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American League Awards
Most Valuable Player
Magglio Ordonez (Detroit Tigers) - .358 avg, 14 hr, 75 rbi, .437 obp, .593 slg

Next Five Contenders:
1. Alex Rodriguez (New York Yankees) - .310 avg, 31 hr, 87 rbi, .407 obp, .654 slg
2. Gary Sheffield (Detroit Tigers) - .311 avg, 22 hr, 62 rbi, 16 sb, .418 obp, .568 slg
3. Vladimir Guerrero (LA Angels) - .326 avg, 14 hr, 78 rbi, .414 obp, .545 slg
4. Ichiro Suzuki (Seattle Mariners) - .350 avg, 5 hr, 40 rbi, 23 sb, .402 obp, .447 slg
5. Victor Martinez (Cleveland Indians) - .321 avg, 16 hr, 71 rbi, .381 obp, .545 slg

Cy Young
Dan Haren (Oakland Athletics) - 10-3, 2.33 era, 135.1 ip, 104 so, 35 bb

Next Five Contenders:
1. Johan Santana (Minnesota Twins) - 11-6, 2.60 era, 128.0 ip, 133 so, 31 bb
2. Josh Beckett (Boston Red Sox) - 12-3, 3.35 era, 110.0 ip, 100 so, 23 bb
3. Justin Verlander (Detroit Tigers) - 11-3, 3.26 era, 116.0 ip, 103 so, 40 bb
4. J.J. Putz (Seattle Mariners)

Nice work...cant say I disagree too much except with Penny and Peavy....theyre almost too close to call right now.

Pedroia under Delmon Young?

Because he has 6 more homers?

Jeremy Guthrie so low in the AL ROY makes me giggle.

Also, anyone want to tell me how Prince Fielder is better than Chase Utley, other than saying Fielder plays on a better team. Hell I don't even think Fielder has been the best 1st baseman in the NL. But I guess playing on the better team makes you the better player, not sure.

Some fun stats:

Fielder
15 Win Shares
7.1 WARP3
35.2 VORP
.318 EQA

Utley
17 Win Shares
11.2 WARP3
47.2 VORP
.326 EQA

Pujols
16 Win Shares
11.0 WARP3
34.2 VORP
.326 EQA

HeelSox wrote:Pedroia under Delmon Young?

Because he has 6 more homers?

No. Pedroia sees better pitches then Young, day in and day out. Dustin hits in a better lineup and before better hitters, therefore he sees better pitches. Young is ahead of Pedroia in my eyes.

bigboy1234 wrote:Jeremy Guthrie so low in the AL ROY makes me giggle.

Also, anyone want to tell me how Prince Fielder is better than Chase Utley, other than saying Fielder plays on a better team. Hell I don't even think Fielder has been the best 1st baseman in the NL. But I guess playing on the better team makes you the better player, not sure.

Some fun stats:

Fielder
15 Win Shares
7.1 WARP3
35.2 VORP
.318 EQA

Utley
17 Win Shares
11.2 WARP3
47.2 VORP
.326 EQA

Pujols
16 Win Shares
11.0 WARP3
34.2 VORP
.326 EQA

I realize that Prince isn't even the best 1B in the NL (Pujols and Lee for example) but if the Brewers make the playoffs, Prince is one of the few reasons why. Take Prince out of that line-up and they probably aren't even in 1st place or over .500. That's the main basis off of it. Also, Ryan Howard won MVP last year on a non-playoff roster with less impressive numbers than Pujols who played for the world champs. Howard simply had more Home Runs than Pujols and right now Prince is on pace to put up similar Home Run numbers (minus the batting average unless Prince goes on a tear). So, in my eyes, if Prince leads the NL or MLB in Home Runs AND the Brewers win the NL Central, Fielder will win MVP. Otherwise IMO, Matt Holliday will win it. The man is the second best pure hitter in baseball behind Pujols.

Oh and the fact that Prince is only 23 makes is so much better.

Also, Ryan Howard won MVP last year on a non-playoff roster with less impressive numbers than Pujols who played for the world champs. Howard simply had more Home Runs than Pujols and right now Prince is on pace to put up similar Home Run numbers

Good point, I forgot for a second that the voters are idiots.

bigboy1234 wrote:

Also, Ryan Howard won MVP last year on a non-playoff roster with less impressive numbers than Pujols who played for the world champs. Howard simply had more Home Runs than Pujols and right now Prince is on pace to put up similar Home Run numbers

Good point, I forgot for a second that the voters are idiots.

Can't forget that part Bigboy

bigboy1234 wrote:

Also, Ryan Howard won MVP last year on a non-playoff roster with less impressive numbers than Pujols who played for the world champs. Howard simply had more Home Runs than Pujols and right now Prince is on pace to put up similar Home Run numbers

Good point, I forgot for a second that the voters are idiots.

Here's another one for ya...

How infatuated would Major League Baseball be with another 23 year old or younger National League MVP?

Think about it...Here's the names of the players that won NL MVP at 23 or younger...

National League
Dizzy Dean - 1934
Stan Musial - 1943
Willie Mays - 1954
Hank Aaron - 1957
Johnny Bench - 1970

That's a hell of a list...

I think Pujols should have won at age 23 cuz his numbers that year were ridiculous.

Also, if you go age 24 and down you've got some legendary players.

Notable AL MVP at 23: Cal Ripken in 1983

Hey you don't have to convince me in Prince, I love the kid, he's one of my favorite players. I just don't think he's the best player in the NL.

I don't really think Pujols should have won an MVP at 23 though. He was unfortunate that Bonds was an absolute monster 2001-2004.

A good thing for Prince (as for as voting awards goes) is that he isn't a big OBP guy anyway, which I think voters overlook a lot and rather see the big slugger numbers.

Young also has 24 more RBI than Pedroia...thats why.

bigboy1234 wrote:Hey you don't have to convince me in Prince, I love the kid, he's one of my favorite players. I just don't think he's the best player in the NL.

I don't really think Pujols should have won an MVP at 23 though. He was unfortunate that Bonds was an absolute monster 2001-2004.

A good thing for Prince (as for as voting awards goes) is that he isn't a big OBP guy anyway, which I think voters overlook a lot and rather see the big slugger numbers.

Well, I don't think he is either

I mean last year Ryan Howard wasn't the best player in the NL and he still won it over arguably the best player in the NL, Albert Pujols.

I just think he'll win it because of the whole "best player on the best team" thing or something similar. Meaning, if the Brew Crew make the postseason then Prince will win MVP. If the Phillies come back and make the postseason then Utley has a serious shot over Prince.

I just think the voters realized that they made a mistake last year and will make up for it by taking a player from a playoff team. That is all.

i think wagner should be higher then hoffman and possibly saito. guy as been a beast this year.

Just curious but to you guys what makes a pitcher who gets 3 outs in the 9th more valuable than a pitcher who gets 3 outs in the 7th?

For that reason I would go with Matt Guerrier and Ryan Franklin as my relievers of the year. They have the highest VORP for there respective league. Those are the relievers who have been the most valuable this year. Now, if we're going off dominance I would pick Saito and K-Rod/Putz. But Guerrier and Franklin are just getting the job done right now and have helped there teams more in my opinion so far.

Dipset Santana will win the Cy Young Award. Book it.

Here we go with VORP again. The difference between the 7th and 9th is that the game is on the line. It takes big pebbles to get those last three outs. There have been plenty of relievers that can get 3 outs in the 7th but wen forced to close they just cant do it.

celtic you were doing so well and now you've fallen back into letting your eyes deceive you

34Celtic wrote:Here we go with VORP again. The difference between the 7th and 9th is that the game is on the line. It takes big pebbles to get those last three outs. There have been plenty of relievers that can get 3 outs in the 7th but wen forced to close they just cant do it.

Who are the relievers that don't have the pebbles?

Also, I'm not sure but isn't the game on the line throughout the game, not just in the 9th inning?

Hell I'd rather have my best "relievers" pitching earlier in the game then later in the game. That way the team stays in the game, or keeps the lead.

Edit-Also I really don't need VORP to tell me who the most valuable relievers have been so far, but it's always nice to backup your arguement somewhat. Also since Ryan Franklin has been the best in the NL, I need evidence for all the crazy people on this board don't shout "homer" at me.

mets87 wrote:celtic you were doing so well and now you've fallen back into letting your eyes deceive you

This isn't necessarily pointed towards you, but theres a reason why Bill James' closer by comittee didn't work in Boston.

34Celtic wrote:but theres a reason why Bill James' closer by comittee didn't work in Boston.

Yes there is, and I explained it to you already in a post a few months back. (Hint: it has nothing to do with comparing star closers to average relievers.)