OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM

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When will woman be hired as HC or GM in NBA

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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#21 » by MotownMadness » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:48 pm

Now someone take Mrs Ford away from the Lions ownership and praise her, build a statue to worship or whatever else makes people excited over this type of stuff, just get her out.
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#22 » by Shock Defeat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:57 pm

Andrew_M08 wrote:Instead of being congratulated for being the most qualified and fit for the job, she'll simply be commended for beingthe first woman in that position.

Being the 1st woman is more rare so why not get commended for that?
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#23 » by Anfernee1 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Congratulations to her! If she can bring a championship to the Marlins, it would be cool
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#24 » by EliteSmarts » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:39 pm

Dzon Dilindzer wrote:
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Dzon Dilindzer wrote:women should know their place

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I know this is sarcastic joke but sarcastic joke gotta be better, at least use old white person and green font for the laughs.

to be fair, whats the point of sarcasm, if everyone knows its sarcasm

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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#25 » by Balllin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:08 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:Being the 1st woman is more rare so why not get commended for that?



the less race, gender or sexuality is part of the conscious decision to hire someone, the better. the real subversive act is to erase these categories rather than reinforcing them by associating black, female or lgbt people with the identity of being victim to privileged white male. being a woman/black/lgbt is not a disability, so people need to stop treating it this way. if being black/female/lgbt is always associated with them being oppressed how will they ever overcome that? if you can only find access to your own identity through the medium of the priviliged white male, you will never subvert him.

this emphasis on her being a woman, really cheapens her achievements, because for all that she has achieved on her own, being born a woman is probably the only that she didn't "achieve", so why focus on that? why make it appear that her promotion is some act of affirmative action handed down by an old white billionaire man?

also, this identity stuff really just obfuscates the true category of social class. especially in a socially darwinist country like the US, coming from a low socio-economic background is probably the biggest predictor when it comes to your professional success. would you rather be born as daughter of a wealthy CEO or as a poor white trash male from some rural area?
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#26 » by Shock Defeat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:40 pm

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Shock Defeat wrote:Being the 1st woman is more rare so why not get commended for that?



the less race, gender or sexuality is part of the conscious decision to hire someone, the better. the real subversive act is to erase these categories rather than reinforcing them by associating black, female or lgbt people with the identity of being victim to privileged white male. being a woman/black/lgbt is not a disability, so people need to stop treating it this way. if being black/female/lgbt is always associated with them being oppressed how will they ever overcome that? if you can only find access to your own identity through the medium of the priviliged white male, you will never subvert him.

this emphasis on her being a woman, really cheapens her achievements, because for all that she has achieved on her own, being born a woman is probably the only that she didn't "achieve", so why focus on that? why make it appear that her promotion is some act of affirmative action handed down by an old white billionaire man?

also, this identity stuff really just obfuscates the true category of social class. especially in a socially darwinist country like the US, coming from a low socio-economic background is probably the biggest predictor when it comes to your professional success. would you rather be born as daughter of a wealthy CEO or as a poor white trash male from some rural area?

Maybe you should ask her what she feels about being commended for being a woman or her accomplishments. You seem to really know what she likes.
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#27 » by RIP Kobe » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:45 pm

if she was the most qualified person for the position, then okay.

if they hired her just because she's a woman and they wanted to tick a box, then not okay.
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Post#28 » by Boneman2 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:46 pm

I have never heard of Kim Ng but I think it is safe to assume that one does not become GM of a franchise without fighting and ultimately winning some fierce battles on the way up. I don't care about gender or race but she obviously had to face and simultaneously conquer a multitude of stereotypes along the way, the fact she is GM says a lot about who she is as a person, an alpha. Nothing but respect.
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Post#29 » by TheDiesel36 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:53 pm

This shouldnt be newsworthy. The true equality will come when women who will be hired for such positions will be analysed, praised and criticized without a thought of their gender or fear of pushback from mainstream media, social media etc. I hope America will get there in the next hundred years. Headlines like this, while true, not a good start. Wish her all the best in her new job.
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#30 » by chrisab123 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:11 pm

Long overdue
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Post#31 » by Balllin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:12 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:Maybe you should ask her what she feels about being commended for being a woman or her accomplishments. You seem to really know what she likes.


that is such a weak straw man argument.
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Post#32 » by SOUL » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:25 pm

Balllin wrote:this emphasis on her being a woman, really cheapens her achievements, because for all that she has achieved on her own, being born a woman is probably the only that she didn't "achieve", so why focus on that? why make it appear that her promotion is some act of affirmative action handed down by an old white billionaire man?


If it's the literal FIRST of its kind, it has to be announced. It shouldn't be the only thing focused on obviously, but it has to be acknowledged. A first NBA championship for a team will be announced, the first kid going to college in your family will be celebrated, asking for something that hasn't been done to be completely ignored is a weird stance to take. I agree if it's literally the ONLY thing people care about, but it's not something to just brush under the rug either.

I'd even argue that most people who are congratulating her for it being an important thing see the accomplishment, realize that it is something important to point out, and get over it very quickly because they know she worked for it and it wasn't just "handed to her". I mean in this thread and the Hammon thread people who did show very misogynistic stances always bring up the "Well if she earned it sure, but if didn't earn it it's just a PR move!" or worse arguments, so regardless if it's announced or not those awful hot takes are going to show up. And kitchen jokes obviously. :roll:
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#33 » by Neutral 123 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:26 pm

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Andrew_M08 wrote:Instead of being congratulated for being the most qualified and fit for the job, she'll simply be commended for beingthe first woman in that position.

Being the 1st woman is more rare so why not get commended for that?

Because it cheapens what she's accomplished. She's put in the work and earned it. In a society obsessed with fake equality, hearing others talking about how Jeter hooked her up or something is not cool and I don't believe it. Her resume is top notch. Let's just wish the new GM who just so happens to be a woman all the best.
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#34 » by SOUL » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:34 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:Because it cheapens what she's accomplished. She's put in the work and earned it. In a society obsessed with fake equality, hearing others talking about how Jeter hooked her up or something is not cool and I don't believe it. Her resume is top notch. Let's just wish the new GM who just so happens to be a woman all the best.


It doesn't cheapen it. This is such a silly argument. Again, why announce anything because of importance if it's the first of its kind anywhere? Ho hum, business as usual.

The argument you're making actually cheapens the worth of it if you're completely dismissing it. As I said, it is SO easy to acknowledge it, celebrate it, and celebrate the work that went into it without making it the ONLY talking point so that female GMs afterward in sports aren't looked at some novelty or luck situation and people won't make a big fuss about it.

Like you even randomly brought up Jeter hooking up with her too when nobody even mentioned that .. I don't get it.
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Post#35 » by xdrta+ » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:42 pm

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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#36 » by Shock Defeat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:11 pm

Balllin wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:Maybe you should ask her what she feels about being commended for being a woman or her accomplishments. You seem to really know what she likes.


that is such a weak straw man argument.

How is it a straw man. She herself may be PROUD that she is the first woman/asian American to be a GM in USA sports. Now you are telling her that she shouldn't be proud of it? Lame.
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#37 » by Shock Defeat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:17 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:
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Andrew_M08 wrote:Instead of being congratulated for being the most qualified and fit for the job, she'll simply be commended for beingthe first woman in that position.

Being the 1st woman is more rare so why not get commended for that?

Because it cheapens what she's accomplished. She's put in the work and earned it. In a society obsessed with fake equality, hearing others talking about how Jeter hooked her up or something is not cool and I don't believe it. Her resume is top notch. Let's just wish the new GM who just so happens to be a woman all the best.

It cheapens her accomplishment according to YOU. That's not what other people think when they hear "1st woman GM". Other people might actually look at her accomplishment as even more special than it is, including her. I'll wait until I hear something from her that indicates that she feels her accomplishment is "cheapened".
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Post#38 » by Balllin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:38 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:How is it a straw man. She herself may be PROUD that she is the first woman/asian American to be a GM in USA sports. Now you are telling her that she shouldn't be proud of it? Lame.


writing proud in all caps, doesn't make it less of a straw man.

her being proud, does not change that reducing and essentialising someone to their gender, race or sexual orientation, which clearly happens here, will never lead to subverting / emancipating from these exact categories. it reaffirms the perceived marginalization of these groups by basically saying "in spite of being female/black/gay/trans/etc", she has achieved this.
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Post#39 » by Balllin » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:42 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:It cheapens her accomplishment according to YOU. That's not what other people think when they hear "1st woman GM". Other people might actually look at her accomplishment as even more special than it is, including her. I'll wait until I hear something from her that indicates that she feels her accomplishment is "cheapened".


you are implicitly saying that being an asian woman makes her inherently less capable of achieving this, which in turn makes it extra remarkable that she has actually pulled it off. it sounds as if you were talking about a mentally disabled person that in spite of their disability has been able to solve a mathematical problem and due to their inherent disability needs extra admiration and acknowledgement for their feat. patronizing much?
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Re: OT: Miami Marlins hire FIRST EVER WOMAN AS GM 

Post#40 » by Shock Defeat » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:54 pm

Balllin wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:It cheapens her accomplishment according to YOU. That's not what other people think when they hear "1st woman GM". Other people might actually look at her accomplishment as even more special than it is, including her. I'll wait until I hear something from her that indicates that she feels her accomplishment is "cheapened".


you are implicitly saying that being an asian woman makes her inherently less capable of achieving this, which in turn makes it extra remarkable that she has actually pulled it off. it sounds as if you were talking about a mentally disabled person that in spite of their disability has been able to solve a mathematical problem and due to their inherent disability needs extra admiration and acknowledgement for their feat. patronizing much?

An asian woman is less capable of achieving this, but not because of anything about her inherently. She is less capable of achieving this because outside systems and people exist to make it hard on her to achieve it. She didn't create the society which makes it hard on her, but she has had to overcome it. So the fact that she did achieve it is commendable.

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