 pm

They would've been better off dealing him. The Twins have no realistic shot at competing anytime soon, so why are they dropping a significant chunk of their limited payroll into a closer?
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Post#3 » by Jakespeare » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:49 pm

Possibly to send a message to the fans that they are trying to remain competitive so they still come to the games...?
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Post#4 » by HCYanks » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:59 pm

It's not fooling anybody if that's what they're doing.
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Post#5 » by livestrong4ever » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:04 pm

Closers are overated I don't like when teams spend so much money on them.
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Post#6 » by Worm Guts » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:25 pm

HCYanks wrote:They would've been better off dealing him. The Twins have no realistic shot at competing anytime soon, so why are they dropping a significant chunk of their limited payroll into a closer?


The Twins are something like 20 million below last years payroll. And this only makes him more tradeable if the Twins aren't contenders.
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Post#7 » by nykgeneralmanager » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:39 pm

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Post#8 » by HCYanks » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:42 pm

I guess. It just seems to me they would've been best off cashing in on Nathan now while he's at peak value. And i'm generally not a fan of teams throwing big money at their bullpen when they're not contending.
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Post#9 » by A.J. » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:58 pm

imo, that was a bad move...they didnt want to pay tori, didnt want to pay johan, but they want to pay nathan...even though for 3 years he has one of the best closers in mlb, but you hjave to have a lead for your closer to matter
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Post#10 » by horaceworthy » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:35 pm

HCYanks wrote:I guess. It just seems to me they would've been best off cashing in on Nathan now while he's at peak value. And i'm generally not a fan of teams throwing big money at their bullpen when they're not contending.


The value of relievers typically peaks during the season, when teams are jockeying for playoff position, or feel that they're one bullpen guy away from making noise. Any team interested in dealing for Nathan would have had to have given him a deal like this anyway, and if he hadn't been locked up, there would have been the risk that that team would lose him to FA. All the Twins did here was make a gesture to the fans/players during the off-season while making Nathan a little more tradable. I don't expect Nathan to be in Minnesota for the duration of the contract.
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Post#11 » by HCYanks » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:58 am

Eh. Yes, you tend to see relievers on the market around the deadline. But more often than not, they're second and third-tier relievers who are pitching well at the time and on short contracts, so the team that gets them can take them on without a lot of obligation. Nathan's a different animal, IMO. On one hand, he's proven himself in the elite corp of RPs that can perform consistently from year to year. On the other hand, he's getting older and a decline should be coming sooner or later. I don't think the Twins get any more value out of him by giving him a contract.

And resigning Nathan is an awfully weak fan gesture after shipping out your top-level ace for a lackluster package. The Twins' lineup is nothing to write home about and their pitching staff could be a disaster, especially with Liriano's comeback looking grim. Even looking beyond that, the average idiot fan can look at Pat Neshek and see a respectable closer. Good as Nathan is, he shouldn't be convincing anybody the Twins can compete with the Indians and Tigers.
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Post#12 » by hermes » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:06 pm

A.J. wrote:imo, that was a bad move...they didnt want to pay tori, didnt want to pay johan, but they want to pay nathan...even though for 3 years he has one of the best closers in mlb, but you hjave to have a lead for your closer to matter
nathan would have been the cheapest of the three
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Post#13 » by Rafael122 » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:05 am

Casual observer of the Twins, I have no idea why they made this move. They cry poor when its time to talk extensions with Hunter and Santana, but then they fork over this much cash for a closer. I'm a firm believer that you can plug anyone in the closer role and said guy can get 25-30 saves.

Did they extend Mauer yet?
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Post#14 » by Worm Guts » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:31 pm

Mauer signed an extension last year.
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Post#15 » by 34Celtic » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:27 pm

Worm Guts wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



The Twins are something like 20 million below last years payroll. And this only makes him more tradeable if the Twins aren't contenders.


They could've given that money to Johan and gotten some major league ready players for Nathan. Then plugged Neshak or Guerrier into the closer role. They would've been a better team.
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Post#16 » by Worm Guts » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:15 pm

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



They could've given that money to Johan and gotten some major league ready players for Nathan. Then plugged Neshak or Guerrier into the closer role. They would've been a better team.


I won't argue that.
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Post#17 » by horaceworthy » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:23 pm

HCYanks wrote:Eh. Yes, you tend to see relievers on the market around the deadline. But more often than not, they're second and third-tier relievers who are pitching well at the time and on short contracts, so the team that gets them can take them on without a lot of obligation. Nathan's a different animal, IMO. On one hand, he's proven himself in the elite corp of RPs that can perform consistently from year to year. On the other hand, he's getting older and a decline should be coming sooner or later. I don't think the Twins get any more value out of him by giving him a contract.

And resigning Nathan is an awfully weak fan gesture after shipping out your top-level ace for a lackluster package. The Twins' lineup is nothing to write home about and their pitching staff could be a disaster, especially with Liriano's comeback looking grim. Even looking beyond that, the average idiot fan can look at Pat Neshek and see a respectable closer. Good as Nathan is, he shouldn't be convincing anybody the Twins can compete with the Indians and Tigers.


Even if you don't buy that you can get more for a reliever during the season than after it's over, you should be able to go along with the idea that you can get more for an elite player when they're under contract than when they're up for re-negotiation (as shown by the Santana saga). Not only that, but it extends the amount of time that they have to make a decision on dealing him, unlike with Santana.

I'm not saying that it's a strong gesture to the fans standing on it's own, but taking it into account, it was quite likely the most expensive off-season in Twins history, making small signings such as Lamb and Everett, and giving out just over $150 million in extensions to Nathan, Cuddyer and Morneau. It didn't do anything to bring back Johan or Torii, but it did show that they may have learned from their past mistakes by inking Nathan before he priced himself out of Minnesota's range, as Hunter and Santana did. They also aren't backed into the corner of having a rapidly approaching deadline to deal him, as they were with Santana.

I don't think they'll deal Nathan this year, as with their young staff it's important to have a strong bullpen in order to avoid undue stress on their arms and bring some semblance of stability. The average idiot fan may be able to see a sure thing future closer in Neshek, but then the average idiot fan would be ignoring his collapse over the last 3 months of the season, when his ERA ballooned (3.97 in July, 5.06 in August, 6.00 in September) and his strikeout rate decreased. The plan at one point may have been to have him step into the role, but his collapse over the last half of the season threw a monkey wrench into that plan. Nathan isn't convincing anyone the Twins will compete, but the pitching staff needs some stability this year. Now isn't the time to start juggling bullpen roles with the rotation so unsettled.
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