The James Shields deal

[trwi7]

Sano, Arcia, Gibson, Meyer, Hicks, Buxton and possibly May. All of those guys have a chance to be top 100 prospects and their farm system isn't top 5?

[Ado05]

This couldve been a good deal. But they got a guy who will probably leave in 2 years (Shields) and they also got another guy who is good, but he hasnt been good as a starter (Davis). To me, you dont trade a guy like Meyers for that package. People say that Meyers can do what Trout did, and if he does that, the Royals lose this trade unless they actually make the playoffs and win a WS, which is unlikely.

[Quake Griffin]

This couldve been a good deal. But they got a guy who will probably leave in 2 years (Shields) and they also got another guy who is good, but he hasnt been good as a starter (Davis). To me, you dont trade a guy like Meyers for that package. People say that Meyers can do what Trout did, and if he does that, the Royals lose this trade unless they actually make the playoffs and win a WS, which is unlikely.

lose the trade in what sense?

like i said.
only in a myers production v. shields production sense.
u do understand Myers can be awesome for Tampa and this can still be a good move for KC depending on the direction of their organization?? right?

you know for a fact that calling up myers would have won games with for that team with that poverty rotation?
remind me what having johnny damon did for them.
beltran?
remind me of the playoff game Mike Trout played in.

it's a revolving door....suck...bring up good prospects...lose out on the other prospects after their arbitration years.

[Ado05]

lose the trade in what sense?

In the sense that they lose a stud prospect for someone who could only be there for 2 seasons and another guy who is a reliever.

like i said.
only in a myers production v. shields production sense.
u do understand Myers can be awesome for Tampa and this can still be a good move for KC depending on the direction of their organization?? right?

Dont know what you mean in the Meyer vs Shields production
I guess it could be a good move for the Royals organization if Shields stays long term and continues to put up great numbers, and Davis becomes a good starter or an amazing reliever. Dont think any FA would still want to go there. It really depends if they resign Shields. If the dont, its typical of the Royals organization.

you know for a fact that calling up myers would have won games with for that team with that poverty rotation?

For the Royals? No. Like ive said before, people think this guy can do what Trout does, and if he does do that, then KC loses the trade, unless they make the PO or win a WS.

remind me what having johnny damon did for them.
beltran?

For who?

remind me of the playoff game Mike Trout played in.

His team didnt make it. And if you're trying to say that Trout isnt as valueable because he didnt take the Angels in the PO, then I dont what you're doing.

it's a revolving door....suck...bring up good prospects...lose out on the other prospects after their arbitration years.

For the Royals? No. More like, suck, draft good prospect, then let the prospects leave.

[trwi7]

This couldve been a good deal. But they got a guy who will probably leave in 2 years (Shields) and they also got another guy who is good, but he hasnt been good as a starter (Davis). To me, you dont trade a guy like Meyers for that package. People say that Meyers can do what Trout did, and if he does that, the Royals lose this trade unless they actually make the playoffs and win a WS, which is unlikely.

lose the trade in what sense?

like i said.
only in a myers production v. shields production sense.
u do understand Myers can be awesome for Tampa and this can still be a good move for KC depending on the direction of their organization?? right?

you know for a fact that calling up myers would have won games with for that team with that poverty rotation?
remind me what having johnny damon did for them.
beltran?
remind me of the playoff game Mike Trout played in.

it's a revolving door....suck...bring up good prospects...lose out on the other prospects after their arbitration years.

No offense, but you're an idiot.

[Quake Griffin]

lose the trade in what sense?

In the sense that they lose a stud prospect for someone who could only be there for 2 seasons and another guy who is a reliever.

like i said.
only in a myers production v. shields production sense.
u do understand Myers can be awesome for Tampa and this can still be a good move for KC depending on the direction of their organization?? right?

Dont know what you mean in the Meyer vs Shields production
I guess it could be a good move for the Royals organization if Shields stays long term and continues to put up great numbers, and Davis becomes a good starter or an amazing reliever. Dont think any FA would still want to go there. It really depends if they resign Shields. If the dont, its typical of the Royals organization.

you know for a fact that calling up myers would have won games with for that team with that poverty rotation?

For the Royals? No. Like ive said before, people think this guy can do what Trout does, and if he does do that, then KC loses the trade, unless they make the PO or win a WS.

remind me what having johnny damon did for them.
beltran?

For who?

remind me of the playoff game Mike Trout played in.

His team didnt make it. And if you're trying to say that Trout isnt as valueable because he didnt take the Angels in the PO, then I dont what you're doing.

it's a revolving door....suck...bring up good pro

For the Royals? No. More like, suck, draft good prospect, then let the prospect leave.

So why not try to win then?

the culture change for the Royals is more important than the comparison of Myers to Shields.
As fans, we usually measure trades by that factor....Player A vs. Player B.

in this particular trade, that type of comparison misses the mark...it's not about Player A v. Player B....it's about the change in the culture....where the Royals play to win now and stop playing like Pittsburgh Pirates American League, where they're a revolving door....draft good prospects, lose them.


having johnny damon, carlos beltran did nothing for them....what makes u so sure another bat was the answer? their rotation is terrible...that rotation couldn't win games with an all star lineup...sorry bro....getting rid of francoeur and adding Myers would make them winners?...guess we'll never know...but to assume it would have isn't a safe bet imo.

[Ado05]

So why not try to win then?

Because the rest of their roster sucks...

the culture change for the Royals is more important than the comparison of Myers to Shields.
As fans, we usually measure trades by that factor....Player A vs. Player B.

What culture change? If anything, they look worse. They gave up a beast prospect AND more for a guy who is likely to leave in 2 years and a reliever!

in this particular trade, that type of comparison misses the mark...it's not about Player A v. Player B....it's about the change in the culture....where the Royals play to win now...and stop playing like Pittsburgh Pirates American League, where they're a revolving door....draft good prospects, lose them.

No. I dont think people trade for a "change in the culture". Teams make trades to get better, and the Royals did that, but they are still a mediocre team.

having johnny damon, carlos beltran did nothing for them....what makes u so sure another bat was the answer?

Where did I say another bat was the answer? Im just trying to say that the Royals would probably be better off keeping Meyers than getting a pitcher who likely will leave in 2 years and reliever.

their rotation is terrible...that rotation couldn't win games with an all star lineup...sorry bro....getting rid of francoeur and adding Myers would make them winners?...guess we'll never know...but to assume it would have isn't a safe bet imo.

I have said that their rotation is bad. I have never said that Meyers would make this a winning team. He probably wouldnt, but for the long term, or at least until his arb years are up, the Royals wouldve been better off.

In the end, it was an awful trade for the Royals. They gave up an amazing prospect and more, for a pitcher who will likely leave in 2 years and a reliever. And it came at the worst possible time. Dont know why the Royals are trying to make a push now, do they really think they can beat Detroit? If they're not winning the division, then they are not getting in the PO, because they are not even good enough for the 2nd wildcard.

[sunshinekids99]

The bottom line for me is teams should not be trading top of the line prospects for good pitchers. Now if the Royals got a Hamels, Felix, etc then by all means I can understand that move. James Shields is a good pitcher, but he's far from elite.

[Quake Griffin]

The bottom line for me is teams should not be trading top of the line prospects for good pitchers. Now if the Royals got a Hamels, Felix, etc then by all means I can understand that move. James Shields is a good pitcher, but he's far from elite.

ok, i understand.

i just happen to like Shields.
i see where u are with it though.

[GYBE]

My problem with this deal is the Royals gave up 3 top 50 prospects

There's no way Montgomery is a top 50 prospect after his last two seasons. Odorizzi could be, but he's more of a safe pitching prospect with a #3 ceiling than a star in the making.

I still think this deal is bad for the Royals, but the package outside of Myers isn't that noteworthy.

[Quake Griffin]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... wi01.shtml

[El Turco]

^confused by the word prospect

[Greatness]

Not sure why they call him 'Big Game James'. He had a couple good performances in 2008, but otherwise he's been mediocre in the playoffs.

[King4Day]

Guess some crow is being served on this one but at the time I believe the arguments were valid

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[El Turco]

what crow? shields almost played royals out of the playoffs

[Quake Griffin]

what crow? shields almost played royals out of the playoffs

nvm the fact that they had to actually make it there for him to almost play them out of anything.

[sunshinekids99]

Guess some crow is being served on this one but at the time I believe the arguments were valid

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Agreed I'll say I was wrong about the deal for the Royals, its got them in the running for a World Series. Shields has been a good pitcher, but I still don't think he's an ace. The real steal for the Royals was Davis that guy is flat out filthy.

As for Myers he was good his first year and this year he was killed by injuries. I fully expect him to still have a very good career. Odirizzi had a pretty good year for a 24 year old guy.

[King4Day]

what crow? shields almost played royals out of the playoffs

KC is one of 4 teams left. Doubt people thought they'd get this far.

[El Turco]

maybe, not like shields got them there, his performance is that of a 2nd/3rd pitcher in rotation. they could've gotten that type of pitcher without giving up top prospect. davis is the guy that made this a deal for royals, not shields.

[Stanford]

Not sure why they call him 'Big Game James'. He had a couple good performances in 2008, but otherwise he's been mediocre in the playoffs.

They call him that because game sounds similar to James. Plus, that's what ESPN calls him, and that's all you need.