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Post#1 » by Jose7 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:43 pm

Is this true?

Garner is gone?
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Post#2 » by 34Celtic » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:58 pm

Well its hard to win when you don't have Clemens and Pettitte in town anymore.
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Post#3 » by livestrong4ever » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:05 pm

34Celtic wrote:Well its hard to win when you don't have Clemens and Pettitte in town anymore.


Thats why i picked them to finish last in the central this year.
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Post#4 » by Comet » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:38 pm

Yup, it's true.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... p&c_id=mlb

Astros dismiss Purpura, Garner

Smith, Cooper named replacements on interim basis

By Alyson Footer / MLB.com

Phil Garner went 277-252 in four-plus seasons as the Astros' manager. (Al Behrman/AP)

HOUSTON -- Citing a dissatisfaction with the results put forth by the Houston Astros the last two seasons, club owner Drayton McLane announced on Monday that he dismissed general manager Tim Purpura and manager Phil Garner and replaced them on an interim basis with Tal Smith and Cecil Cooper, respectively.
The team made a formal announcement at an afternoon press conference at Minute Maid Park.

"I felt it was time for a change," McLane said. "Our goals, our objective is to be a champion. I just feel we need a fresh start."

McLane said he met with Purpura following the Astros' 5-4 win over the Pirates on Sunday and informed him of his decision. Monday morning, McLane called Garner and dismissed him as well.

"[Purpura] was disappointed," McLane said. "He certainly wanted to continue, but I felt, for a number of reasons, we needed a new direction, a new configuration. To play with more enthusiasm and to be a champion."

Purpura declined in an e-mail to make any public statements. Garner took the news well, expressing gratitude toward the organization for hiring him in 2004 and giving him a chance to win.

Losing clearly was unacceptable to McLane, who's watched a fair share of often humiliating defeats from his Diamond Club seat right behind home plate. It's difficult to decipher which was the final straw, but the owner did mention several incidents that may have led to his ultimate decision.

McLane made references to the obvious elements, such as the club's poor record this year and the Jason Jennings trade, which clearly did not work in the Astros' favor. But McLane also alluded to the Draft, the player-development system and even Hunter Pence's injury, which was caused by a flawed sliding technique and wasn't corrected during his time in the Minor League system.

"It's a series of things," McLane said. "Being a general manager, the Major League team is the thing that's most obvious. But we have 41 full-time scouts out there and we have player development. It takes a lot of leadership. I talked a lot the last year and this year that I've been disappointed. And I'm disappointed that we have not done better in this homestand."

The Astros were 2-5 against the Nationals and the Pirates to begin the current 10-game homestand. Losing to two sub-.500 teams in a ballpark filled with many empty seats didn't sit well with the owner and surely contributed to his decision.

McLane often roams the stands and converses with fans, who have expressed plenty of dissatisfaction throughout the season. McLane, one of the most sensitive owners in the business in terms of public perception, did not turn a deaf ear to the ticket-buying fanbase.

"This was two years in the process," McLane said. "I've observed things, watched things, talked to literally hundreds of people as I go through. I went through the stands yesterday, and every game. I ask people, 'What do you think?' It's amazing what people will tell you. It's the impact others had on me, over a period of time."

During Jeff Bagwell's uniform retirement ceremony on Sunday, Purpura was roundly booed by the crowd when he was introduced. Did that contribute to McLane's decision?

"I had already made up my mind [to dismiss him]," McLane said. "No one has worked harder for the Houston franchise than Tim Purpura. He's been here 14 years. When you're in charge of player development, you're gone about 80 percent of the time and you're all over the world. Tim worked hard. In the general manager's job, he's worked at it intensely. I was disappointed for Tim and his family. But we have to accept this is a tough game. Winning is what it's about. We had to recognize that."

Smith, the club's president of baseball operations, will serve as GM only until the end of the season, at which time the Astros hope they'll have a permanent GM in place.

Cooper will use the final 31 games as an audition. The Astros will conduct an expansive managerial search when the season ends, and Cooper will be a top candidate to earn a permanent role.

That partly answers the question on everyone's minds Monday: Why now?

"I wanted to get to know Cecil Cooper better, and this is an opportunity for Cecil to show us his leadership," McLane said. "If we made this decision after the season was over and said, 'Well, how's Cecil going to be as manager?' We have 31 more important games. We want to continue to move up."

Garner ends his managerial tenure in Houston with a .524 winning percentage and two postseason appearances. Purpura spent 14 years with the Astros organization, the last three as GM. Prior to that, he was assistant general manager and the director of player development.

"Tim and Gar are good people," Smith said. "They worked hard, they cared very much about the Houston Astros, they care very much about baseball. But as we all recognize, this is a performance-driven industry, results oriented. The record speaks for itself."

And the Astros' record is 58-73, good for fifth place in the NL Central. They're a fraction of a percentage point out of last place.

The Astros will use the last month of the season to evaluate everyone -- Cooper, the coaches and the players, especially the young prospects, some who are already with the Astros and a few who will arrive on Sept. 1, when rosters expand to 40.

"We'll use that time to take a look at young talent in the organization, to prepare for the 2008 season," Smith said. "That's not to say that we're giving up where we are. We don't want to finish last, we don't want to finish next to last. Hopefully, we can make a surge and finish up on a more positive note.

"It's a very important time for the organization from the standpoint of its image, from the standpoint of the young players that we'll be looking forward to in the future to contribute."

Cooper, 57, was the team's bench coach for the past three seasons. He previously served as the bench coach for Milwaukee in 2002 and spent both 2003 and 2004 as the manager of the Triple-A Indianapolis club in the Brewers organization.

Smith, currently Houston's president of baseball operations, is a former Astros GM. The 2007 season is his 50th in the game of baseball. He started his career in the Reds farm department in 1958 and came to Houston in 1960, when he was named assistant to the general manager Gabe Paul for the new National League expansion franchise that would become the Colt .45s.

"There is no one in America that has more experience in leadership and player development and helping develop a successful organization," McLane said, referring to Smith. "He and I will get involved starting tomorrow in trying to do a search, the search that the Commissioner outlined a couple of years ago. Hopefully, by end of the season, we'll have a general manager."


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Post#5 » by meatball sub » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:44 pm

Both are pretty solid changes. Garner, despite the WS run, is not that great of a manager in alot of Astros fan's opinions.

Purpura had not really been THAT bad until this past offseason: Signing Carlos Lee for $100 million, allowing Pettitte to leave and trading 3 pretty decent major league players for Jason Jennings was one of the worst, if not the worst reshaing of a team made this past offseason. Combine that with the deadline trade of Wheeler for Wigginton (which was solid, but made no sense) and it was clear that Purpura didn't know what he was doing anymore. He failed to move players from a sinking ship for prospects.

The Lee signing looks worse because they failed to give $120 million to Beltran yet threw $100 mil at a far inferior overall player. Of course the market was crazy last offseason and Drayton McKlain might have been a driving force behind not paying for Beltran. That's always a possibility, but Purpura should've done a better job with one of the wealthiest owners in baseball no matter how stingy of a bastard he is.
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Post#6 » by A.J. » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:20 pm

We srewed up when we fired Larry Dierker and hired Jimy Williams. Phil Garner is one hell of a coach. I really enjoyed him. But so changes had to be made. As for Tim Purpura,. where do i start. The guy simply sucks as a GM. He has made no attempt to sign pieces in the last 2 offeseasons. And the Jennings for Hirsh, Buchholz, and Taveras will go down as one of the best in MLB history much less the Astros. I would like for them to go after Joe Giradi, Dusty Baker, and any top non-coach in any teams organization. I really dont care what they do with the gm postion. as long as its some one who makes alot of deals to get our team better.
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Post#7 » by 34Celtic » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:44 am

Jimy Williams is a very good manager
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Post#8 » by A.J. » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:53 am

34Celtic wrote:Jimy Williams is a very good manager


:rofl: good joke
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Post#9 » by GYBE » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:58 am

A.J. wrote:I would like for them to go after Joe Giradi, Dusty Baker, and any top non-coach in any teams organization.


As a division rival, I'd love to see Dusty get hired by the Astros. Girardi won't consider the job.

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Post#10 » by A.J. » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:13 am

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As a division rival, I'd love to see Dusty get hired by the Astros. Girardi won't consider the job.

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y u want dusty to take the job.

let me guess. so yall can boo the crap out of him. lol j/p

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Post#11 » by GYBE » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:15 am

Because he's a horrible manager primarily. An added bonus is getting him off TV.

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Post#12 » by A.J. » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:18 am

GYBE wrote:Because he's a horrible manager primarily. An added bonus is getting him off TV.

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he is not a horrible manager. the team he managed just sucked. (the cubs)
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Post#13 » by GYBE » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:59 am

A.J. wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



he is not a horrible manager. the team he managed just sucked. (the cubs)


This is not an argument you're going to win. Unless you can explain how Neifi Perez deserved 572 AB's in 2005, including batting leadoff with a sub .300 OBP.

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Post#14 » by studcrackers » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:58 am

the astros are going to hit rock bottom soon, with an aging team and only a couple legit players and no farm system (outside of troy patton and i think one other person) it could get real bleak for them.
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Post#15 » by risktaker91 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:31 pm

As soon as the Yanks miss the post season, wait for Torre to be fired then sign him.
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Post#16 » by 34Celtic » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:40 pm

risktaker91 wrote:As soon as the Yanks miss the post season, wait for Torre to be fired then sign him.


Torre is old, has enough money....Why would he want to go somewhere he won't win in year one?
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Post#17 » by A.J. » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:50 pm

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Torre is old, has enough money....Why would he want to go somewhere he won't win in year one?


I love Joe Torre but if he wants 3 million a year, just forget it.

I personally want a young and upcoming manager and g.m.

hell, just do what the texans did. hire a young gm and a good assistant coach that has good coaching qualities
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Post#18 » by cmaff051 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:57 pm

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I love Joe Torre but if he wants 3 million a year, just forget it.

I personally want a young and upcoming manager and g.m.

hell, just do what the texans did. hire a young gm and a good assistant coach that has good coaching qualities


Joe makes 7 million a year.
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Post#19 » by A.J. » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:27 pm

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Joe makes 7 million a year.


yeah but if 7 million is alot for us
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Post#20 » by Buck You » Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:46 am

Ned Yost should be available.

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