Edwar Ramirez
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:03 pm
by 34Celtic
Not sure if any of you guys have heard of him or not. He's a 26 year old rookie reliever on the Yankees. They signed him last year out of an independent league after he was released by the Angels. Apparantly they used strictly stats to find someone to fill out their A league roster. Funny, because stats are one of the reasons I love this kid so much.
Last year in A ball he was 4-1 with a 1.17 ERA and 3 saves in 30.2 IP. But that's not the story. The story is that in those 30+ innings pitched, he had 47 K's and only 6 Walks. thats a 7.8 K/BB ratio, and 13.8 K's/9 IP.
It doesn't end there. This season he only got better. Between AA and AAA he went 3-0 with a 0.62 ERA and 4 saves in 43.1 IP. He struck out 79 and walked 18. HIS K/BB ratio wasn't as good as last year, at 4.4. But his K's/9 IP jumped to 16.4
It gets even better, in his major league debut he struck out Joe Mauer (Reigning AL Batting Champion), struck out Michael Cuddyer, and struck out Justin Morneau (Reigning AL MVP) to end the game.
His next outting he didn't fair as well. He walked one, struck out 1, and let up 1 Earned Run. But he did pick up his first Major League win.
Of course. Joe Torre won't let him pitch and he continues to bring in Kyle Farnsworthless to blow games instead of letting this guy get a chance to prove himself.
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:45 pm
by Basketball Jesus
http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiret ... d_ramirez/
Star-Ledger - If anyone deserves credit for the Yankees' discovery of Edwar Ramirez, it's a computer.
"Statistics found him," Billy Eppler, the team's director of professional scouting, said yesterday.
Ramirez has pitched twice since his July 1 promotion to the Yankees, going 1-0 with a 3.86 ERA.
It was early July last year when the Yankees needed a reliever to fill out their roster at Class-A Tampa.
While Eppler looked for players who had been recently released by other organizations, Troy Caradonna -- the assistant director of baseball operations in the team's Tampa offices
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:46 pm
by Basketball Jesus
Regardless: his minor league numbers
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:17 pm
by 34Celtic
Yeah I know, and watching him pitch you can see why. His change up is absolutly filthy. I mean how many pitchers can say in their first inning in baseball they struck out former batting champ, a former MVP and a guy who will drive in 100 runs this year.
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:40 pm
by nykgeneralmanager
By the way, that story about the Yankees just looking up stats is false. They had scouted him before signing him. It's still a good story of course, but it wasn't like a bunch of computer nerds just checking out stats.
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:43 am
by 34Celtic
nykgeneralmanager wrote:It's still a good story of course, but it wasn't like a bunch of computer nerds just checking out stats.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:57 am
by Jose7
The great Ramirez, walks 2 guys back 2 back and then gives up a grandslam
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edit: what an inning.
4 walks, 3 earned runs, 0 outs recorded
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:08 am
by Abraham Lincoln
[quote="Jose7
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:41 am
by holdupstop23
Abraham Lincoln wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I don't understand. Since when did players become aces/superstars in their first three appearances?
I dunno. Why dont you ask the thread starter.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:10 am
by Abraham Lincoln
holdupstop23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I dunno. Why dont you ask the thread starter.
There are homers and haters in here thrown in. I am neither. The original topic starter is probably a homer and some of the responses are from the so-called haters.
I don't bash the Mets. I want both teams to do well. I've seen you bash the Yankees many times.
My point? He is neither a superstar or a scrub right now. He's just a rookie.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:44 pm
by cmaff051
[quote="Jose7
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:29 pm
by 34Celtic
Abraham Lincoln wrote:There are homers and haters in here thrown in. I am neither. The original topic starter is probably a homer and some of the responses are from the so-called haters.
No...not a homer...I was simply stating facts. I never once said this guy was the next Mariano Rivera or KRod. I brought up a point and said I wish Torre used him more often than Farnsworth. As my boy cmaff said he hadn't pitched in 2 freekin weeks.
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:48 pm
by mets87
i've never seen so many stats in one post by celtic
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:05 pm
by Three34
And not just a grand slam - a grand slam to Dioner Navarro, no less.
Strange times. Very strange times.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:30 am
by The Rondo Show
Looks like the great Edwar Ramirez was sent back to the minors and he took his 15+ ERA, .375 BAA, 3.43 WHIP and 4/5 K/BB with him.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:32 am
by cmaff051
kobeSTOPkobeDONT wrote:Looks like the great Edwar Ramirez was sent back to the minors and he took his 15+ ERA, .375 BAA, 3.43 WHIP and 4/5 K/BB with him.
How many innings was that again? That's what I thought.
I wish some of our relievers could get some of that good luck like seemingly everybody in the Boston bullpen is having... Delcarmen, Snyder, Okajima... is there anybody in that bullpen who isn't performing over their head?
It's alright, Ramirez will be called up in August and strong for the stretch run while the Red Sox bullpen will be in the process of spitting out leads like it does every August.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:40 am
by The Rondo Show
Don't get so defensive, chief. I was just throwing those stats at there as a joke, considering how many Yankee fans were jerking off to the guy after 1 performance (ever read nyyfans.com? LOL. "WE ARE ALL WITNESSES!". Ramirez likely won't be much of an MLB pitcher until he gets another pitch.
His changeup is great, but everybody is going to be sitting on it considering he doesn't have another pitch that is even league average. His control appears to be pretty **** as well based on his minor league stats and big league performance. Take a look at the Chone Figgins AB in his 2nd game. Ramirez really couldn't have made a better pitch, but Figgins (and the rest of the world) knew a changeup was coming...he waited for it and singled up the middle.
If he doesn't develop another pitch or improve that "control" of his, I sure hope he is up in August trying to protect leads for them.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:43 am
by cmaff051
Are you really going to hold a cheap ass Chone Figgins single against Ramirez? He made a good pitch, Figgins just had a cheap hit there. It happens to every pitcher.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:50 am
by The Rondo Show
cmaff051 wrote:Are you really going to hold a cheap ass Chone Figgins single against Ramirez? He made a good pitch, Figgins just had a cheap hit there. It happens to every pitcher.
I agree. He made an excellent pitch there, but when everyone in the world knows what is coming...it isn't that difficult for major leaguers to get hits even if the pitcher makes a good pitch.
He needs an effective 2nd pitch, there's no doubt about it in my mind. If guys know whats coming, they are going to sit on it...and they are going to hit it. Look at Beckett as another example. Last year, his curveball was incredibly inconsistent and everyone sat on his fastball. He has a plus to plus-plus fastball, but the hitters knew what was coming and smoked 36 HR's off him despite having great stuff. This year, his curve has been excellent all year and he has even improved his changeup to the point where he gets lots swings and misses on it and it is possibly a plus pitch instead of the terrible pitch it was last year. The difference? A guy who goes from a 5.00+ ERA to an ace.
You don't agree that Ramirez needs another pitch to be a quality reliever or teams will sit on the cnage, as filthy as it can be? We'll see, I think he does. Very few pitchers get by with only 1 pitch above league average.
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:01 am
by cmaff051
kobeSTOPkobeDONT wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I agree. He made an excellent pitch there, but when everyone in the world knows what is coming...it isn't that difficult for major leaguers to get hits even if the pitcher makes a good pitch.
He needs an effective 2nd pitch, there's no doubt about it in my mind. If guys know whats coming, they are going to sit on it...and they are going to hit it. Look at Beckett as another example. Last year, his curveball was incredibly inconsistent and everyone sat on his fastball. He has a plus to plus-plus fastball, but the hitters knew what was coming and smoked 36 HR's off him despite having great stuff. This year, his curve has been excellent all year and he has even improved his changeup to the point where he gets lots swings and misses on it and it is possibly a plus pitch instead of the terrible pitch it was last year. The difference? A guy who goes from a 5.00+ ERA to an ace.
You don't agree that Ramirez needs another pitch to be a quality reliever or teams will sit on the cnage, as filthy as it can be? We'll see, I think he does. Very few pitchers get by with only 1 pitch above league average.
I think his fastball command is pretty than he showed during his outing against the Devil Rays. By a large margin.
His league average fastball and his plus plus change should be good enough to be an average reliever.
He was absurdly misused by Torre (like usual), I am not going to hold the Devil Ray line against him. He hadn't pitched in 2 weeks.