Overrated/Underrated THIS YEAR

trwi7 · Post #21 » by **trwi7** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:33 am

Black Jesus 1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Whaaaaat? I think everyone know a rotation of Gallardo, Bush, Capuano, Suppan, Vargas is mediocre at best.

I agree Vargas and Suppan suck but Capuano has posted ERA's around 4 (it's 5.33 right now) the past 2 years and Bush had a 4.41 ERA with a 1.14 WHIP and was a sleeper this year and he has like a 4.9 ERA.

34Celtic · Post #22 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:14 pm

Nowak008 wrote:hmm 2 pages and no mentioning of Ryan Braun.

Underrated:
Ryan Braun.

On this board? You've gotta be kidding me.

brewcityboii · Post #23 » by **brewcityboii** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:46 pm

Overrated
Clemens-He aint worth the money
Derrick Lee
Underrated
Guthrie
Chris Young

34Celtic · Post #24 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:24 pm

brewcityboii wrote:Overrated
Clemens-He aint worth the money

If anyone is worth that money its him. Hes the best pitcher we may ever see.

brewcityboii · Post #25 » by **brewcityboii** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:38 pm

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If anyone is worth that money its him. Hes the best pitcher we may ever see.

in 1999

I know he is great I am not questioning his amazing career.
But at this point and with him being off the juice he is not worth it and is an overrated pitcher in 2007 IMO

cmaff051 · Post #26 » by **cmaff051** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:40 pm

brewcityboii wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

in 1999

I know he is great I am not questioning his amazing career.
But at this point and with him being off the juice he is not worth it and is an overrated pitcher in 2007 IMO

Yes, he's getting paid far more than he's worth but he'd still be the best pitcher on the Brewers staff (other than Sheets).

Post #27 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:04 pm

Ichiro may be having the best (or second-best) season of his career. Interesting how much value he adds just by moving him to center.

A.J. · Post #28 » by **A.J.** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:16 pm

The only player for the Nats that is underrated is Dmitri Young

brewcityboii · Post #29 » by **brewcityboii** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:22 pm

cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yes, he's getting paid far more than he's worth but he'd still be the best pitcher on the Brewers staff (other than Sheets).

No one is doubting you on that one...at least not me.
But the Brewers pitching staff is garbage.
And Clemens numbers this year are alot worse than they have been for him throughout his career.

34Celtic · Post #30 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:43 pm

brewcityboii wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No one is doubting you on that one...at least not me.
But the Brewers pitching staff is garbage.
And Clemens numbers this year are alot worse than they have been for him throughout his career.

if you have personal beef with Clemens because he ''juiced'' thats for another board. No one around here is saying hes going to win a cy young, but hes hardly pitched poorly this year. And I'd take him in a big game start over any Brewer, including Sheets this year.

HeelSox · Post #31 » by **HeelSox** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:14 pm

brewcityboii wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

in 1999

actually...in 1999 Pedro was better.

Alot better.

Roger posted a 4.60 ERA that year

brewcityboii · Post #32 » by **brewcityboii** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:28 pm

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

if you have personal beef with Clemens because he ''juiced'' thats for another board. No one around here is saying hes going to win a cy young, but hes hardly pitched poorly this year. And I'd take him in a big game start over any Brewer, including Sheets this year.

No personal beef. I love Clemens I think what he has done throughout his career is amazing. I'd take him over any brewer is well I never stated that I wouldn't. I just believe this year he is overrated IMO

34Celtic · Post #33 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:06 pm

How exactly is he rated this year? As a number 2 or 3 starter on a Yankee team that is in the midst of a playoff run? I don't think anyone really believes he is better than that. The reason we gave him so much money is because he was a proven winner who has a great relationship with everyone in that clubhouse.

Jose7 · Post #34 » by **Jose7** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:17 pm

Overrated - Eric GAGne

Underrated - NL Closers

brewcityboii · Post #35 » by **brewcityboii** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:21 pm

HeelSox wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

actually...in 1999 Pedro was better.

Alot better.

Roger posted a 4.60 ERA that year

In 99' Pedro was alot better than everyone.

How exactly is he rated this year? As a number 2 or 3 starter on a Yankee team that is in the midst of a playoff run? I don't think anyone really believes he is better than that. The reason we gave him so much money is because he was a proven winner who has a great relationship with everyone in that clubhouse.

I was under the impression that he was the #1 or #2 on the Yanks.
Of course they are in a playoff run they always are. It would be an absolute disaster if they were not in the playoff chase in august.

I have never doubted Clemens ability to be a great pitcher. I still think he is a great player and he is going to go down as one of the 5 best pitcher's ever to stand on the hill. But the question was "who do you think is overrated this year" I really think people have overrated clemens this year expecting him to come out every outing and give quality starts if not more. I think that is asking a little much of a guy his age and with his amount of wear and tear on his arm. So yes this year Clemens is overrated to what people expect of him and overrated for the fact of the amount of $ he is making. Do I think he will help the Yankees compete for a world series?...Mos Def. Do I think he will be a dominant pitcher come playoff time?...no doubt.

But My point was plain and simple for the amount of $ and just his current makeup I believe he has been overrated by alot of fans/media who are expecting hiom to go out every 5 days and pitch a gem, it's just not going to happen any more at this point in his career IMO.

Post #36 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:25 pm

Wang and Pettitte are the #1 and #2 on the Yankees staff, regardless of Wang's two rough recent outings against Toronto and Baltimore (his two worst outings of his career).

34Celtic · Post #37 » by **34Celtic** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:41 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:Wang and Pettitte are the #1 and #2 on the Yankees staff, regardless of Wang's two rough recent outings against Toronto and Baltimore (his two worst outings of his career).

NYKGM is right here, any Yankee fan would probably say Pettitte is the ace of this staff with Wang #2.

However, I still feel throwing Clemens out there gives us a chance to win 2/3's of the time
/\ Just checked on this, 2/3 of the time this year Roger has given us a chance to win, and by a chance to win I mean a very good start.

livestrong4ever · Post #38 » by **livestrong4ever** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:44 pm

No one has said it yet i think

Overated

alfonso Soriano after the contract he got?

oakfanintheeast · Post #39 » by **oakfanintheeast** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:53 pm

i mentioned soriano.

A.J. · Post #40 » by **A.J.** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:10 pm

overrated

kei igawa's rating on mlb 07 the show