The Offseason Thread: Bobby V to Boston

Wavy Q · Post #21 » by **Wavy Q** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:32 pm

Verlander wins the AL Cy Young

in other news, nobody is surprised

Post #22 » by **Da Schwab** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:10 pm

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/stor ... l-cy-young

Kershaw wins the NL Cy Young pretty convincingly over Doc Halladay. I, personally, would have given it to Doc.

Dr Positivity · Post #23 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:47 pm

Verlander is the AL MVP

It's what I expected. Bautista screwed himself by playing much weaker the second half and losing that big OPS gap over the competition.

Post #24 » by **HCYanks** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:25 pm

Bautista was still far and away the best hitter in the league this year, even with the second half "decline". Even if he kept his numbers at or near his Pre All-Star level, I still tend to doubt he gets it, because a lot of voters refused to consider him on the basis of the Jays not being a playoff team. Yet Ellsbury comes in 2nd behind Verlander despite also not making the postseason.

The BBWAA is terrible, the sky is blue, the grass is green but turning brown. Happy November.

bigboy1234 · Post #25 » by **bigboy1234** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:03 pm

Michael Young finished 8th, with one 1st place vote, one 2nd place vote, one 3rd place vote.

Michael Young finished with the 8th best fWAR and 10th best bWAR on the Rangers this season.

Pharmcat · Post #26 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:58 am

im not sure bout pitchers winning MVPs

i think thats a everyday player award

but whatever

Dr Positivity · Post #27 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:28 pm

Braun wins MVP

looks like they really don't like giving MVP to non playoff guys

trwi7 · Post #28 » by **trwi7** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:47 pm

bigboy1234 wrote:Michael Young finished 8th, with one 1st place vote, one 2nd place vote, one 3rd place vote.

Michael Young finished with the 8th best fWAR and 10th best bWAR on the Rangers this season.

Guess who gave him the 1st place vote? I'll give you a clue, he writes for the Dallas Morning News. J.T. The Brick was ripping Evan Grant on the radio last night for giving him a 1st place vote.

Post #29 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:35 pm

Evan Grant's a moron. He's armond white. A troll.

He left pedroia off the ballot when pedroia won the mvp. Then the Boston radio guys called him up trying to be very civil getting his thoughts, and he just came off as a moron.

With this Michael Young thing now, I'm convinced he's just a giant troll. Trying to get publicity by making dumb votes. Just look at his twitter, he's loving all the attention. How come he gets a vote?

bigboy1234 · Post #30 » by **bigboy1234** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:30 pm

The people that voted him 2nd, 3rd, 4th, hell at all are just as bad. I wonder if the others that voted him top 5 have let it out that they did.

Oh, and Kemp was clearly a better player than Braun this year too. (Waits for Brewers fans to come in and list offensive stats to say it's close and ignore defense, where I'm sure they made fun of Braun's abilities there numerous times this year.) It's sad that in an individualized sport like baseball, that team performance matters at all in giving an individual award. I'm sure Kemp would have rather been on a better team this year too. At least Braun was the 2nd best player in the NL though, so it's not like it's terrible he won it. And of course the great legend of Ryan Howard made the top 10, .835 OPS in a hitters park out of a 1B, doesn't get much better than that...

Post #31 » by **TyCobb** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:21 pm

Yeah, I was super bummed Kemp got robbed of the MVP award. The playoff argument is such garbage.

Post #32 » by **Da Schwab** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:36 am

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/i ... ox-manager

Good for him. Even though I hate the Sawx, I wish Bobby V the best and hope he makes the rivalry interesting again.

bigboy1234 · Post #33 » by **bigboy1234** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:36 am

Make it interesting again? What do they have the 2nd best record in baseball the past decade?

Post #34 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:08 am

Man, it's been so up and down on this guy. They brought in one NY writer who hated him. They brought in Heyman who loves him.

The main heat he got today was that he went to Japan. Dan Shaungnessy really thought that was ridiculous that a manager in the final decisions of if he gets a dream job and the winter meetings a week away, would go to Japan.

I see this as a bridge gap to Farrell, maybe Madden if he were to ever leave. So if he's going to come in here and get these guys into shape for two years or so, I'm a fan.

Post #35 » by **Da Schwab** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:16 am

bigboy1234 wrote:Make it interesting again? What do they have the 2nd best record in baseball the past decade?

I'm talking about from the passion and ferocity standpoint. I feel like the games have been lacking the emotion we were used to in the 99-06 stretch. Bobby V is the type of manager to make some ballsy calls.

Post #36 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:15 pm

Da Schwab wrote:
bigboy1234 wrote:Make it interesting again? What do they have the 2nd best record in baseball the past decade?

I'm talking about from the passion and ferocity standpoint. I feel like the games have been lacking the emotion we were used to in the 99-06 stretch. Bobby V is the type of manager to make some ballsy calls.

The whole point of the rivalry was that Boston were the lovable losers and the Yankees were the Evil Empire. That all went to **** when Boston won 2 World Series last decade, and their payroll is right behind the Yankees. There is no more rivalry. It's done.

Post #37 » by **Da Schwab** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:34 pm

Quick notes...

Padres deal Mat Latos to the Reds for Edinson Volquez, Yonder Alonso and change.

And, the Phils give way too much money to Jimmy Rollins. 3yrs and $33 mil.

Post #38 » by **craig01** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:21 am

Da Schwab wrote:Quick notes...

Padres deal Mat Latos to the Reds for Edinson Volquez, Yonder Alonso and change.

And, the Phils give way too much money to Jimmy Rollins. 3yrs and $33 mil.

Guess that means the Rays will resign Kotchmann.....the rays were after Alonso, but I think the Reds wanted Shields instead of Wade Davis.

Dirty Water · Post #39 » by **Dirty Water** » Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:19 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
Da Schwab wrote:
bigboy1234 wrote:Make it interesting again? What do they have the 2nd best record in baseball the past decade?

I'm talking about from the passion and ferocity standpoint. I feel like the games have been lacking the emotion we were used to in the 99-06 stretch. Bobby V is the type of manager to make some ballsy calls.

The whole point of the rivalry was that Boston were the lovable losers and the Yankees were the Evil Empire. That all went to **** when Boston won 2 World Series last decade, and their payroll is right behind the Yankees. There is no more rivalry. It's done.

So Boston has to continually lose to the Yankees for it to be a rivalry? Yankees fans pre-04 insisted it was never a rivalry then to begin with because of how one-sided it was for so long. You can't have it both ways. In my opinion the definition of a rivalry is you win some you lose some, with lots of drama in between. Sox/Yankees is just that. Once the two meet in the playoffs again it will heat up. Suprisingly they haven't faced each other in the postseason since 2004. The same tiem you claim that the rivalry has ended. It's not "done." It will never be "done." I also hate the notion that people assume no one was a Red Sox fan pre-04. Now all of a sudden they win and all their fans are d-bags. Come on, thats every sport, every city. Just cool it with the hate.

Post #40 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:42 pm

The point I'm trying to make is that there's no storyline hook. There's no Pedro, Don Zimmer, no zingers through the media. It's just the Red Sox and Yankees.