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Relief Pitching

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:35 pm
by Illuminati
Who are the top RP's this season?

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:15 pm
by Bleeding Green
JJ Putz
Takashi Saito
Rafael Soriano
Hideki Okajima
Jonathan Papelbon
Rafael Betancourt
Pat Neshek
Francisco Cordero
Scott Linebrink
Heath Bell

That's in no order outside of J.J. Putz being #1.

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:24 pm
by Posey H8er
^ Cordero scares me more for some reason. He looked dominate vs. Chicago.

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:07 pm
by SportsWorld
Not to be a homer or anything but Carlos Marmol has been lights out all year and has some nasty stuff.
He is 2-0 with an 1.02 ERA in 14 games and 17.2 innings pitched.

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:22 pm
by 34Celtic
Not Jonathan Sanchez

Scott Proctor has been severly overworked

Paplebon, Okajima, Neshak.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:24 am
by Buck You
Francisco Cordero is pretty good.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:57 am
by theyoungweatherman
Casey Janseen with an ERA under 1

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:55 am
by Basketball Jesus
Add Scot Shields to water and stir.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:59 am
by Basketball Jesus
Also: George Sherrill, Brian Fuentes and Billy Wags.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:00 am
by Black Jesus 1
Tony Pena for the D'Backs...LIGHTS out

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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:19 am
by High 5
Rafael Soriano would have a .61 ERA is not for pitching three innings in blow outs. He has given up 11 runs on the year, 9 of them coming in games with at least 7 runs differential. (up 8-0, up 7-0 and tonight down 8-0)

In his other 29.1 innings he has only given up 2 runs. He's 2-0, 5-for-5 in saves and he hasn't given up a lead yet.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:24 am
by 34Celtic
High 5 wrote:Rafael Soriano would have a .61 ERA is not for pitching three innings in blow outs. He has given up 11 runs on the year, 9 of them coming in games with at least 7 runs differential. (up 8-0, up 7-0 and tonight down 8-0)

In his other 29.1 innings he has only given up 2 runs. He's 2-0, 5-for-5 in saves and he hasn't given up a lead yet.


Now this is a stat I like!!!

You pitch a lot differently in games that are close than you do in blowouts. If you're up by that much most of the time your just putting the ball over hoping your d can make plays. In close games you mix your spots and pitches a lot more. Its all about situations

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:44 am
by bigboy1234
The lowest 5 xFIP of relievers with at least 25 IP:

H. Bell
T. Saito
F. Rodriguez
J. Broxton
F. Cordero

BTW, how is 28 K's in 39 IP with a 2.27 ERA lights out?

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:49 pm
by 34Celtic
bigboy1234 wrote:BTW, how is 28 K's in 39 IP with a 2.27 ERA lights out?


What's his WHIP? thats the one stat that should be used to judge relievers. You can't go by ERA because so often relievers come in in the middle of an inning and let inherited runners score. Or they leave and guys get out of their jams, or make it worse.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:40 pm
by sideshowking24
I thought when inherited runners scored, those runs were charged to the pitcher who allowed those runners to get on base, or am I mistaken?

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:43 pm
by bigboy1234
34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



What's his WHIP? thats the one stat that should be used to judge relievers. You can't go by ERA because so often relievers come in in the middle of an inning and let inherited runners score. Or they leave and guys get out of their jams, or make it worse.

Thats why I used xFIP, actually shows how good the pitcher is pitching.

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:23 pm
by 34Celtic
I dont know what xfip is

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:39 pm
by lpsevier
34Celtic wrote:I dont know what xfip is


http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/

Expected Fielding Independent Pitching. This is an experimental stat that adjusts FIP and "normalizes" the home run component. Research has shown that home runs allowed are pretty much a function of fly balls allowed and home park, so xFIP is based on the average number of home runs allowed per outfield fly. Theoretically, this should be a better predictor of a pitcher's future ERA.

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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:45 pm
by 34Celtic
so it doesn't take into affect line drive singles or gap doubles?

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:45 pm
by Basketball Jesus
34C, it