All-Star Game Picks

[ChiBullsFan83]

If Johan doesn't make the team and Nathan does, that's just sad. This is coming from a Twins fan. I'm hoping 4 Twins can get in and they are Hunter, Morneau, Johan and Nathan. Mauer has been injured to much this year for him to get in.

[faria443]

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Hanley has had a better year as well. They're very close in OPS but Hanley has 17 more steals. But I will agree Renteria should make it over Hardy and Rollins.

The steals make it close, but Renteria has a higher average, on base, slugging, more RBIs, same HRs and 8 less errors. Edgar is also much better in the clutch. Plus his team is better.

Another note on Renteria in the clutch, they showed a stat during one of the games that he had the highest average from the 7th inning on with the next best being Jeter. I was trying to find it but I couldn't.

[HCYanks]

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Another note on Renteria in the clutch, they showed a stat during one of the games that he had the highest average from the 7th inning on with the next best being Jeter. I was trying to find it but I couldn't.

Stats that assume the latter 3 innings are somehow more valuable than the first six innings really aren't worth your time. But, Renteria's numbers do have the advantage at the moment.

[GYBE]

All those edges Renteria has in OBP, Slugging, etc. are very small. The only category with any sort of gap is steals, where Hanley excels. I can see why you'd take Edgar, but I would vote for Hanley. Can't go wrong with either.

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Stats that assume the latter 3 innings are somehow more valuable than the first six innings really aren't worth your time. But, Renteria's numbers do have the advantage at the moment.

Renteria has a great average in all innings, but he had the best in the latter 3. That's definitely a worthwhile stat.

All those edges Renteria has in OBP, Slugging, etc. are very small. The only category with any sort of gap is steals, where Hanley excels. I can see why you'd take Edgar, but I would vote for Hanley. Can't go wrong with either.

RISP is a pretty big difference. .333 to .254. Renteria is hitting .341 with runners on, Ramirez is hitting .223. 8 errors and 11 RBIs is also a decent margin.

[HCYanks]

Renteria has a great average in all innings, but he had the best in the latter 3. That's definitely a worthwhile stat.

Production is equally valuable in any inning of the game. Claiming a hitter is "clutch" because he is hitting better in the late innings is fundamentally problematic. Not to mention dividing up stats by inning significantly decreases the sample size.

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Production is equally valuable in any inning of the game. Claiming a hitter is "clutch" because he is hitting better in the late innings is fundamentally problematic. Not to mention dividing up stats by inning significantly decreases the sample size.

So a game-winning shot in the NBA is the same as the opening bucket in your eyes? I was originally basing my clutch statement on RISP and runners on, that stat just added to what I was saying. If a player is leading the league in BA through any 3 innings, that's a noteworthy stat IMO.

[HCYanks]

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So a game-winning shot in the NBA is the same as the opening bucket in your eyes? I was originally basing my clutch statement on RISP and runners on, that stat just added to what I was saying. If a player is leading the league in BA through any 3 innings, that's a noteworthy stat IMO.

You're implying that every late inning at-bat is crucial to the outcome of a baseball game using the NBA analogy. And they aren't; i'm betting that not every Renteria at-bat in the 7th, 8th, or 9th has come in a close game. Basketball and baseball are very different sports anyway. A baseball team can't go on a scoring streak or start to dictate the tempo of a game to get back into it in a short manner of time. The runs you produce in the first inning are as important to the outcome of a game as the ones you produce in the ninth. Sorry to derail your debate, I just have a pet peeve against stats like this.

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You're looking way too much into the stat I posted. I mentioned that stat to add to the fact that Renteria is good in the clutch. That stat certainly helps that argument. As far as your baseball vs. basketball thing, a big inning is similar to a scoring streak. There's really no need to dictate the tempo in baseball considering there's no clock and each team gets the same number of opportunities.

"The runs you produce in the first inning are as important to the outcome of a game as the ones you produce in the ninth."

How is that different than basketball or football?

Anyways, you didn't derail my debate, I made my point just fine. I enjoy the input, though.

[TMU]

How can you snub the former Cy Young winner?
What a rigged league.

[Buck You]

I can't believe the Brewers might actually have an all star starter. This is sco cool.

[Jose7]

John Maine is definitely an all star this year. proved it tonight by outpitching Cole Hamels on his own turf. He's been out pitching his opponent mostly every game anyway.

[sunshinekids99]

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AL-
CA- Ivan Rodriguez
1b- David Ortiz
2b- Placido Polanco
SS- Derek Jeter
3b- Alex Rodriguez
OF- Manny Ramirez Replaced by Magglio Ordonez
OF- Ichiro
OF- Vlad Guerrero

CA- Victor Martinez- Indians
1B- Carlos Pena- Drays
2B- Brian Roberts- Orioles
SS- Orlando Cabrera- Angels
3B- Troy Glaus- Blue Jays
OF- Magglio Ordonez- Tigers Replaced by Manny Ramirez
OF- Gary Sheffield- Tigers
OF- Torii Hunter- Twins
Extra- Kevin Youkilis- Red Sox
Extra- Jorge Posada- Yankees
Extra- Carlos Guillen- Tigers

P- Dan Haren- A's
P- Chad Gaudin- A's- Replaced by Johan Santana
P- Josh Beckett- Red Sox
P- Gil Meche- Royals
P- John Lackey- Angels
P- Kelvim Escobar- Angels- Replaced by CC Sabathia
P- JJ Putz- Mariners
P- Jonathan Papelbon- Red Sox
P- Akinori Otsuka- Rangers
P- Joe Nathan- Twins
P- Francisco Rodriguez- Angels
P- Justin Verlander- Tigers
P- Bobby Jenks- White Sox

Just some minor changes to my last AL All-Star game picks.

[sunshinekids99]

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NL Team
Ca- Russel Martin
1b- Prince Fielder
2b- Chase Utley
SS- Jose Reyes
3b- David Wright
OF- Ken Griffey Jr
OF- Alfonso Soriano
OF- Carlos Beltran

Ca- Bengie Molina- Giants
1b- Albert Pujols- Cards
2b- Orlando Hudson- DBacks
ss- Hanley Ramirez- Marlins
3b- Miguel Cabrera- Marlins
OF- Matt Holliday- Rockies
OF- Adam Dunn- Reds
OF- Eric Byrnes- DBacks
Extra- Dmitri Young- Nationals
Extra- Barry Bonds- Giants
Extra- Edgar Renteria- Braves

P- Jake Peavy- Padres
P- Chris Young- Padres
P- Brad Penny- Dodgers
P- Derek Lowe- Dodgers
P- Ian Snell- Pirates
P- Ben Sheets- Brewers
P- Roy Oswalt- Astros
P- Francisco Cordero- Brewers
P- Trevor Hoffman- Padres
P- Billy Wagner- Mets
P- Brian Fuentes- Rockies Replaced by Jose Valverde- Dbacks
P- Takashi Saito- Dodgers
P- John Maine- Mets
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Only one change for my NL Roster.

[B Mac]

Glad to see you put CC back in finally. When he starts the All-Star game you owe me an apology.

[mets87]

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Reyes is the only one that deserves it over Renteria. And I only say that because of his stolen bases.

oh, and "clutch" hitting doesn't exist. it's complete luck, fyi.

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oh, and "clutch" hitting doesn't exist. it's complete luck, fyi.

What's funny about my post? And after watching the three Braves/Mets series this year, I can understand a Mets fan saying there's no such thing as clutch hitting.

[mets87]

show me how edgar renteria can affect whether or not there's people on base in front of him. it's luck, get over it. this has been known for years by people that have looked at the numbers. it doesn't exist.

[High 5]

Um, what does people being on base have to do with him being clutch? @ "get over it." What do I need to get over? I'm just posting my opinions on a message board.